I mean, replace Holl with Dermott in that trade. Holl can proven he can play with Muzzin just fine. I’d keep him.
- Steven_Seagull

I'd keep Holl as well.

Cheap contract too.

I just think the Leafs need a 3C. Especially if Kerfoot is traded in a package for a D.

If Johnnson and Kerfoot are traded for a top 4.

Can you explore Kap and Dermott for a strong 3C?

John shannon now saying Toronto is only a hub city for rounds 1 and 2 (plus play ins)

Edmonton will do conference and cup finals.
- bryant

Probably makes sense from a $ perspective.

5 years isn’t a “bridge deal.“


Plus they signed those deals on December 2, 2009, before they won the Cup. (Same NHL season, though) AAV.

Facts matter.
- Steven_Seagull

And 4 of those years were RFA as reflected by an extremely low (relative to their actual worth on the ice)...

ALL3 cups were won with toewes and kane making 6.3 each.

Dinkus is handing out RFA deals to nylander and marner and matthews like they’ve actual won something.

None of those players have even won 1 F’ing round!!!

Again...your team is completely F’ed...a true recipe for disaster.

Enjoy!

I'd keep Holl as well.

Cheap contract too.

I just think the Leafs need a 3C. Especially if Kerfoot is traded in a package for a D.

If Johnnson and Kerfoot are traded for a top 4.

Can you explore Kap and Dermott for a strong 3C?
- Santo_44

Don’t trade Kapanen.

And 4 of those years were RFA as reflected by an extremely low (relative to their actual worth on the ice)...

ALL3 cups were won with toewes and kane making 6.3 each.

Dinkus is handing out RFA deals to nylander and marner and matthews like they’ve actual won something.

None of those players have even won 1 F’ing round!!!

Again...your team is completely F’ed...a true recipe for disaster.

Enjoy!
- bruceflyers

I smacked you around with facts, and you lost your mind. Enjoy!

The article is VERY SPECIFICALLY calling out mascots. If you're trying to infer that this extends to logos that are very specifically NOT related to mascots, than I think you're being disingenuous AF.

I totally agree that Chief Wahoo is a caricature of Native Americans that is disparaging.

If you want to move the goal posts, by all means, do so. But I'm sticking with the original playing field: the Blackhawks name is, and was, not based on any racist agenda or symbology.

If there are legitimate claims and evidence presented that the Blackhawks can be, even tacitly, traced to racial undertones I'm happy to hear the argument. You, however, haven't presented anything that points specifically to the Blackhawks name itself being racist or problematic beyond some vague calls for ALL Native American related symbols/teams from being erased.

Again, I think that's beyond reasonable. Let's talk specifically about the Blackhawks and not lump them in with the Redskins, thank you.
- mjones242

You've made your mind up. The APA does not just refer to mascots. Here is part of their resolution. THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the American Psychological Association supports and recommends the immediate retirement of American Indian mascots, symbols, images, and personalities. It refers to mascots, symbols, images and personalities throughout. Images are images whether they're on jerseys or elsewhere. It passed this resolution because the harm these mascots and images do to natives by perpetuating stereotypes. The resolution doesn't differentiate between your nice logos and mean ones.

So, as far as I can see the goalposts have been set by the APA, the NCAI (the largest native organization in the US) and the one local native group that had been an active partner of the Black Hawks Foundation.

They're not my goalposts, but I'm certainly ready to go along with those groups if they want native logos, including the Black Hawk logo removed.

Don’t trade Kapanen.
- Steven_Seagull

The Leafs bottom 6 struggled last season.

It needs a strong 3C.

Do the Leafs miss a Kadri level C? Yes.

I smacked you around with facts, and you lost your mind. Enjoy!
- Steven_Seagull

What do you think...shanny gets fired after the play in loss?

All that trust put into a 16 year old GM...definitely deserves the vince mcmahon...

“You’re Fiiiiiiiirrrrrrrrreeeeedddd”

What do you think...shanny gets fired after the play in loss?

All that trust put into a 16 year old GM...definitely deserves the vince mcmahon...

“You’re Fiiiiiiiirrrrrrrrreeeeedddd”
- bruceflyers

Clean yourself off, and begone, whore.

University of north dakota re-named their mascot from The Fighting Sioux to The Fighting Hawks...and you know what? The sky DIDN’T...repeat...DIDN’T FALL!!!

Turns out that doing the right thing...IS THE RIGHT THING!!!

or you can stand your ground...bury your head in the sand...and have your brain try to dream justifications to defend cultural appropriation so that billionaires can even be richer selling a bunch of worthless baubles and trinkets that are manufactured by Vietnamese girls shackled to a sewing machine with a pss jug on the floor.

Cool.
- bruceflyers

So you're comparing "Fighting Sioux" to "Blackhawks". Cool beans.

I'll try to keep this short as you seem unhinged and a little bit misguided (as Flyers fans are wont to be):

"Fighting Sioux" is offensive because it conjures up the notion of Native people as violent, bloodthirsty savages.

The Blackhawks name makes no such distinctions or claims on Native heritage. Hell, "Black Hawk" isn't even the name of a Native people; it was derived from the name of a Sauk leader.

Context, as always, is important. You can try to sell your one-size-fits-all "cultural appropriation" bs, but I'm not buying it.

Clean yourself off, and begone, whore.
- Steven_Seagull

Dude, seriously.

Dude, seriously.
- Atomic Wedgie

Yep

Yep
- Steven_Seagull

Probably makes sense from a $ perspective.
- Atomic Wedgie

That and I’m sure it will give the east teams time to get adjusted to time change and altitude. That way the west doesn’t have an advantage.

CC has broken you.



- Steven_Seagull

Step 1. Break the spirit

And 4 of those years were RFA as reflected by an extremely low (relative to their actual worth on the ice)...

ALL3 cups were won with toewes and kane making 6.3 each.

Dinkus is handing out RFA deals to nylander and marner and matthews like they’ve actual won something.

None of those players have even won 1 F’ing round!!!

Again...your team is completely F’ed...a true recipe for disaster.

Enjoy!
- bruceflyers

Dizzzzzuuuuurrrppppp

You've made your mind up. The APA does not just refer to mascots. Here is part of their resolution. THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the American Psychological Association supports and recommends the immediate retirement of American Indian mascots, symbols, images, and personalities. It refers to mascots, symbols, images and personalities throughout. Images are images whether they're on jerseys or elsewhere. It passed this resolution because the harm these mascots and images do to natives by perpetuating stereotypes. The resolution doesn't differentiate between your nice logos and mean ones.

So, as far as I can see the goalposts have been set by the APA, the NCAI (the largest native organization in the US) and the one local native group that had been an active partner of the Black Hawks Foundation.

They're not my goalposts, but I'm certainly ready to go along with those groups if they want native logos, including the Black Hawk logo removed.
- Canada Cup

I've made my mind up? I've made it very clear that I'm open to dialogue about the Blackhawks name. I'm open to every Native-based team name/logo across the board being challenged but they must be given fair trials on a case-by-case basis.

If you want to extend the notion of "images" to team logos, fine. I don't think that is the context by which they are referring to "images" but whatever. I've already submitted my thoughts on logos multiple times to you: change the logos and imagery to something that respects Native heritage but doesn't caricature it.

If those Native groups can provide compelling arguments as to why "Blackhawks" is derogatory, offensive, or problematic I'm open to hearing those arguments. But you have to (frank)ing provide legitimate arguments that provide evidence beyond vague notions of "cultural appropriation".

The Redskins are a slam dunk. The Blackhawks? Not so much.

Re : racism, mascots, and team names

WWWCD?

What would Wendel Clark do?

That is the correct answer to any issue.

Don’t trade Kapanen.
- Steven_Seagull

Nylander then.

Re : racism, mascots, and team names

WWWCD?

What would Wendel Clark do?

That is the correct answer to any issue.
- GalacticStone

What are your thoughts on a Toronto expansion club called "The Fighting Clarks"?

Or would that be horseshoe mustache appropriation?!

Nylander then.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

For Parayko

Nylander then.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

I don't think the Hawks will allow us to trade Alexander Nylander for anyone.

Re : racism, mascots, and team names

WWWCD?

What would Wendel Clark do?

That is the correct answer to any issue.
- GalacticStone

Punch someone then go on injury reserve?

I've made my mind up? I've made it very clear that I'm open to dialogue about the Blackhawks name. I'm open to every Native-based team name/logo across the board being challenged but they must be given fair trials on a case-by-case basis.

If you want to extend the notion of "images" to team logos, fine. I don't think that is the context by which they are referring to "images" but whatever. I've already submitted my thoughts on logos multiple times to you: change the logos and imagery to something that respects Native heritage but doesn't caricature it.

If those Native groups can provide compelling arguments as to why "Blackhawks" is derogatory, offensive, or problematic I'm open to hearing those arguments. But you have to (frank)ing provide legitimate arguments that provide evidence beyond vague notions of "cultural appropriation".

The Redskins are a slam dunk. The Blackhawks? Not so much.
- mjones242

Societal norms are fluid.

Up until 10-15 years ago no one cared about that stuff. But also no one cared about casual racism. Most Gen Xers are casually racist. So I’d bet that the majority of people >45 are annoyed by these changes, because it doesn’t make them uncomfortable. But they’re inconvenienced by subtle changes, and they’ll bïtch and moan about it until the day they die.

I’m not trying to shame older generations, it’s just how society was. But the pissing and whining toward younger people trying to make the world a better place is so cringe.

For Parayko
- Steven_Seagull

I doubt other teams see Willy on that level.

But if STL is dumb enough to make that trade.. 🤷‍♂️