Most likely, they would not be in any better position then than they are now. So they would have to run the league under virtually the same conditions. We get the fact you don't like this entire format (and many here don't disagree with you). I'm not trying to tell you how to feel. I'm just saying that regardless of when they restart, whether now or wait a few months to start the next season, the overall product will likely look very similar - Players in a bubble and doing a ton of testing (theoretically taking resources away from the public).
- Chunk

There are several testing devices awaiting FDA approval that will be able to get your test back in 5 minutes, that can test about 20 people at a time. As Taylor said, unfortunately if one tests positive, you have to retest all 20. This will be a game changer for not only sports, but workplace. entertainment, amusement parks and any other social gathering. The only thing better will be the actual vaccine.

But Duffman is right, the rich will have first dibs on the machines (as they have the money to purchase them). The owners will buy the machines and use them for their emloyees and their patrons.

Not that the main stream media has an agenda? As Thomas Mann said, everything is political.

Where do I say we got it under control? My point is we do not have this under control, and all these rules that change daily, show an administration (both federal and local), that are flailing. When asked, Garcetti would not commit (which in his language means no) to arresting anyone who is protesting (and the peaceful part pu forth by the main stream media is a crock) for not wearing a mask. But we close the beaches in 100 degree weather because a few might not social distance. You don't think that people (and don't say MAGA followers in Los Angeles, there aren't any) are saying a big FU, you let people protest and destroy property and they don't have to wear a mask (let alone spend even 10 minutes in jail), but you tell a restaurant owner he can open on July 1 under social distancing rules, on July 3 you tell him he has to close all in dining, and now he has to close for 3 days and it will be reevaluated.

But as far as the NHL (or basketball or baseball) starting preparations to get the leagues going again has ZERO to do with the spike in COVID cases. You are going to tell me that the "peaceful" protesters not wearing masks had nothing to do with the spike in COVID cases/ that is what our governor. mayor and the main stream media want you to believe. Garcetti sort of half relented on that falsehood in his news conference yesterday.
- LAHawk

OK

No big deal, it is only $400M you're generously asking them to give up. $200M each. Then again it isn't your money, so the choice is easy.
- mohel

Yep

In a tweet, Lazerus (The Athletic) says that the Blackhawks are the 3rd youngest team of the 24 "return to play" teams. (CBJ and NYR are younger).

There are several testing devices awaiting FDA approval that will be able to get your test back in 5 minutes, that can test about 20 people at a time. As Taylor said, unfortunately if one tests positive, you have to retest all 20. This will be a game changer for not only sports, but workplace. entertainment, amusement parks and any other social gathering. The only thing better will be the actual vaccine.

But Duffman is right, the rich will have first dibs on the machines (as they have the money to purchase them). The owners will buy the machines and use them for their emloyees and their patrons.
- LAHawk

I don't think they have to retest all 20 - they still have samples from each - they "just" need to reanalyze / reprocess the samples.

I think....

Not that the main stream media has an agenda? As Thomas Mann said, everything is political.

Where do I say we got it under control? My point is we do not have this under control, and all these rules that change daily, show an administration (both federal and local), that are flailing. When asked, Garcetti would not commit (which in his language means no) to arresting anyone who is protesting (and the peaceful part pu forth by the main stream media is a crock) for not wearing a mask. But we close the beaches in 100 degree weather because a few might not social distance. You don't think that people (and don't say MAGA followers in Los Angeles, there aren't any) are saying a big FU, you let people protest and destroy property and they don't have to wear a mask (let alone spend even 10 minutes in jail), but you tell a restaurant owner he can open on July 1 under social distancing rules, on July 3 you tell him he has to close all in dining, and now he has to close for 3 days and it will be reevaluated.

But as far as the NHL (or basketball or baseball) starting preparations to get the leagues going again has ZERO to do with the spike in COVID cases. You are going to tell me that the "peaceful" protesters not wearing masks had nothing to do with the spike in COVID cases/ that is what our governor. mayor and the main stream media want you to believe. Garcetti sort of half relented on that falsehood in his news conference yesterday.
- LAHawk

Well said. The NHL could have started this playoff as soon as testing became widely available. The precautions - the bubble in cities with very little of the illness, combined with no fans - greatly reduce the risk. When you encourage some to gather in large numbers with no precautions, and put restrictions on others, you lose credibility.

In a tweet, Lazerus (The Athletic) says that the Blackhawks are the 3rd youngest team of the 24 "return to play" teams. (CBJ and NYR are younger).
- StLBravesFan

That seems pretty hard to believe based on what our defense is supposed to look like

* Defensemen pairing 1: Duncan Keith — Adam Boqvist
* Defensemen pairing 2: Calvin de Haan — Connor Murphy
* Defensemen pairing 3: Olli Maatta — Slater Koekkoek
* Defensemen pairing 4: Lucas Carlsson — Brent Seabrook

Even though I disagree on the topic, it seems to be a hockey topic to me.
- mohel

Could be .I am sticking to nuts and bolts hockey who playing who not and who we should pick in the up coming draft .With Crow out a 12% chance at number 1 could make it easy /At 10 little more tricky .. # Askarov

In a tweet, Lazerus (The Athletic) says that the Blackhawks are the 3rd youngest team of the 24 "return to play" teams. (CBJ and NYR are younger).
- StLBravesFan

I wonder if that includes Smith, Seabrook or Crow?

Well said. The NHL could have started this playoff as soon as testing became widely available. The precautions - the bubble in cities with very little of the illness, combined with no fans - greatly reduce the risk. When you encourage some to gather in large numbers with no precautions, and put restrictions on others, you lose credibility.
- mohel

They possibly could have started one or two months earlier - games starting June 1, perhaps - but I think they needed time to develop and implement the plan - including which teams continued on, how (home cities? hub bubble cities?), what the health precautions and testing procedures and...would be, getting the hotel and food supply issues straightened out....

Could be .I am sticking to nuts and bolts hockey who playing who not and who we should pick in the up coming draft .With Crow out a 12% chance at number 1 could make it easy /At 10 little more tricky .. # Askarov
- oldduffman

The possibility of the number one pick is causing cognitive dissonance for me.

Hope it is not health related with Crow or that he is totally out of shape right now.

But for sure his agent will have reminded him that he is a UFA in a couple of months and maybe after talking to you decided he didn't need anything to do with a summer pee wee tournament.
- RickJ

and if it is virus related, you might not want to jump back in the bathwater so close after recovery, whether you are in game shape or not.

Many of us including me can easily start putting together conspiracy theories for tanking, and the league thought that chance a play in loser was gonna get the #1 pick was NOT statistically going to happen...surprise...it opened this hornets nest.

When the did lotto drawing one they KNEW exactly which slot that number one winner came from...if it came from team originally slated to select at say #9 (Chicago)...why why why have a second one in eight drawing when only a few teams end with a ststaistal winning % near that slot?

Why not let the play in determine which team statistically drops into winning lost #9...say, it will be the hawks if the lose, or if they win the next worst winning %...

This way the pick goes to someone Arizona (or if not deferred) or Minnesota and not be subject to the on win eight where Winnipeg or Edmonton, or Pittsburgh with their own slot can "win" it.

The fact is the accounting firm knows which slot this winner came from and a covid-19 era play in loss may add a #1 overall to a winning team with an established forward roster where they teams that would slot down where the actual ball came from really need this add...right?

I would suspect they might be cognitive dissonance inside various nhl organizations whether they are saying it or not...

They possibly could have started one or two months earlier - games starting June 1, perhaps - but I think they needed time to develop and implement the plan - including which teams continued on, how (home cities? hub bubble cities?), what the health precautions and testing procedures and...would be, getting the hotel and food supply issues straightened out....
- StLBravesFan

I'll fess up to a bit of Monday morning quarterbacking. And I think labor and management have handled this better than other sports. Good to see.

The possibility of the number one pick is causing cognitive dissonance for me.
- mohel

No kidding

That is factual, I only saw two games, only really paid attention to Championship game.

He was lights out.

We'll see I guess if he can be again, though I guess his injury could hold him back.
- vabeachbear

I believe it was first reported that Lankinen along with Subban and Delia would be given a shot to be the Hawks starter and backup assuming Crawford is truly out. However, I saw updated reports that had Tomkins in instead due to Lankinen's rehabbing timeline for his shoulder surgery.

Tomkins and Lankinen are still the taxi squad goalies but Tomkins may be the one with the leg up while Lankinen is being eased in and likely the 4th string behind Crawford.

Not that the main stream media has an agenda? As Thomas Mann said, everything is political.

Where do I say we got it under control? My point is we do not have this under control, and all these rules that change daily, show an administration (both federal and local), that are flailing. When asked, Garcetti would not commit (which in his language means no) to arresting anyone who is protesting (and the peaceful part pu forth by the main stream media is a crock) for not wearing a mask. But we close the beaches in 100 degree weather because a few might not social distance. You don't think that people (and don't say MAGA followers in Los Angeles, there aren't any) are saying a big FU, you let people protest and destroy property and they don't have to wear a mask (let alone spend even 10 minutes in jail), but you tell a restaurant owner he can open on July 1 under social distancing rules, on July 3 you tell him he has to close all in dining, and now he has to close for 3 days and it will be reevaluated.

But as far as the NHL (or basketball or baseball) starting preparations to get the leagues going again has ZERO to do with the spike in COVID cases. You are going to tell me that the "peaceful" protesters not wearing masks had nothing to do with the spike in COVID cases/ that is what our governor. mayor and the main stream media want you to believe. Garcetti sort of half relented on that falsehood in his news conference yesterday.
- LAHawk

Honestly i can understand why they didn't incite the protesters anymore. The protests are the reason we are going to have a spike, so is 4th of July holiday, but mainly because people are in denial. Politicians can't do anything right today. I have several police officer friends and they have showed me pictures of poop you wouldn't believe, but thinking it's just the protesters are the problem in this, the protesters who protest the protesters are just as big a problem.

In a tweet, Lazerus (The Athletic) says that the Blackhawks are the 3rd youngest team of the 24 "return to play" teams. (CBJ and NYR are younger).
- StLBravesFan

I hope they play the kids in the tournament I would like to see Hagel get a shot . I also hope they give the starting job to Subban if Crow is a no show . May as well see what we have there . J.C. seems not to be a big fan of Subban

Honestly i can understand why they didn't incite the protesters anymore. The protests are the reason we are going to have a spike, so is 4th of July holiday, but mainly because people are in denial. Politicians can't do anything right today. I have several police officer friends and they have showed me pictures of poop you wouldn't believe, but thinking it's just the protesters are the problem in this, the protesters who protest the protesters are just as big a problem.
- BetweenTheDots

Either the virus spreads when people are close to one another, or it doesn't. If it is safe to protest or riot, it should be safe to go to religious services or to a hockey game. If it is unsafe to do the latter, it is unsafe to do the former.

I hope they play the kids in the tournament I would like to see Hagel get a shot . I also hope they give the starting job to Subban if Crow is a no show . May as well see what we have there . J.C. seems not to be a big fan of Subban
- oldduffman

I hear JC loves Russian goalies.

I hear JC loves Russian goalies.
- mohel

Hey that sounds good . Truth be told young Russian Goalies have been coming over and playing very well the last few years .

Either the virus spreads when people are close to one another, or it doesn't. If it is safe to protest or riot, it should be safe to go to religious services or to a hockey game. If it is unsafe to do the latter, it is unsafe to do the former.
- mohel

Who are you going to blame for starting this?

Can't be me....

Blackhawks are back on the ice.

Holy moly... hockey... 2 days in a row?

https://twitter.com/BySco...tatus/1283069893584326657

...

de Haan and Hagel out today so Kurashev and Beaudin move up to the first squad.

Yes I think I have been harping on this far to long I am done .I will stick to hockey related topics .And keep a critical eye on this up coming tournament . Thanks Chuck you are a voice of reason on this board .
- oldduffman

If true, we are all in trouble.

It's all good, and it is a hockey related topic. We simply see the issue differently. You are very concerned about the health crisis, how the league restarting affects testing, and I assume the tradition and history of a normal cup run. Those aren't bad things to stand behind. I just try to take the whole picture into account (viability of the league going forward, actually playing sports in the current pandemic landscape, etc). By no means, am I asserting that I am right, just that "these are the other factors that I am taking into account".

Cheers Duff!

I hear JC loves Russian goalies.
- mohel

To go with his 7 d-man strategy and his beer league approach of "next man up"?

Blackhawks are back on the ice.

Holy moly... hockey... 2 days in a row?

https://twitter.com/BySco...tatus/1283069893584326657

...

de Haan and Hagel out today so Kurashev and Beaudin move up to the first squad.
- Tyler Cameron

Can't handle one bag skate... bum. Stanfail.