You make sh*t up to suit your point of view. Tell me about the cap rule changes made last summer.
You, Booner, Nighthawk, And Lord H do not intimidate me, individually or in a pack. I stand by my opinions and point of view. You call people clowns and stupid and I point out that you are close to end of life. So, I guess my point is f*ck you. - Marwood
Why do you need to tell us we dont intimidate you? We are not a clique or go out of our way to gang up on the fragile whiners. You just have a hard time rationalizing outside of that mentality.
Why do you need to tell us we dont intimidate you? We are not a clique or go out of our way to gang up on the fragile whiners. You just have a hard time rationalizing outside of that mentality. - boonerbuck
As you’ve said, drafting has been fantastic for the most part. It’s just all the other stuff that’s negated some of the good that’s been accomplished.
For once, I’d like this franchise to get their poop together and put a consistent product on the ice for more than a season or two. - bloatedmosquito
I'd love for them to make the playoffs for guys like Horvat, Miller, Pettersson and Markstrom, but at the end of the day, the kids Benning and company drafted, the most important core players, are all very young still.
Pettersson - 21
Hughes - 20
Boeser - 23
Virtanen - 23
Gaudette - 23
Demko - 24
Dipietro - 21
Horvat - 25 (just turned a few months ago)
Miller is 27 so he's not young but he's not old either, these guys along with MAYBE Podkolzin and that Swedish kid with the huge legs are the future of the club.
I'd love for them to make the playoffs for guys like Horvat, Miller, Pettersson and Markstrom, but at the end of the day, the kids Benning and company drafted, the most important core players, are all very young still.
Pettersson - 21
Hughes - 20
Boeser - 23
Virtanen - 23
Gaudette - 23
Demko - 24
Dipietro - 21
Horvat - 25 (just turned a few months ago)
Miller is 27 so he's not young but he's not old either, these guys along with MAYBE Podkolzin and that Swedish kid with the huge legs are the future of the club. - Pacificgem
That is pretty much the future of the team . I think it gets ridiculous when people think we can't sign Petey or Hughes.
Kyle Connor , Laine , Brayden Pointe and Tkachuk all sign contracts for 7 mil or less but Hughes and Petey need to sign ones for over 10 mil each according to people here ( not aimed at you)
This is the math that concerns me. It’s really tight to the cap again if we want a full roster. We can hope that LE and SB (frank) off but I don’t think that’s realistic to just assume that will happen.
Those RFAs play significant minutes so you’d hope they aren’t replaced with lesser talent.
Replacing TT, Marky, and CT if not signed to favourable deals will be even more difficult to replace.
It’s not a big deal if we want this team to stay the same or even regress to get a better draft position. But if we want to see this team take a significant step forward (like a top 10 position in the league) then concern is warranted. I think that’s why we see sports journalists and commentators bringing it up. - bloatedmosquito
It's troublesome, but I don't think its a huge issue. There are so many moving parts to all this, especially now if the league is delayed in starting back up and you can bring Podk and Hoglander over early next season.
Trade Sutter, Rous, Benn saves 9.3 million. Loui to Utica is a wash by replacing him with an ELC. Tree signs a cheap deal, Stetch too or you can replace him with Rafferty or Fatty.
That 15 mill is now over 24 million. Venturing a guess that Marky and Tanev will be easier to resign as they want to be here. If Ferland can't play any more, you can wait a few months and then get Podk or Hoglander to come over and slot them in a couple months into the season.
thanks for the info but that stuff doesn't even phase me anymore. i'd be more worried/attentive if you told me 2 people tested positive. - RealityChecker
I very seldom hang there ( I think once for lunch) so I thought it was a quiet area .
It's troublesome, but I don't think its a huge issue. There are so many moving parts to all this, especially now if the league is delayed in starting back up and you can bring Podk and Hoglander over early next season.
Trade Sutter, Rous, Benn saves 9.3 million. Loui to Utica is a wash by replacing him with an ELC. Tree signs a cheap deal, Stetch too or you can replace him with Rafferty or Fatty.
That 15 mill is now over 24 million. Venturing a guess that Marky and Tanev will be easier to resign as they want to be here. If Ferland can't play any more, you can wait a few months and then get Podk or Hoglander to come over and slot them in a couple months into the season. - NewYorkNuck
Canucks do have some young guys also that are really close like Rafferty OJ Briesbois Hoglander an Lind . Even if there are growing pains for a year wh cares.
I do think your lineup that you posted is close to real.
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund Joined: 04.18.2010
Jul 7 @ 12:32 PM ET
That is pretty much the future of the team . I think it gets ridiculous when people think we can't sign Petey or Hughes.
Kyle Connor , Laine , Brayden Pointe and Tkachuk all sign contracts for 7 mil or less but Hughes and Petey need to sign ones for over 10 mil each according to people here ( not aimed at you) - VANTEL
i have no doubt that those players will get signed. no doubt at all that if the team wants them here, they will be.
my problem is that the team is and will be limited in who they will be able to bring in to complement these guys.
my hope (long since gone) was that we would have a team with this type of young talent and available cap space that the team could take a run at top tier UFAs when the time is right. the time is right going forward. it wasn't right for the last 5 years. i never believed in the compete now/re-tool on the fly method. i didn't believe that the team needed high priced mentors but it is what it is.
when people complain about cap management, they are not doing so because they don't believe the core will be re-signed.
It's troublesome, but I don't think its a huge issue. There are so many moving parts to all this, especially now if the league is delayed in starting back up and you can bring Podk and Hoglander over early next season.
Trade Sutter, Rous, Benn saves 9.3 million. Loui to Utica is a wash by replacing him with an ELC. Tree signs a cheap deal, Stetch too or you can replace him with Rafferty or Fatty.
That 15 mill is now over 24 million. Venturing a guess that Marky and Tanev will be easier to resign as they want to be here. If Ferland can't play any more, you can wait a few months and then get Podk or Hoglander to come over and slot them in a couple months into the season. - NewYorkNuck
I wonder if they bring younger guys here sooner if that affects who they expose during the expansion draft. Here are the rules from 2017:
1. Either include a list of seven forwards, three defensemen, and one goaltender OR eight skaters (forwards/defensemen) and one goaltender
2. Players with a "No Movement" clause must be protected if the player does not waive the clause
3. First and second-year professional players and unsigned draft picks are not eligible for the expansion draft and won't need to be protected
4. All other players are eligible for the Expansion Draft
i have no doubt that those players will get signed. no doubt at all that if the team wants them here, they will be.
my problem is that the team is and will be limited in who they will be able to bring in to complement these guys.
my hope (long since gone) was that we would have a team with this type of young talent and available cap space that the team could take a run at top tier UFAs when the time is right. the time is right going forward. it wasn't right for the last 5 years. i never believed in the compete now/re-tool on the fly method. i didn't believe that the team needed high priced mentors but it is what it is.
when people complain about cap management, they are not doing so because they don't believe the core will be re-signed. - RealityChecker
What top tier guys would you want them to sign?
I think the JTM trade could be marked in that category – and he's much more cost controlled than a UFA signing would be. The problem with gunning for top tier UFAs is that mostly those contracts become anchors after a few years. And then you run into complications with those contracts and the young guys coming up and needing to be paid.
I think the Canucks aren't in the best position the next year or two for the cap, but after that they'll be in a fantastic place with money coming off the books, their young core signed, and a couple guys on ELCs. The core will be in their prime at that time as well.
I wonder if they bring younger guys here sooner if that affects who they expose during the expansion draft. Here are the rules from 2017:
1. Either include a list of seven forwards, three defensemen, and one goaltender OR eight skaters (forwards/defensemen) and one goaltender
2. Players with a "No Movement" clause must be protected if the player does not waive the clause 3. First and second-year professional players and unsigned draft picks are not eligible for the expansion draft and won't need to be protected
4. All other players are eligible for the Expansion Draft - bloatedmosquito
From my understanding that clause would protect guys like Hog, Podk, etc.
Could always make a side deal too if they wanted. Not ideal, but an option.
i have no doubt that those players will get signed. no doubt at all that if the team wants them here, they will be.
my problem is that the team is and will be limited in who they will be able to bring in to complement these guys.
my hope (long since gone) was that we would have a team with this type of young talent and available cap space that the team could take a run at top tier UFAs when the time is right. the time is right going forward. it wasn't right for the last 5 years. i never believed in the compete now/re-tool on the fly method. i didn't believe that the team needed high priced mentors but it is what it is.
when people complain about cap management, they are not doing so because they don't believe the core will be re-signed. - RealityChecker
That is fine.
They brought in Miller with cap space , they added Tofolli with cap space. That is two very significant pieces. The jury is still out on Myers. Some days yay some days nay. Let's see what a healthy Ferland does.
Some people hate Sutter ( I don't ) but Bo says he has been the biggest influence to him. You will never get everyone to agree on things except Loui .
I look at what teams like Arizona and the Ducks have done with their cap . I like our team better than theirs.
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund Joined: 04.18.2010
Jul 7 @ 12:47 PM ET
What top tier guys would you want them to sign?
I think the JTM trade could be marked in that category – and he's much more cost controlled than a UFA signing would be. The problem with gunning for top tier UFAs is that mostly those contracts become anchors after a few years. And then you run into complications with those contracts and the young guys coming up and needing to be paid.
I think the Canucks aren't in the best position the next year or two for the cap, but after that they'll be in a fantastic place with money coming off the books, their young core signed, and a couple guys on ELCs. The core will be in their prime at that time as well. - NewYorkNuck
when i said that they should take a run at top tier UFAs, i wasn't thinking of anyone in particular. my sentiment is that they should not be limited by cap space.
as a younger team moving to playoff contender, i wanted a team that would be able to look at any player on the market and decide whether they wanted/needed him. i just don't think that the cap should be a factor this early in the team's development.
even though i did not like the JTM trade (i still wouldn't have done it), i agree that it has worked out very, very well for the team.
with how benning has managed the cap for his entire tenure, i'm not confident that there will be a lot of space in the next couple of years as he'll find ways to fill it up.
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund Joined: 04.18.2010
Jul 7 @ 1:00 PM ET
MLS games being postponed. There is a real question if they can get this going ( thinking hockey might be the same.) - VANTEL
mls situation is a bit different (or a warning depending on how you look at it.)
a bunch of players (8-10) from one team (dallas) tested positive before leaving dallas and entering the bubble. the league/team decided to pull the entire team from the tournament.
so as long as teams can get to the bubble without (a lot of) positive tests, they could be fine.
...on the other hand, this shows that if 1 guy on a team gets it, it could spread very, very quickly. one team that can't play effectively demolishes the house of cards.
mls situation is a bit different (or a warning depending on how you look at it.)
a bunch of players (8-10) from one team (dallas) tested positive before leaving dallas and entering the bubble. the league/team decided to pull the entire team from the tournament.
so as long as teams can get to the bubble without (a lot of) positive tests, they could be fine.
...on the other hand, this shows that if 1 guy on a team gets it, it could spread very, very quickly. one team that can't play effectively demolishes the house of cards. - RealityChecker
The NHL is doing things a lot better than the other major leagues .
mls situation is a bit different (or a warning depending on how you look at it.)
a bunch of players (8-10) from one team (dallas) tested positive before leaving dallas and entering the bubble. the league/team decided to pull the entire team from the tournament.
so as long as teams can get to the bubble without (a lot of) positive tests, they could be fine.
...on the other hand, this shows that if 1 guy on a team gets it, it could spread very, very quickly. one team that can't play effectively demolishes the house of cards. - RealityChecker
My personal opinion, which packaged with a toonie will get you a cup of cheap coffee, is that it's only a matter of time before one or more teams will get a massive outbreak once they're all brought to their hub cities.
I know hockey players, 50% of them are NOT going to sit idle in their rooms for months on end, someone is going to go out and get infected.
My personal opinion, which packaged with a toonie will get you a cup of cheap coffee, is that it's only a matter of time before one or more teams will get a massive outbreak once they're all brought to their hub cities.
I know hockey players, 50% of them are NOT going to sit idle in their rooms for months on end, someone is going to go out and get infected. - Pacificgem
Where do you stand on the restart? I ask because two weeks ago when 10 000 cases were reported in FLA in one day you did come back and say yeah but 9 998 of them will be fine. I am not disagreeing because most will be fine I think.
I am caught in the middle . I see Auston Matthews report positive and no further word.
I find it hard to say to shut it down but then I can see shut it down
In the States they are now getting 100 000 cases a day but not shutting things down .
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund Joined: 04.18.2010
Jul 7 @ 1:41 PM ET
My personal opinion, which packaged with a toonie will get you a cup of cheap coffee, is that it's only a matter of time before one or more teams will get a massive outbreak once they're all brought to their hub cities.
I know hockey players, 50% of them are NOT going to sit idle in their rooms for months on end, someone is going to go out and get infected. - Pacificgem
there's no way that young millionaire athletes will stay in the bubble rather than hunt puck bunnies.
vantel will like this reference: this is the nhl's version of "the bet."
