Andersen isn't old, but he isn't getting any younger either. Who do the Leafs have in the pipeline behind him?

When he comes due, I'd offer him 3-4 years max. Anything beyond that is really rolling the dice.
- GalacticStone

Good thing Van has Louongo locked up for 3 more years. FFS.

This. Very much this. Leafs should be able to take advantage of the situation.
- mjones242

Secretly buy the Hurricane and start trading

The media fear-mongering will start soon with Andersen and Rielly. The media will claim Leafs need to do what never works with teams in regards to signing an aging goalie long-term.
- RogerRoeper

Its just you bahd.

"THE GREAT WOLL OF TORONTO"
- RogerRoeper

You can sign Woll to a max contract and Mexico will pay for it.

You can sign Woll to a max contract and the new Mexico City NHL franchise will pay for it.
- GalacticStone

corrected

"WOLL TO WALL"
- RogerRoeper

To the wiiiiiindooooooow to the WOLLLLLLLL to the WOLLLL. 'Til the sweat drips down his...eh you know.

Every team except Ottawa is going to have it tough from here on out.

If they had a real owner, they'd be in a position to do something with that bucket of high picks and tons of cap space. On the other hand, it's Melnyk and no decent UFA would want to go anywhere near that tire fire.
- GalacticStone

Which leads me to believe that UFAs are going to be signing contracts at 3 years max.

Most teams won't want to add long-term contracts, and most players will realize they are better off taking a short-term deal and hoping the landscape is changed in three years.

Remember: salary cap is now based upon revenues from 2 years prior - so even if a miracle vaccine is rolled out in March, cap won't go up until 2023-24.

That's a grim reality for a lot of players.

The issue is the majority of the NHL is right with the Leafs at the cap max and no one ever reports that. It also doesn't account for the possible lowering of teams caps due to COVID.
- RogerRoeper

Oh ffs.
About 13 (including leafs) teams are in negative cap space with the leafs. About 5 or so are over 1.5m in negative cap including the leafs.
The leafs are -13.4m and the next closest team are the coyotes with -3.5m.
The other 18 teams have positive cap space with 14 of them having over a million in cap space.

So no, most of the league is not in as much of a cap crunch as the leafs.
Tampa has just over a million, montreal 4.5.

Every team except Ottawa is going to have it tough from here on out.

If they had a real owner, they'd be in a position to do something with that bucket of high picks and tons of cap space. On the other hand, it's Melnyk and no decent UFA would want to go anywhere near that tire fire.
- GalacticStone

14 teams have 1m plus in cap space. So cap wise they should be ok.
Mind some teams have more players to sign.

Oh ffs.
About 13 (including leafs) teams are in negative cap space with the leafs. About 5 or so are over 1.5m in negative cap including the leafs.
The leafs are -13.4m and the next closest team are the coyotes with -3.5m.
The other 18 teams have positive cap space with 14 of them having over a million in cap space.

So no, most of the league is not in as much of a cap crunch as the leafs.
Tampa has just over a million, montreal 4.5.
- Fakepartofme

What does -13.4 mean?

Oh ffs.
About 13 (including leafs) teams are in negative cap space with the leafs. About 5 or so are over 1.5m in negative cap including the leafs.
The leafs are -13.4m and the next closest team are the coyotes with -3.5m.
The other 18 teams have positive cap space with 14 of them having over a million in cap space.

So no, most of the league is not in as much of a cap crunch as the leafs.
Tampa has just over a million, montreal 4.5.
- Fakepartofme

Yes, but no.

Over $10.5M coming off that at end of this season (Clarkson and Horton).

Take another $1.1M off in salary retained for Lehner.

Take another $4.5M off for Ceci.

What does -13.4 mean?
- Canada Cup

Negative cap space. Over the cap by 13.4million litr

14 teams have 1m plus in cap space. So cap wise they should be ok.
Mind some teams have more players to sign.
- Fakepartofme

Cap space in 2019-20 means absolutely nothing.

Gotta look to years out.

Yes, but no.

Over $10.5M coming off that at end of this season (Clarkson and Horton).

Take another $1.1M off in salary retained for Lehner.

Take another $4.5M off for Ceci.
- Atomic Wedgie

Yes.
Will also still have 1.2 for kessel.
So for 20/21 they'll have 4.5m is cap available but only 35/50 standard player contracts.
So its tight.
Minimum salary will be about 715 per.

Cap space in 2019-20 means absolutely nothing.

Gotta look to years out.
- Atomic Wedgie

Even 20/21 doesnt look great.
21/22 looks to be about 13m in cap space with only 22 contracts.
Point is, its very tight for the leafs more so than most other teams. Which is why the toronto media talk about the toronto team's cap space so much.

Kevin Hayes a good contract. ROTFL. magine the feeling if Dubas signed that. 1 50 point season by age 28 and he gets 7 years, 7.15 per...

Dubas got destroyed for signing a 22 year-old that never had less than 61 points in a full season for his prime years at 6.9
- RogerRoeper

Hayes contract is horrible. But I don’t believe most fans think Nylander’s contract was terrible. Those contracts came afterwards. Dubas was so scarred from the Nylander negotiations that he basically opened the vault for Tavares, Mathews and Marner. Hence the severe cap issues. Although that is assuming you believe there are any issues so wise.

Tampa is F-ed.

Sergachev, Cirelli, and Cernak all need new contracts and have about $5m in cap space (haven't checked for exact number, but it's not good).

Sergachev is probably going to want $6m, so.....

Fire sale. Killorn is probably gone (while his stock is high and his full NTC converts to partial). Gourde needs to go, but has a NTC.

Hayes contract is horrible. But I don’t believe most fans think Nylander’s contract was terrible. Those contracts came afterwards. Dubas was so scarred from the Nylander negotiations that he basically opened the vault for Tavares, Mathews and Marner. Hence the severe cap issues. Although that is assuming you believe there are any issues so wise.
- Hardbalz

Tavares was always going to get 11M.

AM34 was never going to sign for less than 11M. Any attempt to get him to sign for max years were going to cost the Leafs 12M+.

Marner? Yeah, I'm thinking Dubas might have caved a bit with Mitch. Prolly earning 1M (give or take) too much.

Which leads me to believe that UFAs are going to be signing contracts at 3 years max.

Most teams won't want to add long-term contracts, and most players will realize they are better off taking a short-term deal and hoping the landscape is changed in three years.

Remember: salary cap is now based upon revenues from 2 years prior - so even if a miracle vaccine is rolled out in March, cap won't go up until 2023-24.

That's a grim reality for a lot of players.
- Atomic Wedgie

Burkie thought this was bad for owners and that some would be in big trouble. I don't see attendance getting back up in some areas for a long time if ever. (Of course, I'm not sure what back up means for some teams.) The idea of a single vaccine that makes this all go away is becoming less likely all the time and hockey might be pretty low on the must do's in some places.

Tampa is F-ed.

Sergachev, Cirelli, and Cernak all need new contracts and have about $5m in cap space (haven't checked for exact number, but it's not good).

Sergachev is probably going to want $6m, so.....

Fire sale. Killorn is probably gone (while his stock is high and his full NTC converts to partial). Gourde needs to go, but has a NTC.
- GalacticStone

Yanni Gourde?



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Tampa is F-ed.

Sergachev, Cirelli, and Cernak all need new contracts and have about $5m in cap space (haven't checked for exact number, but it's not good).

Sergachev is probably going to want $6m, so.....

Fire sale. Killorn is probably gone (while his stock is high and his full NTC converts to partial). Gourde needs to go, but has a NTC.
- GalacticStone

Yup, 5.3m and only 28 contracts signed.
Theyll be in the boat with the leafs

Burkie thought this was bad for owners and that some would be in big trouble. I don't see attendance getting back up in some areas for a long time if ever. (Of course, I'm not sure what back up means for some teams.) The idea of a single vaccine that makes this all go away is becoming less likely all the time and hockey might be pretty low on the must do's in some places.
- Canada Cup

Why does it seem less likely?
They have 12 potential vaccines in various countries in various stages of testing.

Yanni Gourde?




- TheMussel[img][/img]

Yanni would be cheaper and probably have about the same level of production on ice.

Hayes contract is horrible. But I don’t believe most fans think Nylander’s contract was terrible. Those contracts came afterwards. Dubas was so scarred from the Nylander negotiations that he basically opened the vault for Tavares, Mathews and Marner. Hence the severe cap issues. Although that is assuming you believe there are any issues so wise.
- Hardbalz

Your chronology is a little messed up there, but the sentiment is on point.

Nylander should have been traded the second he held out for defensive help. Would have sent a message to Matthews and Marner that Dubas doesn’t (frank) around and if they wanted to be part of what was clearly an up and coming team in the epicentre of the hockey universe, they better get on board with taking a little less than the maximum they could possibly extort. Boston and Tampa seemed to have no problem convincing their star players to take team friendly deals. I never understood why that was such a hard pitch to make. It has nothing to do with being cheap or Melnyk-esque and lowballing players for profitability concerns. It’s the recognition that you’re in the cap era and Toronto is the richest team and will spend to the max but every dollar player A gets paid is a dollar that can’t be paid to the players around Player A. Maximizing roster quality is dependent on taking a little less so you have have better players around you. Which will increase the success of the team and each player’s marketability and their ability to monetize other aspects of their life in the most hockey crazy city on the planet. It’s literally that (frank)ing simple.

Your chronology is a little messed up there, but the sentiment is on point.

Nylander should have been traded the second he held out for defensive help. Would have sent a message to Matthews and Marner that Dubas doesn’t (frank) around and if they wanted to be part of what was clearly an up and coming team in the epicentre of the hockey universe, they better get on board with taking a little less than the maximum they could possibly extort. Boston and Tampa seemed to have no problem convincing their star players to take team friendly deals. I never understood why that was such a hard pitch to make. It has nothing to do with being cheap or Melnyk-esque and lowballing players for profitability concerns. It’s the recognition that you’re in the cap era and Toronto is the richest team and will spend to the max but every dollar player A gets paid is a dollar that can’t be paid to the players around Player A. Maximizing roster quality is dependent on taking a little less so you have have better players around you. Which will increase the success of the team and each player’s marketability and their ability to monetize other aspects of their life in the most hockey crazy city on the planet. It’s literally that (frank)ing simple.
- poopstash

I agree completely
Now what kind of value would willie have had at that time? Dunno. He just came off of back to back 60pt seasons, so i feel he could have still gotten a return of at least a 4th D.