It looks a lot better when u subtract MoJo’s 4.5mil after next year & replace him with Mitts or pick8 at under 1mil
And even better when we can finally rid ourselves of Okposo’s 6mil
Unfortunately... bc of Okposo’s 6mil in particular,
it’s going to look like we pay too much for forwards no matter what we do... unless you’re just plugging in Mitts & Cozens into the top9 and calling it a day
- jdfitz77

Individually, many of those contracts are ok, it is the cumulative value...they are paying that forward group way too much based on a Cap of $81.5 less about $2m in Bonus Overates and Buyout commitments.
Okposo and his production vs contract kills us. So does Skinner at $9m for even his best of 63 points. Those two combine for about $7m in wasted cap. But they are here and we have to deal with it.

Even when Mojo goes and is replaced by Mitts or an ELC player, that money and more goes to Dahlin, Joker and probably an upgraded goalie.

Got to be much smarter on how to spend that money.

You think he's going to take less than his QO, especially if he plays as well as we would all hope?
- kingcong39

If he plays well, i don’t think it matters is his QO was 5.5m or 7.5m, bc he’s gonna get a good next deal either way

I don’t think the QO really matters much in what his next deal will be
It’ll be more determined by his play

Individually, many of those contracts are ok, it is the cumulative value...they are paying that forward group way too much based on a Cap of $81.5 less about $2m in Bonus Overates and Buyout commitments.
Okposo and his production vs contract kills us. So does Skinner at $9m for even his best of 63 points. Those two combine for about $7m in wasted cap. But they are here and we have to deal with it.

Even when Mojo goes and is replaced by Mitts or an ELC player, that money and more goes to Dahlin, Joker and probably an upgraded goalie.

Got to be much smarter on how to spend that money.
- IonSabres

I guess we just see it differently
I’m not willing to say i can only spend “x” amount of $$$ on a forward right now bc of Okposo’s overpayment
I don’t need to break it down by spending a certain amount on each position
I look at it as a whole

They can easily do that for 41 games. It's not so easy for the other 41 games.
- kingcong39

Yes & no
In away games, they can’t control who he’s matched up against
But they can still choose to give him 60% offensive zone starts still

Individually, many of those contracts are ok, it is the cumulative value...they are paying that forward group way too much based on a Cap of $81.5 less about $2m in Bonus Overates and Buyout commitments.
Okposo and his production vs contract kills us. So does Skinner at $9m for even his best of 63 points. Those two combine for about $7m in wasted cap. But they are here and we have to deal with it.

Even when Mojo goes and is replaced by Mitts or an ELC player, that money and more goes to Dahlin, Joker and probably an upgraded goalie.

Got to be much smarter on how to spend that money.
- IonSabres

gotta get lean

no more one way contracts

If he plays well, i don’t think it matters is his QO was 5.5m or 7.5m, bc he’s gonna get a good next deal either way

I don’t think the QO really matters much in what his next deal will be
It’ll be more determined by his play
- jdfitz77

If he produces exactly the same as he does now, and continues to miss roughly 10 games a year, unless you are not qualifying him, that $7.5M will absolutely matter, as you won't want to pay him $7.5M, but you'll have to as he's not going to take less out of the kindness of his own heart.

if the blues want to sign Pietrangelo, seems like trading Bozak is the perfect move for them to make


I would take him in a heartbeat for the middle 6

You save $3.5M by replacing Johansson with Mittelstadt or pick 8. How do you cover the raises both Dahlin and Jokiharju will be getting after next season when the cap will be the same? McCabe and Hutton's $$$ likely won't be enough.
- kingcong39

Bridge Jokiharju
He’s never gonna be a big point producer,
so his salary shouldn’t take a big leap

Who’s Seattle taking?
That $$$ comes off the books too
Maybe that’s how u get rid of Okposo & cure any Cap issue?
Yes, obviously we’d have to pay to do it

Bridge Dahlin?
I think a lot of guys will be taking shorter term deals so they can hit it big when the Cap starts going up again in 3yrs

Regardless...
I’m doing what i can to make the playoffs now
If i have to give Henrique (in my example) away in 2yrs so i can give Dahlin his big deal,
then I’m ok with that
Bc by then, Cozens is taking a bigger role
And I’ll figure out 3C at a reasonable cost
Maybe it’s Asplund, Routsalainen, Davidsson, etc

I hear what you’re saying
But i think there’s ways to make it work
I’m more worried about making the playoffs this season so Jack doesn’t ask out,
than i am being super careful in planning out the Cap 3 years from now
Not that I’m ignoring potential Cap issues
It’s just a lesser priority in the immediate for me

Cluelessville the scatter brain said that they should have let Skinner walk.
- Pegullaville

Really?
I don’t remember u saying anything negative about Skinner ever

we are not in the shape we would like to be in cap wise


the hawks struggled once they paid kane and toews



we will struggle with the skinner deal


and we don't even get post season games
- homiedclown

It depends.
The flat Cap for the next 2 seasons (+?) could be a blessing if the Sabres play it smart.
Many teams will be squeezed, and relief from Cap commitments will become "the" value teams gain when they necessarily shed players. Also, except for top tier talent, UFA's likely will see deflated contracts, there may not be such overpayments necessary.

It's why I would support letting all the Sabre UFA's walk, and be very judicious in who I resign and who I trade. Sabres should be looking to weaponize their Cap space and do so aggressively.

I seek to trade rather than re-sign Sam and Montour for this very reason.
-Could they package Sam to get the much needed 2C and replace him for the next couple season with Alex Killorn for virtually nothing?
-could they package Montour for Tuch and get a decent 3C from another team that is squeezed

The big question, is the Sabres front office that is running on fumes presently position itself to smartly craft and execute a strategy like that or better? Or are they going to play it safe and go easy this offseason?

If he produces exactly the same as he does now, and continues to miss roughly 10 games a year, unless you are not qualifying him, that $7.5M will absolutely matter, as you won't want to pay him $7.5M, but you'll have to as he's not going to take less out of the kindness of his own heart.
- kingcong39

What would u potentially want to give him?
Let’s say it’s 6mil
Would he take 6mil x 8yrs to have the security instead of taking a 1 yr QO deal & risking injury?
Especially if he continues to be injury prone?
Yeah...
I could see him give up the extra 1.5mil for 1 season in order to get 48mil overall

if the blues want to sign Pietrangelo, seems like trading Bozak is the perfect move for them to make


I would take him in a heartbeat for the middle 6
- homiedclown

Only if we can’t find a better option
He’s not the same guy now that u remember from Toronto
Watch the Blues this playoffs
Heck... how much do u remember him from their Cup run last year?
He’s overpaid now for what he produces
StL would give him away for free to anyone who wants him

Not that he sucks...
but hopefully we can do better

He’s steadily declined
https://www.hockey-refere.../players/b/bozakty01.html

if the blues want to sign Pietrangelo, seems like trading Bozak is the perfect move for them to make

I would take him in a heartbeat for the middle 6
- homiedclown

Would they even want much for him with how much they have committed to their cap for next season?

He only has one more year left on his deal at $5M.

I guess we just see it differently
I’m not willing to say i can only spend “x” amount of $$$ on a forward right now bc of Okposo’s overpayment
I don’t need to break it down by spending a certain amount on each position
I look at it as a whole
- jdfitz77

Unfortunately, if you don't set some level of positional value and budget then you significantly increase the likelihood of overpaying for the roster as demonstrated with a forward group of $59m, leaving only $about $16-$17m for 9 D and G positions...less than $2m apiece.
Welcome to Toronto, the sequel.

What would u potentially want to give him?
Let’s say it’s 6mil
Would he take 6mil x 8yrs to have the security instead of taking a 1 yr QO deal & risking injury?
Especially if he continues to be injury prone?
Yeah...
I could see him give up the extra 1.5mil for 1 season in order to get 48mil overall
- jdfitz77

If he continues to produce and play in the amount of games he has, why would you want to commit $48M to him and 8 years?

It depends.
The flat Cap for the next 2 seasons (+?) could be a blessing if the Sabres play it smart.
Many teams will be squeezed, and relief from Cap commitments will become "the" value teams gain when they necessarily shed players. Also, except for top tier talent, UFA's likely will see deflated contracts, there may not be such overpayments necessary.

It's why I would support letting all the Sabre UFA's walk, and be very judicious in who I resign and who I trade. Sabres should be looking to weaponize their Cap space and do so aggressively.

I seek to trade rather than re-sign Sam and Montour for this very reason.
-Could they package Sam to get the much needed 2C and replace him for the next couple season with Alex Killorn for virtually nothing?
-could they package Montour for Tuch and get a decent 3C from another team that is squeezed

The big question, is the Sabres front office that is running on fumes presently position itself to smartly craft and execute a strategy like that or better? Or are they going to play it safe and go easy this offseason?
- IonSabres

Is Killorn a LW or a RW? If he's a LW, are you moving him Olofsson and Kahun to RW?

Killorn has 3 years left on his deal?

Unfortunately, if you don't set some level of positional value and budget then you significantly increase the likelihood of overpaying for the roster as demonstrated with a forward group of $59m, leaving only $about $16-$17m for 9 D and G positions...less than $2m apiece.
Welcome to Toronto, the sequel.
- IonSabres

I think the overall idea is having an amount of $$$ coming off the cap every year to create flexibility.

I think the overall idea is having an amount of $$$ coming off the cap every year to create flexibility.
- kingcong39

I agree with this, next year you have Mojo, Hutton, McCabe coming off. You gotta work those contracts so you have that flexibility.

If he continues to produce and play in the amount of games he has, why would you want to commit $48M to him and 8 years?
- kingcong39

I’m just saying his QO doesn’t have to dictate his next deal necessarily
And if I’m trading for a guy, it’s bc i think he’ll be good & I’ll want to pay him
If he disappoints, then move on
I’m not gonna be scored to trade for a player i think can be good for us bc of his QO

Would they even want much for him with how much they have committed to their cap for next season?

He only has one more year left on his deal at $5M.
- kingcong39

wins 55% of face offs
.5 ppg player in recent years
plays pk on blues second unit

IMO could play second line center if cozens and casey are not ready, if one of them is ready, would be perfect with kahun, tage, casey, johansson, or whoever else they put out there

Is Killorn a LW or a RW? If he's a LW, are you moving him Olofsson and Kahun to RW?

Killorn has 3 years left on his deal?
- kingcong39

LW

Unfortunately, if you don't set some level of positional value and budget then you significantly increase the likelihood of overpaying for the roster as demonstrated with a forward group of $59m, leaving only $about $16-$17m for 9 D and G positions...less than $2m apiece.
Welcome to Toronto, the sequel.
- IonSabres

But it’s not a Toronto situation
That $6mil from Okposo will come off
The $5.8mil from Henrique can be shed when we are comfortable with giving Cozens a bigger workload
Sam could be traded at some point Bc we draft Holtz (for example)
Etc, etc, etc

Adding 2 forwards that can help for a combined total of under $12mil is very doable imo

Having all the young defensive talent makes it easier too
Bc at some point Borgen is replacing Miller or Risto
Possibly Bryson, Samuelsson, Johnson & Laaksonen coming at some point too


I’m not saying our Cap situation is perfect
But it’s workable to add money now to get to the playoffs & then dump $$$ when we need to pay guys
At some point, tough choices might have to be made
But that’s the Cap World
It’s gonna happen no matter what

https://lastwordonhockey.com/2020/07/11/drafting-casey-mittelstadt-was-a-bad-idea/
- gerbe75pts

Im not sure how much credit to an article should be given when they have a typo in the title.

But it’s not a Toronto situation
That $6mil from Okposo will come off
The $5.8mil from Henrique can be shed when we are comfortable with giving Cozens a bigger workload
Sam could be traded at some point Bc we draft Holtz (for example)
Etc, etc, etc

Adding 2 forwards that can help for a combined total of under $12mil is very doable imo

Having all the young defensive talent makes it easier too
Bc at some point Borgen is replacing Miller or Risto
Possibly Bryson, Samuelsson, Johnson & Laaksonen coming at some point too


I’m not saying our Cap situation is perfect
But it’s workable to add money now to get to the playoffs & then dump $$$ when we need to pay guys
At some point, tough choices might have to be made
But that’s the Cap World
It’s gonna happen no matter what
- jdfitz77

There's room to make moves, you just have to keep in mind how all your contracts are working. The Sabres are finally gonna start seeing some more prospects hitting the system, it will help on who to keep or not keep, cause know you might have someone ready to take that spot. Unfortunately with trades, bad drafting, we haven't had that in about 4yrs.

I know sure how much credit to an article should be given when they have a typo in the title.
- Mentalorgasm5

The spelling and grammar rules do not apply on the Millennial Internet™. That's because millennials have created a new rulebook for a variant of written English unique to social media. A rulebook which states that deliberately misspelled words and misused grammar can convey tone, nuance, humour, and even annoyance.