I voted for Taft. The man got stuck in the tub. Can’t get anymore “average American” than that.
- Steven_Seagull

I voted for McKinley.

Then he got killed in Buffalo, and I've never forgiven the town or their hockey team for it.

seems reasonable. would be curious to know if there has been an impact seen in the states that have decriminalized weed as a starting point.

This solution could be part of multi-point plan. but this still only looks at it from one side.
- Tumbleweed

And IMO, the "other side" needs a socio-economic solution. Crime follows poverty/need. Spend more/better on all youth education and mental health.

My vote goes to the candidate who respects science. Period.

Deny science and I deny you. Simple really.
- GalacticStone

what if it is the science of money?

arrests/convictions are a the band-aid solution that occurs when all else has already failed.

there is an issue that certain communities in american cities are over policed; often predominately black communities.

life can't just keep on going on as is. if people of afraid of police, the system isn't working.

but there needs to be solution that is more than one sided. there are 2 sides to this issue of high incarnation rates among black people. comprehensive solutions need to be developed.

the band-aid solution of defunding the police may address incarceration rates; but will do nothing for crime rates.
- Tumbleweed

First of all, incarnation serves the financial interests of the private prison industry which house the vast majority of prisoners in the US. They have been over represented on every state and federal "policy think group" looking at criminal justice issues for years.

Secondly, I'm sure there are thousands of ideas of what different groups hope to achieve under the ban new of defund and I'm sure many of them are absurd.

At it's core it means (when I've heard thoughtful people describe their objectives) a reallocation of resources within the police budget and from the police budget to other areas that might better achieve community safety objectives.

Some of this is as simple as not having police being the primary responders to mental health crises. They're not trained and their first responses are to apprehend which often has fatal outcomes. Money directed from police budgets to mental health could be useful.

There have to be hundreds of areas that can be reviewed and rethought. If it's done seriously it's the farthest thing from a band aid. Who's to say if any of it will happen or if it will be done properly but changes are needed. Most of what I read suggests that what they did in Camden NJ was effective

And IMO, the "other side" needs a socio-economic solution. Crime follows poverty/need. Spend more/better on all youth education and mental health.
- The Law

I'm a Marxist at heart.

Yeah, racism explains a lot of things, but I'd argue that poverty probably explains it a little better.

(To be clear: racism causes poverty)

First of all, incarnation serves the financial interests of the private prison industry which house the vast majority of prisoners in the US. They have been over represented on every state and federal "policy think group" looking at criminal justice issues for years.

Secondly, I'm sure there are thousands of ideas of what different groups hope to achieve under the ban new of defund and I'm sure many of them are absurd.

At it's core it means (when I've heard thoughtful people describe their objectives) a reallocation of resources within the police budget and from the police budget to other areas that might better achieve community safety objectives.

Some of this is as simple as not having police being the primary responders to mental health crises. They're not trained and their first responses are to apprehend which often has fatal outcomes. Money directed from police budgets to mental health could be useful.

There have to be hundreds of areas that can be reviewed and rethought. If it's done seriously it's the farthest thing from a band aid. Who's to say if any of it will happen or if it will be done properly but changes are needed. Most of what I read suggests that what they did in Camden NJ was effective
- Canada Cup

And you can throw fire services on that pile, too.

They've never faced any scrutiny of their budgets, ever.

And IMO, the "other side" needs a socio-economic solution. Crime follows poverty/need. Spend more/better on all youth education and mental health.
- The Law

seems like a commitment to improve youth education needs to be a pillar in any plan; and that has to come from within the communities.

schools should be teaching kids to look at the world around them but to focus on what they can control/change. a lot of mental health issues are caused or exasperated by anxiety over things you can't control.

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In the words of Alannis Morrissette, woo-ooo, this could get messy...

what if it is the science of money?
- Symba007

Best vote for the Pirate Party if that's your goal.

what if it is the science of money?
- Symba007

I would be fine turning over government to a panel of scientists and engineers. Truth and facts are the answer to most problems.

seems like a commitment to improve youth education needs to be a pillar in any plan; and that has to come from within the communities.

schools should be teaching kids to look at the world around them but to focus on what they can control/change. a lot of mental health issues are caused or exasperated by anxiety over things you can't control.
- Tumbleweed

But it also takes time.

Taking a chunk of a police budget and putting it towards youth services will have an effect over time, but in the short term, you are franked.

Or hey, here's a crazy idea: raise taxes a little and spend the money to make social services adequate.

I would be fine turning over government to a panel of scientists and engineers. Truth and facts are the answer to most problems.
- GalacticStone

Oh frank no.

Not engineers.

I'm a Marxist at heart.

Yeah, racism explains a lot of things, but I'd argue that poverty probably explains it a little better.

(To be clear: racism causes poverty)
- Atomic Wedgie

Poverty drives so many problems (health, poor educational outcomes, incarceration, etc) that in turn reinforce the cycle of poverty. Nothing happens unless you can deal with poverty.

It's just that it gets trickier when all racism or racial inequities permeate all those problems.

Unlike in Canada, these is a huge difference in funding for K-12 schools for black America and white America. Run down the list and you see the same problems for health, etc, etc

https://www.filmsforactio...h/step-inside-the-circle/

I'm a Marxist at heart.

Yeah, racism explains a lot of things, but I'd argue that poverty probably explains it a little better.

(To be clear: racism causes poverty)
- Atomic Wedgie

poor you.
but i'm sure you have plenty of great ideas on how to help the victims of poverty..

First of all, incarnation serves the financial interests of the private prison industry which house the vast majority of prisoners in the US. They have been over represented on every state and federal "policy think group" looking at criminal justice issues for years.

Secondly, I'm sure there are thousands of ideas of what different groups hope to achieve under the ban new of defund and I'm sure many of them are absurd.

At it's core it means (when I've heard thoughtful people describe their objectives) a reallocation of resources within the police budget and from the police budget to other areas that might better achieve community safety objectives.

Some of this is as simple as not having police being the primary responders to mental health crises. They're not trained and their first responses are to apprehend which often has fatal outcomes. Money directed from police budgets to mental health could be useful.

There have to be hundreds of areas that can be reviewed and rethought. If it's done seriously it's the farthest thing from a band aid. Who's to say if any of it will happen or if it will be done properly but changes are needed. Most of what I read suggests that what they did in Camden NJ was effective
- Canada Cup

you lost me on this.

defund the police means defund the police. people are pulling plans out of there asses after the fact. but the end goal is effectively eliminate the police.

you may have some legitimate points - but if it has to be explained to someone that defund ...errr.... doesn't really mean defund; you're not going to win anybody over.

seems like a commitment to improve youth education needs to be a pillar in any plan; and that has to come from within the communities.

schools should be teaching kids to look at the world around them but to focus on what they can control/change. a lot of mental health issues are caused or exasperated by anxiety over things you can't control.
- Tumbleweed

I actually worked on developing Ontario's first poverty strategy back in 2009. It was right after all the early learning investments so the government wanted to highlight that stuff anyway but yeah it was a big focus. Mental health, child tax credit, youth employment, social housing were all pieces. The government put a lot of emphasis on setting targets. I think there were 5 or 6 in this crazy wheel with an overall goal of reducing child poverty. There was even legislation that committed governments to report back every year and to set new goals every five years.

But it also takes time.

Taking a chunk of a police budget and putting it towards youth services will have an effect over time, but in the short term, you are franked.

Or hey, here's a crazy idea: raise taxes a little and spend the money to make social services adequate.
- Atomic Wedgie

For crap sakes man. How much more money do you want from me?

We could raise taxes...or we could enforce current tax laws while simultaneously demanding tat our governments actually use our current tax dollars efficiently before deciding to give them even more.

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- Zezel

you lost me on this.

defund the police means defund the police. people are pulling plans out of there asses after the fact. but the end goal is effectively eliminate the police.

you may have some legitimate points - but if it has to be explained to someone that defund ...errr.... doesn't really mean defund; you're not going to win anybody over.
- Tumbleweed

I'm not trying to win anybody over. I'm not on their City Council. It is a dumb term that fits on a protest sign designed for protesters. Some people want to do that. The closest real life example of what has happened is Camden. Check it out. Obviously, others may try to do something else but this was still the best explanation.

No serious person is saying there won't be anybody on the other end of a 911 call

- AdamFrench

Lol

I actually worked on developing Ontario's first poverty strategy back in 2009. It was right after all the early learning investments so the government wanted to highlight that stuff anyway but yeah it was a big focus. Mental health, child tax credit, youth employment, social housing were all pieces. The government put a lot of emphasis on setting targets. I think there were 5 or 6 in this crazy wheel with an overall goal of reducing child poverty. There was even legislation that committed governments to report back every year and to set new goals every five years.
- Canada Cup

did you see an increase in education levels? I assume you did. what do you think are some of the biggest reasons kids do finish school / improvements made to get more kids to finish school?

- AdamFrench

Lol

I'm not trying to win anybody over. I'm not on their City Council. It is a dumb term that fits on a protest sign designed for protesters. Some people want to do that. The closest real life example of what has happened is Camden. Check it out. Obviously, others may try to do something else but this was still the best explanation.

No serious person is saying there won't be anybody on the other end of a 911 call
- Canada Cup

i have seen camden.

my take on that was the police force was completely corrupted by gangs/mafia, iirc.

seems like there was only one way to go - up - by disbanding that police department and restarting.

i do not necessarily see the gains achieved there translating to most communities. but there may be some that need that.