The fun thing to do would be to wander into the Islanders' thread and ask for his comparables to Matthews and Marner.

I'm guessing he's 20% more talented, and will be signed for 20% less.

Not picking in Islanders fans here - we are all equally deluded.
- Atomic Wedgie

Basically Leaf players are vastly overrated until contract time comes then they deserve the most $ ever. Then when they sign with the Leafs it's the worst overpay ever

Of course he is.

I bet he has done minutes of google research. MINUTES.

That is so much more research than medical professionals who spend more than half a decade studying, and then spend more time reading peer reviewed medical journals.

We need to petition Max to research Cancer. He could cure that sh!t in a day with his research abilities.
- Leafs43

Islanders are paying almost 30 million for Varlamov/Pageau/Eberel/Nelson/Lee. Christ. That's not including Komorov.

The fun thing to do would be to wander into the Islanders' thread and ask for his comparables to Matthews and Marner.

I'm guessing he's 20% more talented, and will be signed for 20% less.

Not picking in Islanders fans here - we are all equally deluded.
- Atomic Wedgie

Reminds me when Sabres fans would come in here during the Marner negotiations saying Echiel is way better but Marner should get paid more.

I think Barzal would be worth it.

Plus next years 1st round will be a crap shoot. The value on those picks have plummeted.
- Santo_44

I don't watch a lot of Islanders games (none, actually), but I'm not giving up 4 1st round picks for a guy who wasn't a point a game player this year or last.

Yeah, I know he is young, blah blah blah.

It's not a knock on Barzal - it's a recognition that the penalties for signing RFAs were designed to murder any team that does it.

I don't watch a lot of Islanders games (none, actually), but I'm not giving up 4 1st round picks for a guy who wasn't a point a game player this year or last.

Yeah, I know he is young, blah blah blah.

It's not a knock on Barzal - it's a recognition that the penalties for signing RFAs were designed to murder any team that does it.
- Atomic Wedgie

Yeah it's too high but Bergevin does odd things so who knows. Only a dumb organization would do it.
Barzal would have been the 5th or 6th best forward on the Leafs last season.

Ford announcing Ontario moving to Stage III this week.

Apparently Toronto and Peel will be a bit behind again.

Details at 1 pm.

Clean the beer taps, Bobby!

Islander fans will tell you getting cap is easy they can make a trade. toronto though is in cap hell...

I wanted to be cautiously optimistic from day 1, but my assessment the second it went down was Barrie was not a suitable fit. Another offense only dman was not going to ever work, we needed someone who could play the right side and be more relied on defensively.

The idea that he came with zero term was more of a problem to me whether I was right or wrong in that assessment. Shipping off Kadris contract in return for a player with 1 year remaining was the premiere (frank) up unfortunately.
- joel878

I agree, barrie wasnt the right D for the leafs. We had a bunch of offense and no many good defensive players.
But he may have been the best available. Not sure there were many options that fit our bill of quality cheap top 4 d and a 3c.
But cest la vie.
Cant knock every trade out of the park.

Yeah it's too high but Bergevin does odd things so who knows. Only a dumb organization would do it.
Barzal would have been the 5th or 6th best forward on the Leafs last season.
- RogerRoeper

this is so funny.
Barzal is in the same category as Marner. (that means, way way way way ahead of Nylander)

With a flat cap for the next 4-5 years, giving up 1st round picks is suicide.

You need cheap labour.
- Atomic Wedgie

Would make sense to offer an contract like they did to Aho though.

Cap hit of 8 million or something, but huge cash dollars up front for a cash strapped team.

this is so funny.
Barzal is in the same category as Marner. (that means, way way way way ahead of Nylander)
- MaximusAurelius

Barzal has morphed into a guy who puts up less production than Nylander the past 2 years. Trust me on Toronto that would be huge news.

I don't watch a lot of Islanders games (none, actually), but I'm not giving up 4 1st round picks for a guy who wasn't a point a game player this year or last.

Yeah, I know he is young, blah blah blah.

It's not a knock on Barzal - it's a recognition that the penalties for signing RFAs were designed to murder any team that does it.
- Atomic Wedgie

He does play on a defense 1st team, good chance that hurts his point production, if he played for the Leafs he wouldn’t have to come back over the red line.

Barzal has morphed into a guy who puts up less production than Nylander the past 2 years. Trust me on Toronto that would be huge news.
- RogerRoeper

May have something to do with who he has to pass the puck to.

If Marner and Barzal switched places, I imagine Marner's numbers would look alot like Barzals and vice versa.

Barzal has morphed into a guy who puts up less production than Nylander the past 2 years. Trust me on Toronto that would be huge news.
- RogerRoeper

what are you talking about?
Barzal had more points this season and last season than Nylander.

I don't watch a lot of Islanders games (none, actually), but I'm not giving up 4 1st round picks for a guy who wasn't a point a game player this year or last.

Yeah, I know he is young, blah blah blah.

It's not a knock on Barzal - it's a recognition that the penalties for signing RFAs were designed to murder any team that does it.
- Atomic Wedgie

Quick look on Cap Central and the Isles are 10 million over the cap with Ladd and Hickey for 7+ million in the minors and a ton of monies on LTR. They look to be in Cap Hell as well,

May have something to do with who he has to pass the puck to.

If Marner and Barzal switched places, I imagine Marner's numbers would look alot like Barzals and vice versa.
- Leafs43

The total of the Islanders' forwards' salaries (minus Barzal) is around $48 million.

The total of the Leafs' forwards' salaries (minus Marner) is around $42 million.

So it seems to me that the Islanders have surrounded Barzal with a better group of forwards than the Leafs have with Marner.

That logic checks out, no?

I agree, barrie wasnt the right D for the leafs. We had a bunch of offense and no many good defensive players.
But he may have been the best available. Not sure there were many options that fit our bill of quality cheap top 4 d and a 3c.
But cest la vie.
Cant knock every trade out of the park.
- Fakepartofme

I agree with that, more so than anything I blame his timing on that deal. Patience could have made a massive difference. But you are right, can't win them all.

Hoping a UFA market which really fits the teams actual needs means he doesn't have to win any this year. Get the right guy out of free agency on a decent contract and guys like Kerfoot and Johnsson can be moved for a 3C and picks/prospects. Far less risk type deals to navigate.

Quick look on Cap Central and the Isles are 10 million over the cap with Ladd and Hickey for 7+ million in the minors and a ton of monies on LTR. They look to be in Cap Hell as well,
- bixll

For the next five years, there will be two groups of teams:

Teams in cap hell

Teams in fiscal hell, so they won't be able to use their available cap room.

There won't be any teams that are well positioned, with maybe the exception of Detroit.

For the next five years, there will be two groups of teams:

Teams in cap hell

Teams in fiscal hell, so they won't be able to use their available cap room.

There won't be any teams that are well positioned, with maybe the exception of Detroit.
- Atomic Wedgie

I think we see a lot of outside the box trades.

The Leafs and budget teams could be best friends this offseason.

With the Leafs having all their deals being largely paid off compared to their cap hits and willingness to take players for the LTIR.

The total of the Islanders' forwards' salaries (minus Barzal) is around $48 million.

The total of the Leafs' forwards' salaries (minus Marner) is around $42 million.

So it seems to me that the Islanders have surrounded Barzal with a better group of forwards than the Leafs have with Marner.

That logic checks out, no?
- Atomic Wedgie

Looks like we did them a huge solid taking snakes off their hands before they could give him the long term mega deal.

A way to say thanks for taking Kulemin, Grabovski, Komarov, Martin off of ours I guess. 🤷‍♂️

what are you talking about?
Barzal had more points this season and last season than Nylander.
- MaximusAurelius

He had one more point this year (yawn), with 12 less goals.

He had one more point this year (yawn), with 12 less goals.
- Atomic Wedgie

yes, and 35 points more last year.

textbook definition of a guy that morphed into 'putting up less production than nylander'..

yes, and 35 points more last year.

textbook definition of a guy that morphed into 'putting up less production than nylander'..
- MaximusAurelius

Nylander proved last year was an outlier

But whatever

yes, and 35 points more last year.

textbook definition of a guy that morphed into 'putting up less production than nylander'..
- MaximusAurelius

Did Barzal start playing in December to?