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joel878
Joined: 06.13.2009

Jul 13 @ 2:20 PM ET
Decades? The guy couldn't answer if he's done it in the last week, month, year and how many times. Someone asked him when was the last time, how many times, and how often do you do this, the guy could not recall. He could still be doing it... Might be his fetish.
- kaptaan


Thoughts and prayers for the severe wet noodle fracture your arm probably received during that reach, further thoughts and prayers to a speedy recovery.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jul 13 @ 2:20 PM ET
Does this mean Canucks are in cap hell? Not sure... Asking for what's his face...
- kaptaan


maybe not until they have to pay EP and qwynn euwes
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jul 13 @ 2:21 PM ET
Tampa's situation is not ideal. I think it's safe to say that Killorn is gone while his stock is high and he only has partial trade protection. He's replaceable with one of our pipeline youngsters on a much smaller contract. So there's $4.45m off the books. He's locked down for 3 more seasons at a reasonable cap hit, so he has some value.

I'd like to see Gourde gone, but nobody wants that contract even if he waives his NTC protection. One or more of the following will have to go : Palat, Johnson. I'd rather keep Palat in a perfect world, but it might be time to move both former members of the Triplets line, maybe as a pair. That would be $5.3m and $5m off the books. Get rid of Gourde (Seattle with a sweetener?) and that's another $5.1m

Luckily for Tampa, they have some good talent in the pipeline at forward. Foote is about ready to step up on D. Schenn, Bogosian, and Shattenkirk come off the books. And only Shattenkirk will be missed of those three.

It's not as dire as it looks, IF one or two guys can be induced to waive their NTC's, which Tampa has a history of doing. Not sure if JB has the same mojo as Steve Yzerman though.

- GalacticStone


Biggest advantage for Tampa is that alot of the assets they'd trade away actually have value.

Just like trading J.T. Miller somehow got them a first rounder, trading Killhorn can bring a decent, cheaper return for them.

Mind you, Leafs have a similar situation where trading guys like Kapanen could bring something interesting.
joel878
Joined: 06.13.2009

Jul 13 @ 2:22 PM ET
Leafs are fine. I think they basically have three options.

Currently they'll have about 4.4 milly and have Mikheyev, Dermott and two 4th liners to re-sign. That'd give them 12 F, 6 D, 1 extra and 2 Goalies.

1. Sign Mikheyev, Dermott and a couple of 4th liners and let it roll. Doubt it can happen for 4.4 or less unless Dermott takes a 1 yr for cheap.

2. Shop one (or more) of the second tier guys (Kapanen, Kerfoot, Johnsson) to free up space for the re-signings and a modest improvement on D. Robertson might be ready to slide into a top 9 role or maybe Engvall.

3. They try to sign or trade for a big target on the blue line. If so then it'll be one of the big 4 that has to get moved.

I'm thinking it's door number 2 all day especially if Robertson is pushing into the lineup.

- The Law


Door #2 please.

It's to good of a year on the UFA market to pass on the opportunity. The cap crunch may lead to a number of guys making their decisions for reasons other than money (Ie, location, state of team, etc.). Could be a great year to fill a long term void without it being a bidding war.

But no to the big home run.
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Jul 13 @ 2:24 PM ET
here is the chart. Most space > worst
TB..in a bad spot..again, I hope no team help them out of it.


- senstroll


Quelle surprise! Most good teams are in cap "hell" and the teams rebuilding are not.
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jul 13 @ 2:25 PM ET
Quelle surprise! Most good teams are in cap "hell" and the teams rebuilding are not.
- The Law


Nice french there bud.
Leafs43
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.16.2010

Jul 13 @ 2:25 PM ET
Biggest advantage for Tampa is that alot of the assets they'd trade away actually have value.

Just like trading J.T. Miller somehow got them a first rounder, trading Killhorn can bring a decent, cheaper return for them.

Mind you, Leafs have a similar situation where trading guys like Kapanen could bring something interesting.

- Scabeh


This is the point a lot of people here are trying to make.

It is the teams who are up against the cap and have bad (unmovable) contracts who are in trouble.

Ya the Leafs and Tampa probably need to move some pieces. But moving them shouldn't be an issue. We don't have any Marleau anchor contracts anymore.

Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Jul 13 @ 2:26 PM ET
Did they anything about spacing, cause all I heard was to keep practicing the social distancing.
- bobbyisno1

Start here:

https://news.ontario.ca/o...dium=email&utm_campaign=o

Then go here:

https://www.ontario.ca/page/reopening-ontario




Leafs43
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.16.2010

Jul 13 @ 2:27 PM ET
Door #2 please.

It's to good of a year on the UFA market to pass on the opportunity. The cap crunch may lead to a number of guys making their decisions for reasons other than money (Ie, location, state of team, etc.). Could be a great year to fill a long term void without it being a bidding war.

But no to the big home run.

- joel878


If Pietrangelo can be signed for an acceptable cap hit, we should really explore that opportunity.

Make the money work later. We need a real defenseman.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jul 13 @ 2:27 PM ET
steve simmons
@simmonssteve
First thought on day one of Leafs training camp: The third line of Kerfoot-Kapanen-Engvall is just good enough to get you beat


well it was a good series, congrats to CBJ
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Jul 13 @ 2:28 PM ET
here is the chart. Most space > worst
TB..in a bad spot..again, I hope no team help them out of it.


- senstroll



Thanks
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Jul 13 @ 2:28 PM ET
Biggest advantage for Tampa is that alot of the assets they'd trade away actually have value.

Just like trading J.T. Miller somehow got them a first rounder, trading Killhorn can bring a decent, cheaper return for them.

Mind you, Leafs have a similar situation where trading guys like Kapanen could bring something interesting.

- Scabeh


That's the nuance. Those teams in "cap hell" are mostly the current challengers. They're supposed to be in a cap crunch when they're trying to win. The nuance ..the real cap hell is which of them have bad contracts that limit their ability to make moves/trades.

Most are in good shape I think. Blues, Tampa, Leafs ...

The team that stands out that's in truly great shape is the B's. (frank) them. Although their elite players are mostly well-over 30 so their window is tightening.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Jul 13 @ 2:29 PM ET
This is the point a lot of people here are trying to make.

It is the teams who are up against the cap and have bad (unmovable) contracts who are in trouble.

Ya the Leafs and Tampa probably need to move some pieces. But moving them shouldn't be an issue. We don't have any Marleau anchor contracts anymore.

- Leafs43

I'm really not so sure about the bolded statement above.

I think you are going to have 29 teams trying to move "good contracts" so they can make more cap space.

Would I take Kerfoot last year? Yeah, probably. Would I this year? Nope - the Kerfoots of the league will be lucky to get $2 million X 2 years.

How many teams are going to want to make these trades? Not many. Less than a handful.

As I said, there will be two types of teams next year:

- those with cap problems
- those with fiscal problems, so they can't use cap room.

I get the feeling this is going to get really weird come November.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Jul 13 @ 2:29 PM ET
$5 million for 9 guys.

Remember: the CBA isn't actually clear on what happens if you are over the cap.

Next year is going to be wacky.

- Atomic Wedgie


Tampa really has to win this summer. Yet I don't hear that much
Leafs43
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.16.2010

Jul 13 @ 2:33 PM ET
I'm really not so sure about the bolded statement above.

I think you are going to have 29 teams trying to move "good contracts" so they can make more cap space.

Would I take Kerfoot last year? Yeah, probably. Would I this year? Nope - the Kerfoots of the league will be lucky to get $2 million X 2 years.

How many teams are going to want to make these trades? Not many. Less than a handful.

As I said, there will be two types of teams next year:

- those with cap problems
- those with fiscal problems, so they can't use cap room.

I get the feeling this is going to get really weird come November.

- Atomic Wedgie


The hope is that teams with fiscal problems will be willing to take guys who have already had a large portion of their salary paid. Kerfoot is owed 8 million over the next three years after his current year signing bonus was paid.

I think that contract is movable to a cash strapped team. They still need to ice a team and hit the cap floor.


bobbyisno1
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm excited to see that
Joined: 08.28.2010

Jul 13 @ 2:34 PM ET
Start here:

https://news.ontario.ca/o...dium=email&utm_campaign=o

Then go here:

https://www.ontario.ca/page/reopening-ontario

- Atomic Wedgie

Alright, thanks.
So the distance between chairs at separate tables is two metres and I can have no more than fifty inside. Thx again.
joel878
Joined: 06.13.2009

Jul 13 @ 2:35 PM ET
If Pietrangelo can be signed for an acceptable cap hit, we should really explore that opportunity.

Make the money work later. We need a real defenseman.

- Leafs43


It's a pass from me, I don't think another big money deal is sustainable. Creates a do or die scenario now, or the core gets stripped away to make the numbers work.
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Jul 13 @ 2:39 PM ET
The hope is that teams with fiscal problems will be willing to take guys who have already had a large portion of their salary paid. Kerfoot is owed 8 million over the next three years after his current year signing bonus was paid.

I think that contract is movable to a cash strapped team. They still need to ice a team and hit the cap floor.

- Leafs43


Dubas front loaded all 3 of those contracts. They'll all average less than 3 milly per season after this year. That'll be cheap if they produce. Kapanen in particular looks like a fiscal bargain for someone.

Leafs43
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.16.2010

Jul 13 @ 2:42 PM ET
It's a pass from me, I don't think another big money deal is sustainable. Creates a do or die scenario now, or the core gets stripped away to make the numbers work.
- joel878


One of the big four forwards would have to go.

But our odds of actually winning something would increase as far as I am concerned.

The other options are to trade for a defenseman (One of the big four would be going the other way for a real defenseman) or to not acquire a top line defenseman at all.

I like signing Pietrangelo for no assets and trading one of the big four for a nice package to restock the prospect pool and keep a steady stream of talent coming over the next 5 years.

bryant
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.28.2011

Jul 13 @ 2:44 PM ET
Take a look at basically any team in the league - we are all screwed.

It's going to be a very interesting November.

- Atomic Wedgie

I have no idea how the cba works but if players have to give 10 percent of their pay back then that 10 percent should come off their cap hit as well.

Leafs would have lots of money.
joel878
Joined: 06.13.2009

Jul 13 @ 2:46 PM ET
One of the big four forwards would have to go.

But our odds of actually winning something would increase as far as I am concerned.

The other options are to trade for a defenseman (One of the big four would be going the other way for a real defenseman) or to not acquire a top line defenseman at all.

I like signing Pietrangelo for no assets and trading one of the big four for a nice package to restock the prospect pool and keep a steady stream of talent coming over the next 5 years.

- Leafs43


I think this UFA crop has a number of solutions which would really balance our blueline, and at a workable number going forward.

Brendan Dillon would be a good partner for Rielly on a sneaky good number.

Hamonic another great option. Brodie, Shattenkirk, Tanev also maybe worth a look. Even Dylan Demelo would be a really good fit on this team at what should be a reasonable number.

I'm not the biggest Torey Krug fan, and he would be a little pricier, but I love the idea of taking him from Boston because (frank) Boston.
drexel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Corn Pop was a bad dude, AB
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 13 @ 2:47 PM ET
A racist incident decades in the past when it wasn't exactly considered racist is a little different than a racist record in the present... But sure.

I am not a JT fan at all, I'd rather have him represent my country than that orange (frank)wit any day.

- joel878

well it should be "incidents" but fine. So you are against the tearing down of statues then?
kaptaan
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Turning a new Leaf, CA
Joined: 09.29.2010

Jul 13 @ 2:49 PM ET
well it should be "incidents" but fine. So you are against the tearing down of statues then?
- drexel

Lol...
kaptaan
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Turning a new Leaf, CA
Joined: 09.29.2010

Jul 13 @ 2:50 PM ET
maybe not until they have to pay EP and qwynn euwes
- senstroll

So they've got a year to figure it out...
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Jul 13 @ 2:51 PM ET
Alright, thanks.
So the distance between chairs at separate tables is two metres and I can have no more than fifty inside. Thx again.

- bobbyisno1

I'm not an expert.

I would imagine you could phone your local health inspector?

The government has to have some sort of hotline or something.
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