Yep and Nylander had 31G 59P in 68 GP and he thinks its a bad contract
- Archaic

He’s an RFA!!!

He can’t go anywhere!

Chrst...hold your water.

Dinkus doesn’t have to be a little girlie man at the bargaining table. These agents just rip him a new one every time!!!

Welcome to salary cap hell leafs fans...and unlike chicago or LA fans...you didn’t even win a cup on the way there!!!

D-U-M-B...

Everyone’s accusing me!

(Johnny Ramone...1976)

Thanks for your agreement with my comment.

Still can’t believe Gritty lost NHL mascot of the year.

Shades of IOC payola...hotel room hookers...manilla envelopes filled with blow.

My investigation into the shady NHL underbelly is just getting started...
- bruceflyers

This is franking stupid.

The hookers bring the cocaine. There's no envelopes.

He’s an RFA!!!

He can’t ho anywhere!

Chrst...hold your water.

Dinkus doesn’t have to be a little girlie man at the bargaining table. These agents just rip him a new one every time!!!

Welcome to salary cap hell leafs fans...and unlike chicago or LA fans...you didn’t even ein s cup on the way there!!!

D-U-M-B...

Everyone’s accusing me!

(Johnny Ramone...1976)
- bruceflyers

I would wager that Philly's GM would love to have TO's cap issues.

LA and Chicago have Cups (deserved), but they are on the decline with a roster full of geezers. Both will be in full rebuilds soon. Toronto's "cap hell" stars are in their prime or just entering their primes. TO has many years ahead to win Cups before they find themselves in LA or Chicago's shoes. Same could be said for Tampa.

If cap-hell means having 4 or 5 elite players locked down, then send me to hell.

Very hot take.

Marner probably returns a stud d-man if it's 1-1.

However, I'm always weary of trading stars because of the old adage that the winner of the trade is the one who gets the best player. I'd rather do Nylander+ for a d-man than Marner for a d-man+
- TheMussel

Marner would suck to trade, I agreed but something like this saves cap and adds some needs.

Marner, Kerfoot Dermott
For
Chychrun, Dvorak, Crouse, Keller

Some picks probably needed by Phoenix too.

I’m not sure what’s good enough for you. There is no final authority. The main national organization representing native Americans has called for the end of “harmful” sports names and logos. The American Indian Centre that had had a long working relationship with the team ended it over this issue.

There seems to be psychological evidence that the stereotyping has negative impacts on native kids growing up.

Max and Kaptaan seem squarely in favour of them keeping the name.

This is a great and iconic brand for the franchise that I’m sure they don’t want to change.

I think if native groups find it offensive, they should change it.
- Canada Cup

Has there been psychological evidence that the Blackhawks team and logo - specifically - have had a negative impact on Native kids growing up? "There seems to be psychological evidence" does not seem to be a good hill to die on.

As I mentioned previously, I believe this should be handled on a case-by-case basis. Broad, sweeping changes recommended by groups and organizations, that have their own political agendas and activism driving them (which may or may not be above-board), may not be "good enough".

Not sure why debating each team individually should be an issue?

Marner would suck to trade, I agreed but something like this saves cap and adds some needs.

Marner, Kerfoot Dermott
For
Chychrun, Dvorak, Crouse, Keller

Some picks probably needed by Phoenix too.
- Hatt trick

We don't want to give AM34 any more reasons to jump ship to Arizona.

I would wager that Philly's GM would love to have TO's cap issues.

LA and Chicago have Cups (deserved), but they are on the decline with a roster full of geezers. Both will be in full rebuilds soon. Toronto's "cap hell" stars are in their prime or just entering their primes. TO has many years ahead to win Cups before they find themselves in LA or Chicago's shoes. Same could be said for Tampa.

If cap-hell means having 4 or 5 elite players locked down, then send me to hell.
- GalacticStone

Again...missing the point.

LA doled out the big contracts to kopitar, doughty, and quick AFTER they won 2 cups...ditto for chicago with kane, toewes, snd seabrook.

You can’t pay 4 forwards OVER half your cap...surround them with junky forwards...no defense and an unproven goalie and expect to win a cup...

You have GUARANTEED that you will never win. Not to mention your drafting...the source of quality players for cheap...is just pathetic.

AND you don’t even get a 1st this year??? Huh? Double huh??

See ya...

Has there been psychological evidence that the Blackhawks team and logo - specifically - have had a negative impact on Native kids growing up? "There seems to be psychological evidence" does not seem to be a good hill to die on.

As I mentioned previously, I believe this should be handled on a case-by-case basis. Broad, sweeping changes recommended by groups and organizations, that have their own political agendas and activism driving them (which may or may not be above-board), may not be "good enough".

Not sure why debating each team individually should be an issue?
- mjones242

Wrong.

You know why all teams should give up any culturally appropriated name...?

Cause it’s the right thing to do...

Has there been psychological evidence that the Blackhawks team and logo - specifically - have had a negative impact on Native kids growing up? "There seems to be psychological evidence" does not seem to be a good hill to die on.

As I mentioned previously, I believe this should be handled on a case-by-case basis. Broad, sweeping changes recommended by groups and organizations, that have their own political agendas and activism driving them (which may or may not be above-board), may not be "good enough".

Not sure why debating each team individually should be an issue?
- mjones242

My God, are you really suggesting that there might be some difference between impacts of the Redskins logo and the Blackhawks logo?

No, I haven't seen any specific psychological evidence and I'm not dying on any hill. The fact that both national and local native organizations are taking these positions is good enough for me. I find it very odd that it's not good enough for you and that you are searching for nefarious political agendas and activism to explain away their opposition.

Of course, these will be handled on a case by case basis. Baseball ands football will draw much more attention, corporate sponsorship is more important and financial decisions will be made for different reasons. The ethical issues are the same in hockey. The Wirtz's don't have a great reputation to begin with and I imagine that the economics are different.

Again...missing the point.

LA doled out the big contracts to kopitar, doughty, and quick AFTER they won 2 cups...ditto for chicago with kane, toewes, snd seabrook.

You can’t pay 4 forwards OVER half your cap...surround them with junky forwards...no defense and an unproven goalie and expect to win a cup...

You have GUARANTEED that you will never win. Not to mention your drafting...the source of quality players for cheap...is just pathetic.

AND you don’t even get a 1st this year??? Huh? Double huh??

See ya...
- bruceflyers

I think an argument could be made that paying for *past* performance can be problematic as well. Nobody is saying that Kane and Toews didn't deliver for the franchise and shouldn't be rewarded. But those contracts were suspect then, and are turning into albatrosses now, with the exception of Kane who is defying the age curve.

Professional sports and fanbases have a "what have you done for me lately" mindset, and those Cup glory years are in the rear-view mirror for LA and Chicago, and neither has any hope of winning another one with their current rosters. They will be paying for those dusty Cups for years to come, while teams like TO are one or two pieces away from winning Cups. Granted, the flattened Covid cap has thrown a monkey wrench in the works, but there are creative ways to work around the cap.

Technically-speaking, TO is still in a rebuild. Granted, their rebuild curve accelerated and they are on the cusp of contending, but it was just a few short years ago that they lacked a true #1C. You gotta pay to play. It's a gamble.

Wrong.

You know why all teams should give up any culturally appropriated name...?

Cause it’s the right thing to do...
- bruceflyers

I've warned you once. Please stop agreeing with me

Wrong.

You know why all teams should give up any culturally appropriated name...?

Cause it’s the right thing to do...
- bruceflyers

Sorry, your sweeping change that disallows any dialogue, on a case-by-case basis, is idiotic and authoritarian.

Love that guy.

I think he could be a late bloomer and turn into a steal for the leafs.
- bryant

Mike Augello says Clifford is gone at the end of this year.!! Love the sandpaper. Screw the second round pick. With the cap staying flat do you think he would get a better deal outside Toronto. Just when Toronto was getting a back bone!!

I think an argument could be made that paying for *past* performance can be problematic as well. Nobody is saying that Kane and Toews didn't deliver for the franchise and should be rewarded. But those contracts were suspect then, and are turning into albatrosses now, with the exception of Kane who is defying the age curve.

Professional sports and fanbases have a "what have you done for me lately" mindset, and those Cup glory years are in the rear-view mirror for LA and Chicago, and neither has any hope of winning another one with their current rosters. They will be paying for those dusty Cups for years to come, while teams like TO are one or two pieces away from winning Cups. Granted, the flattened Covid cap has thrown a monkey wrench in the works, but there are creative ways to work around the cap.

Technically-speaking, TO is still in a rebuild. Granted, their rebuild curve accelerated and they are on the cusp of contending, but it was just a few short years ago that they lacked a true #1C. You gotta pay to play. It's a gamble.
- GalacticStone

TO is in a re-build???

What team pays 77 million to a 28 year old UFA for 7 years while they’re re-building?

You know that makes no sense, right?

Sorry, your sweeping change that disallows any dialogue, on a case-by-case basis, is idiotic and authoritarian.
- mjones242

So in some cases...racism is bad.
And in other cases...racism is good.

Got it. And who will be the final arbiter of these case by case investigations?

Personally i nominate roger goodell.

“Good People”

TO is in a re-build???

What team pays 77 million to a 28 year old UFA for 7 years while they’re re-building?

You know that makes no sense, right?
- bruceflyers

When they signed Tavares the Leafs were def rebuilding still.
But also, to that point a Tavares had not made it to UFA status in a cap world...so you change approach if you can sign him.

Tavares 11mil made things difficult since they had 3 Elite players all coming due at the same time... but you work around it.

It may not work, but its not like they have 1 shot and its done, just like Washington and STL, it may take years of tweaks to get to the cup.

TO is in a re-build???

What team pays 77 million to a 28 year old UFA for 7 years while they’re re-building?

You know that makes no sense, right?
- bruceflyers

You do know what a rebuild is right?

Signing core players and contending are the end goals of a rebuild. Depending on perspective, TO is in the final stages of their rebuild, or just finished with it. I would argue that it's too soon to judge their recent signings.

To rebuild, you gotta tear down first. They did that already. Then you.....wait for it.....rebuild.

“From ownership to the staff...”???

Cry baby much?

Oh oh...here comes boston...are you sure your Game 7 third period 4-1 lead is safe?

Yeah...you’re right. Only a bunch of pathetic all-star chokers could lose that game!!!
- bruceflyers

at least our goaltenders can fight.

Again...missing the point.

LA doled out the big contracts to kopitar, doughty, and quick AFTER they won 2 cups...ditto for chicago with kane, toewes, snd seabrook.

You can’t pay 4 forwards OVER half your cap...surround them with junky forwards...no defense and an unproven goalie and expect to win a cup...

You have GUARANTEED that you will never win. Not to mention your drafting...the source of quality players for cheap...is just pathetic.

AND you don’t even get a 1st this year??? Huh? Double huh??

See ya...
- bruceflyers

They also gave these contracts to players much older than the leads core. Prime years vs older years. I'd rather pay for prime instead of past performance.

My God, are you really suggesting that there might be some difference between impacts of the Redskins logo and the Blackhawks logo?

No, I haven't seen any specific psychological evidence and I'm not dying on any hill. The fact that both national and local native organizations are taking these positions is good enough for me. I find it very odd that it's not good enough for you and that you are searching for nefarious political agendas and activism to explain away their opposition.

Of course, these will be handled on a case by case basis. Baseball ands football will draw much more attention, corporate sponsorship is more important and financial decisions will be made for different reasons. The ethical issues are the same in hockey. The Wirtz's don't have a great reputation to begin with and I imagine that the economics are different.
- Canada Cup

Yes. There is a difference between the Redskins and the Blackhawks. The difference isn't the logo - it's about the (frank)ing name. One is a racial epithet while the other is tangentially related to a Sauk leader. To spell it out for you: the Redskins name is akin to calling a team "Negroes" (or worse).

Ask yourself this question: would changing the logo of the Blackhawks to the Native designed version I posted back a few posts cause you to pivot your opinion at all?

Also, I never suggested that political activism was necessarily "nefarious". I'm suggesting that I wouldn't throw my hat in with organizations until I knew exactly what is driving their agenda and who they necessarily represent (are they an actual authority supported by the majority of Native Americans?!).

Whenever I hear about sweeping, all-encompassing propositions my skeptic alarm bells go into overdrive. They may have legitimate reasons for demanding some logos and team names to be changed... but ALL of them? Really?

The last point here isn't whether these teams will be handled on a case-by-case basis, it's whether you feel they should or they shouldn't. You seem to be supporting the notion that ALL teams should change their names and logos because some groups have suggested it.

That's your hill and you seem willing to die on it. So be it.

They also gave these contracts to players much older than the leads core. Prime years vs older years. I'd rather pay for prime instead of past performance.
- systemtool

If you give 4 guys all the money then you can’t afford mike richards jeff carter and justin williams.

Face it...your team is F’ed.

I’m done...leaf fans are delusional.

Enjoy a playoffs with 0 chance of winning the cup!

If you give 4 guys all the money then you can’t afford mike richards jeff carter and justin williams.

Face it...your team is F’ed.

I’m done...leaf fans are delusional.

Enjoy a playoffs with 0 chance of winning the cup!
- bruceflyers

Why does this occupy so much of your "thoughts"?

I agree with all of that.
The new logo is great, and arguably nicer than the current one.
(I guess unless that artist gives up all rights on that new design for free, it's not going to happen though..).

Quite a few NHL teams could use a complete redesign of logo btw.
- MaximusAurelius

This isnt Chicagos new logo, i believe this is now owned by a jr team

They also gave these contracts to players much older than the leads core. Prime years vs older years. I'd rather pay for prime instead of past performance.
- systemtool

a few other points to make, its not like they didnt pay Toews/Kane, they got 11% of the cap on their second contracts. MM and JT are 13%

Also, the Hawks were able to sign Keith to a 13 year deal, making the cap hit much lower.

It’s not me tagging it that way, it’s native organizations. Dismissing it out of hand before trying to understand the issue isn’t adult but it is typical. Learn first, talk later.
- Canada Cup

Not all native organizations feel that way.
Some dont care about logos and mascots and have dedicated their energy on higher priority items (in their view).
So ive read

Although most would prefer to remove some of the team logos