How about we just start by acknowledging that the racism that made up much of that history has not completely left us and that we all have a responsibility to try to address it.

Changing sports logos that natives find offensive is one of the easiest things that we can do. Somehow it’s not surprising that you find it too much to ask for.
- Canada Cup

I find it offensive that people who travelled across the Bering Straits are called Natives.

I always liked JVR but lolololol....buddy is talking about Nylander entering his prime at 6.9? Lollieeeeeeeeeez
- Zezel

Yep and Nylander had 31G 59P in 68 GP and he thinks its a bad contract

With Max flipping out, I’ll just leave it with national indian organizations who have called for the end of all Indian mascots and team names. I’m going to go with their sentiments over the Wirtz on this one.

(It’s ironic that he uses the term cancel culture given the history of natives in North America.)
- Canada Cup

Respectfully, the broad brush removal of all Native mascots and and team names seems to be a bit an overplay. Don't you think it would be more prudent to decide this on a case-by-case basis?

Having said that, I'd like to know what Illinois-based Native groups feel about the Blackhawks name and logo. I honestly have very little insight into what the current view of the team is but I wonder if National organizations should necessarily trump (sorry!) local sentiment... maybe? I dunno. Kind of flailing here...

Agreed on the cancel culture irony. Talk about an all-time misfire.

How about we just start by acknowledging that the racism that made up much of that history has not completely left us and that we all have a responsibility to try to address it.

Changing sports logos that natives find offensive is one of the easiest things that we can do. Somehow it’s not surprising that you find it too much to ask for.
- Canada Cup

i have no issues with the past. people have largely accepted different racial groups and part of having a free society with free speech and thinking is not to force group think. so that being the case i don't have any issues with the current milieu the way it is...

however, that being said if people are being beaten in the streets cuz of their race, raped, murdered, etc... i have a problem with that... people being treated differently by the gov't/ public institutions, i have an issue with that as well....

what private citizens, say or do, that doesn't involve violence/ physical harm, i don't have an issue with that. I don't believe in extorting businesses or private individuals to do anything to address, "racial inequality"

Did I miss the press release on why you have converted to Leafism?
- Atomic Wedgie

to better reflect my posting habits... and the affinity i feel for Toronto

It's actually pretty complicated.

The Chicago Blackhawks receive some support, and they also receive some criticism from various Native American groups.

I read an article about a week ago about it - I'll see if I can dig it up.

They now have a few people in the arena for every game who engage with fans, telling the history of the local aboriginal groups.
- Atomic Wedgie

This is actually a really cool idea. There should be a whole area in the arena dedicated to the groups and Black Hawk.

to better reflect my posting habits... and the affinity i feel for Toronto
- kaptaan

- mjones242

more accurately the GTA and Niagara peninsula... since i'm not limiting myself to the boundaries of Toronto

Respectfully, the broad brush removal of all Native mascots and and team names seems to be a bit an overplay. Don't you think it would be more prudent to decide this on a case-by-case basis?

Having said that, I'd like to know what Illinois-based Native groups feel about the Blackhawks name and logo. I honestly have very little insight into what the current view of the team is but I wonder if National organizations should necessarily trump (sorry!) local sentiment... maybe? I dunno. Kind of flailing here...

Agreed on the cancel culture irony. Talk about an all-time misfire.
- mjones242

From what I recall, the name originally came from the name of a military organization, the Black Hawk Brigade. It didn’t really have anything to do with local native groups as far as I know.

The issue for native groups comes from the stereotyping. Many sports organizations go for team names more frightening than parts of trees. Indians are thought to be depicted as warriors and most of the logos show them as warriors. Apparently there have been some psychological studies on negative impacts of this narrow casting.

I also remember some local native groups have cut ties with the Black Hawks a few years ago. The issue was never that big because, hey this is hockey and there isn’t a huge native population in Chicago.

From what I recall, the name originally came from the name of a military organization, the Black Hawk Brigade. It didn’t really have anything to do with local native groups as far as I know.

The issue for native groups comes from the stereotyping. Many sports organizations go for team names more frightening than parts of trees. Indians are thought to be depicted as warriors and most of the logos show them as warriors. Apparently there have been some psychological studies on negative impacts of this narrow casting.

I also remember some local native groups have cut ties with the Black Hawks a few years ago. The issue was never that big because, hey this is hockey and there isn’t a huge native population in Chicago.
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Black Hawk name came from honoring a native leader by that name from what i read...

What would be worse:

Habs vs. Pitts winning 1st overall ?

I hope some Western team other then Van that wins, but I have a hard time with envisioning either of Habs/Pitts winning it.

Black Hawk name came from honoring a native leader by that name from what i read...
- kaptaan

Frederik Mclaughlin, the team’s founder served in the US 86th Infantry Division, known as the “Black Hawks”. He named the team in honour of the Division. The Division was named after the native leader but there is no sense that McLaughlin gave a poop about that.

What would be worse:

Habs vs. Pitts winning 1st overall ?

I hope some Western team other then Van that wins, but I have a hard time with envisioning either of Habs/Pitts winning it.
- Archaic

Would rather Pitts wins it. Crosby and Lafreniere would totally suck together, both of them being from the crappy QMJHL and all

From what I recall, the name originally came from the name of a military organization, the Black Hawk Brigade. It didn’t really have anything to do with local native groups as far as I know.

The issue for native groups comes from the stereotyping. Many sports organizations go for team names more frightening than parts of trees. Indians are thought to be depicted as warriors and most of the logos show them as warriors. Apparently there have been some psychological studies on negative impacts of this narrow casting.

I also remember some local native groups have cut ties with the Black Hawks a few years ago. The issue was never that big because, hey this is hockey and there isn’t a huge native population in Chicago.
- Canada Cup

Only slightly digressing, this discussion reminds of this bit from The Jim Jefferies Show:

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2429463953800911

Granted, Jim resorts to a very small sample set of opinions played up for laughs, but I thought it was a pretty fun bit.

more accurately the GTA and Niagara peninsula... since i'm not limiting myself to the boundaries of Toronto
- kaptaan

Being that I live in Grimsby, I support your expanded boundaries!

What would be worse:

Habs vs. Pitts winning 1st overall ?

I hope some Western team other then Van that wins, but I have a hard time with envisioning either of Habs/Pitts winning it.
- Archaic

I'd be good with Columbus winning the lottery as a result of losing to the eventual Cup winning team.

I find it offensive that people who travelled across the Bering Straits are called Natives.
- AdamFrench

well, once they got here, they probably should have listened to the sensible ones and built walls on the east coast once other immigrants started to arrive.

This is actually a really cool idea. There should be a whole area in the arena dedicated to the groups and Black Hawk.
- mjones242

The American Indian Centre of Chicago ends it’s relationship with the team’s charitable foundation over its use of “hateful stereotypes”. Why not do what native organizations are asking and change the name and then work with them to do cool things like what you just described.

https://aicchicago.org/st...go-blackhawks-foundation/

Being that I live in Grimsby, I support your expanded boundaries!
- mjones242

yes, i thought you might when i saw your location.... and it is the truth. i'm partial to the suburbs, and to the periphery than the city tbh. i like small towns and communities....

The American Indian Centre of Chicago ends it’s relationship with the team’s charitable foundation over its use of “hateful stereotypes”. Why not do what native organizations are asking and change the name and then work with them to do cool things like what you just described.

https://aicchicago.org/st...go-blackhawks-foundation/
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i think some people just have a thin skin about these things... a lot of times these orgs just want money and funding so the people running it can get fat off the money coming in... its extortion in my opinion...

The Han should have gone it alone.

Because then we could have called them...
- Atomic Wedgie

Wow...no one bit yet.
OK, I will:


Rogue One!

The American Indian Centre of Chicago ends it’s relationship with the team’s charitable foundation over its use of “hateful stereotypes”. Why not do what native organizations are asking and change the name and then work with them to do cool things like what you just described.

https://aicchicago.org/st...go-blackhawks-foundation/
- Canada Cup

Is the American Indian Center of Chicago the final authority on Native sentiment of the Blackhawks name?

Welcome to Cap Hell

Enjoy your stay!

yes, i thought you might when i saw your location.... and it is the truth. i'm partial to the suburbs, and to the periphery than the city tbh. i like small towns and communities....
- kaptaan

Same here. I used to be located in Burlington but moved about 7-8 years ago to Grimsby. Glad I did as Burlington, not a big city by any stretch of the imagination, feels bloated and bursting at the seams at this point.

Frankly, I'd like to move further off the grid at some point.

Welcome to Cap Hell

Enjoy your stay!
- RedRevenge