Ryan McDonagh, Tyler Johnson, a 1st, and the rights to BruceFlyers for Marner.

Toronto gets a declining but still solid RHD who is an upgrade on everyone except Muzzin and Rielly. Slots in as 2nd pair and can play top pair minutes in a pinch. Johnson is a mixed bag, but still a solid 2C or 3C with good playoffs/clutch production. 1st pick won't be a high pick, but it's a roll of the dice to get a solid prospect. Bruce, well, you have his rights, so you can send him down to the AHL assuming he clears waivers (which he will).

Tampa gets a rising star winger who can bury the biscuit to replace Johnson and play wingman for Point.

Given TO's bounty of riches at forward, I think it works.
- GalacticStone

So marner can spend the rest of career lighten up the leafs?
No.
Tampa gets a superstar not a rising star, the leafs get older ok players.
No more doing these trades.

https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2020/7/8/21312462/toronto-maple-leafs-2020-top-25-under-25-travis-dermott-hold-steady-maple-leafs-defense-leafs-roster

Good evaluation on Dermott.

Dermott is likely never going to be more than a 3rd pair D. Neither Babs or Keefe trusted Dermott at all.

Either trade him or use him as a safety net on the 3rd pair if Sandin/Lehtonen/Lil cant round out the 3rd pair.
- Santo_44

I’d trade him.

Is the American Psychological Association too strident for you? They talk about all Indian mascots and logos. The didn't mention the nice ones like the Black Hawks vs the nasty ones versus the Redskins.

Again, native organizations are asking for this. There seems to be evidence that it is harmful. Franchise with "bad" names (Redskins) and "good" names are reviewing their names but this is too much for the Black Hawks?

American Psychological Association

Summary of the APA Resolution Recommending Retirement of American Indian Mascots

According to Stephanie Fryberg, PhD, University of Arizona, this appears to have a negative impact on the self-esteem of American Indian children, "American Indian mascots are harmful not only because they are often negative, but because they remind American Indians of the limited ways in which others see them. This in turn restricts the number of ways American Indians can see themselves."

Undermines the ability of American Indian Nations to portray accurate and respectful images of their culture, spirituality and traditions. Many American Indians report that they find today's typical portrayal of American Indian culture disrespectful and offensive to their spiritual beliefs.

Presents stereotypical images of American Indians. Such mascots are a contemporary example of prejudice by the dominant culture against racial and ethnic minority groups.

Is a form of discrimination against American Indian Nations that can lead to negative relations between groups.

"We know from the literature that oppression, covert and overt racism, and perceived racism can have serious negative consequences for the mental health of American Indian and Alaska native people. The discontinued use of American Indian mascots is a gesture to show that this kind of racism toward and the disrespect of, all people in our country and in the larger global context, will not be tolerated," said Lisa Thomas, PhD, APA Committee on Ethnic and Minority Affairs.

To eradicate the hurtful presence of stereotypical imaging of American Indians, the APA encourages continued research on the psychological effects that these mascots, symbols, images and personalities have on American Indian communities and others.

The APA is calling upon all psychologists to speak out against racism, and take proactive steps to prevent the occurrence of intolerant or racist acts and recommends the immediate retirement of American Indian mascots, symbols, images and personalities by schools, colleges, universities, athletic teams and organizations.
This document is based on the APA American Indian Mascot Resolution adopted by the APA's Council of Representatives in September 2005.
- Canada Cup

The article you just quoted is specifically about mascots.

Edit: they do, in passing mention "images". I've already mentioned that changing the logo to something like the Native designed image might be the right play.

I'm not advocating for Chief Wahoo, et al. to continue being used as a merchandising tool. I am questioning the cancellation of the "Blackhawks" team name. I'm not convinced that "Blackhawks" has, at all, any pejorative connotation.

Again, the Blackhawks are NOT like Redskins, Indians, et al. I believe it's disingenuous to pretend they're the same thing.

https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2020/7/8/21312462/toronto-maple-leafs-2020-top-25-under-25-travis-dermott-hold-steady-maple-leafs-defense-leafs-roster

Good evaluation on Dermott.

Dermott is likely never going to be more than a 3rd pair D. Neither Babs or Keefe trusted Dermott at all.

Either trade him or use him as a safety net on the 3rd pair if Sandin/Lehtonen/Lil cant round out the 3rd pair.
- Santo_44

What do you think Dermott ends up signing for? It may not be in the Leafs best interest to re-sign him.

This is not a joke.

The person who posts the best pic of Matthews' mustache will get a free package of fossils from Florida's famous Bone Valley formation. This includes shark teeth, bones, and other specimens from the Miocene epoch (approx. 5-23 million years old).

I will determine the winner based on mustache goodness. In the event of a tie, I will flip a coin.

Winner will send me their mailing address via private message and they will receive a package full of fossils.
- GalacticStone

***giggles***

I have a video conference call at 3 pm, and there's lightning in my area.

This could get interesting.

Ryan McDonagh, Tyler Johnson, a 1st, and the rights to BruceFlyers for Marner.

Toronto gets a declining but still solid RHD who is an upgrade on everyone except Muzzin and Rielly. Slots in as 2nd pair and can play top pair minutes in a pinch. Johnson is a mixed bag, but still a solid 2C or 3C with good playoffs/clutch production. 1st pick won't be a high pick, but it's a roll of the dice to get a solid prospect. Bruce, well, you have his rights, so you can send him down to the AHL assuming he clears waivers (which he will).

Tampa gets a rising star winger who can bury the biscuit to replace Johnson and play wingman for Point.

Given TO's bounty of riches at forward, I think it works.
- GalacticStone

lol....what a dummmy! Tis the 1 thing he CAN'T do! muhuhahaha

So marner can spend the rest of career lighten up the leafs?
No.
Tampa gets a superstar not a rising star, the leafs get older ok players.
No more doing these trades.
- Fakepartofme

Well, I had to try.

That McD contract is looking more and more horrible as time goes on.

OK, let's get stupid.

Hedman for Sandin, Johnsson, a 1st, and Matthews' mustache.

I heard kanye no longer supports trump and may run for president.
- Fakepartofme

Yeah, he's being advised by Elon Musk. He's running as the head of the Birthday Party. His VP choice will be announced later (T Swift?). He's going to base the organizational structure of White House on Wakanda. He's not worried if he takes votes away from Biden and gets Trump elected. "Kanye West is special. Trump is special. Joe Biden is not special."

Also,

ON VACCINES

“It’s so many of our children that are being vaccinated and paralyzed… So when they say the way we’re going to fix Covid is with a vaccine, I’m extremely cautious. That’s the mark of the beast. They want to put chips inside of us, they want to do all kinds of things, to make it where we can’t cross the gates of heaven. I'm sorry when I say they, the humans that have the Devil inside them. And the sad thing is that, the saddest thing is that we all won’t make it to heaven, that there’ll be some of us that do not make it. Next question.”

https://www.forbes.com/si...-in-between/#631268c247aa

I heard kanye no longer supports trump and may run for president.
- Fakepartofme

not a fan of that guy

I’d trade him.
- Steven_Seagull

We could only expect a top 9 forward with upside at a similar age.

I thought about Pavel Zacha.

Jack Roslovic as well.

Leafs may need to add though.

lol....what a dummmy! Tis the 1 thing he CAN'T do! muhuhahaha
- AdamFrench

Yeah, he only averages almost a point per game and was on pace for about 20g last season, but yeah, he has stone hands apparently. LOL.

What do you think Dermott ends up signing for? It may not be in the Leafs best interest to re-sign him.
- mjones242

His TOI is low and has barely ever faced anything more than weak competition in his career so far.

He is 23.

He barely cracks over a million for me.

Yeah, he's being advised by Elon Musk. He's running as the head of the Birthday Party. His VP choice will be announced later (T Swift?). He's going to base the organizational structure of White House on Wakanda. He's not worried if he takes votes away from Biden and gets Trump elected. "Kanye West is special. Trump is special. Joe Biden is not special."

Also,

ON VACCINES

“It’s so many of our children that are being vaccinated and paralyzed… So when they say the way we’re going to fix Covid is with a vaccine, I’m extremely cautious. That’s the mark of the beast. They want to put chips inside of us, they want to do all kinds of things, to make it where we can’t cross the gates of heaven. I'm sorry when I say they, the humans that have the Devil inside them. And the sad thing is that, the saddest thing is that we all won’t make it to heaven, that there’ll be some of us that do not make it. Next question.”

https://www.forbes.com/si...-in-between/#631268c247aa
- Canada Cup

Kayne West is the epitome of phucktard. Easily on the top-10 list of most useless and overrated humans on Earth.

Yeah, he's being advised by Elon Musk. He's running as the head of the Birthday Party. His VP choice will be announced later (T Swift?). He's going to base the organizational structure of White House on Wakanda. He's not worried if he takes votes away from Biden and gets Trump elected. "Kanye West is special. Trump is special. Joe Biden is not special."

Also,

ON VACCINES

“It’s so many of our children that are being vaccinated and paralyzed… So when they say the way we’re going to fix Covid is with a vaccine, I’m extremely cautious. That’s the mark of the beast. They want to put chips inside of us, they want to do all kinds of things, to make it where we can’t cross the gates of heaven. I'm sorry when I say they, the humans that have the Devil inside them. And the sad thing is that, the saddest thing is that we all won’t make it to heaven, that there’ll be some of us that do not make it. Next question.”

https://www.forbes.com/si...-in-between/#631268c247aa
- Canada Cup

Ya i read that.
Fack kanye.
And anti vaxxers.

Do you have a subscription to the Athletic?

This is probably the best article I've seen:

https://theathletic.com/1...eir-native-american-logo/
- Atomic Wedgie

Chicago Blackjocks has a nice ring to it.

His TOI is low and has barely ever faced anything more than weak competition in his career so far.

He is 23.

He barely cracks over a million for me.
- Santo_44

Remember when so many thought dermott was steal on draft day?
He'll get 2m from someone, hope its not the leafs.

His TOI is low and has barely ever faced anything more than weak competition in his career so far.

He is 23.

He barely cracks over a million for me.
- Santo_44

It does help that he doesn't have any arbitration rights for a couple of years. So yeah, I tend to think he's barely cracking 1M too.

Maybe you keep him and audition him on the right side? But I think he's a decently attractive asset that can pull a much better RHD.

Kayne West is the epitome of phucktard. Easily on the top-10 list of most useless and overrated humans on Earth.
- GalacticStone

Agreed.
But yet he still has fans. Sh!tty people

We could only expect a top 9 forward with upside at a similar age.

I thought about Pavel Zacha.

Jack Roslovic as well.

Leafs may need to add though.
- Santo_44

Zacha is a big bodied C who kills penalties. Deal. They can also have Kerfoot and we’ll take their latest 1st round pick.

Chicago Blackjocks has a nice ring to it.


- Garnie

What's up with that belly-button scar thingy? Is that the C-section scar from when BruceFlyers was born?

Remember when so many thought dermott was steal on draft day?
He'll get 2m from someone, hope its not the leafs.
- Fakepartofme

When he first cracked the league I was impressed. For me he is the same player he was at 20...He hasn't gotten any better and that happens sometimes.

I think its important for Leaf fans to realize his stock has fallen around the league and for the Leafs.

He is behind Sandin and Liljegren and Lehtonen are right behind him primed to jump over him.

It does help that he doesn't have any arbitration rights for a couple of years. So yeah, I tend to think he's barely cracking 1M too.

Maybe you keep him and audition him on the right side? But I think he's a decently attractive asset that can pull a much better RHD.
- mjones242

I thought this too during the season but I am starting to re think it.

I don't think he has the value to really move the needle much in a trade for a D man.

Instead I think he is a trade candidate to use in a deal for a youngish 3rd line C to replace Kap/Johnnson/Kerfoot on the bottom 2 lines. Those 3 actually have decent value around the league and are the guys likely going to be used to upgrade the D.

What's up with that belly-button scar thingy? Is that the C-section scar from when BruceFlyers was born?
- GalacticStone

Bruce who?

Never heard of him....

The article you just quoted is specifically about mascots.

Edit: they do, in passing mention "images". I've already mentioned that changing the logo to something like the Native designed image might be the right play.

I'm not advocating for Chief Wahoo, et al. to continue being used as a merchandising tool. I am questioning the cancellation of the "Blackhawks" team name. I'm not convinced that "Blackhawks" has, at all, any pejorative connotation.

Again, the Blackhawks are NOT like Redskins, Indians, et al. I believe it's disingenuous to pretend they're the same thing.
- mjones242

Jesus. There is no passing reference to images calls for the immediate retirement of American Indian mascots, symbols, images, and personalities. They didn't say that some are harmless and others are bad. in fact they say "WHEREAS the continued use of American Indian mascots, symbols, images, and personalities has a negative impact on other communities by allowing for the perpetuation of stereotypes and
stigmatization of another cultural group."

Sounds pejorative to me