I see both sides of it, and I’m fully prepared for the inevitable changes when they happen...I feel it’s only a matter of time, and I really am ok with that.

Funny though, Chicago Blackhawks....both Words are Native American in origin, funny that I’ve not heard anyone suggest the city of Chicago change it’s name.
- Ogilthorpe2

Good point about Chicago.

Bob McKenzie reporting that 3 games per day will be played in each hub city at 12 noon, 4pm, and 8pm local time. The round robin games featuring the top 4 conference teams will be played in the 4pm slot with regular season OT/shoot out rules. Other games will play to post season OT rules- keep playing until a team scores - so the 4 and 8pm start times may be effected if the noon games go in to lengthy OT.

6 games in each round robin series and anywhere from 18 to 30 games in the 6 best of 5 series in each conference = 24 to 30 games. 1st round will be over in 8 to 10 days once games begin.

Edit - total possible games in each conference is 24 to 36 and will take 8 to 12 days.

I'm curious about the standard for a name change of a sports team. I'm of Irish descent. The Notre Dame teams are the Fighting Irish, and the mascot is often posed in a fighting stance. Back when the Irish first came to America they were depicted as dirty, unwashed, drunken morons. The mascot bothers me not one bit. It does bother a few of Irish heritage, though. What percentage need to be bothered to result in a change? 1%? 5%? 25? 50%? 75%

This leads to another question. Who gets to decide on setting the "proper" standard? Fans of the team? Fans of rival teams? Corporate honchos in board rooms?

Ha! You as well Mo -- if I had the time I'd find a way to photoshop my image and put a mask on the Led's mug.

Skating for the 1st time in 4 months this week after our Spring/Summer league was canceled. Of course, everyone has to sign a waiver and it will be interesting to see how it all plays out. No league play yet - they're saying in the fall but I'm thinking it's not gonna happen.

As it is, we have to come dressed (no locker use) with mask on, put skates on and head out to the ice. Afterwards, head out the back door of the rink after taking off skates and I guess get undressed in the parking lot!

- savvyone-1

Me too. You wouldn't happen to be playing at Addison Ice Arena would you?

The Wild Onion community is very unorganized and not very vocal.

The sports teams are / were named after people - either generic (Redskins, Indians, Fighting Sioux...) or individuals (Black Hawks...).

I’m in the “inevitable” column, too - I’d prefer it didn’t happen, but I’m not a Native American....
- StLBravesFan

Times article: https://www.nytimes.com/2...khawks-stand-by-logo.html

Quote from article: The Blackhawks work with some Native American groups in the Chicago area to promote awareness and education, but some argue that the funds the team provides to these groups is a way to silence more criticism. Heather Miller, the executive director of the American Indian Center in Chicago, said that when she took over three years ago she refused to accept the contributions.
“All money is dirty money,” she said, “but Blackhawks money is especially dirty money to me.”

She added that she was not surprised by the announcement and expected a long, tough fight over the team’s name.

This ain’t goin’ away.

Times article: https://www.nytimes.com/2...khawks-stand-by-logo.html

Quote from article: The Blackhawks work with some Native American groups in the Chicago area to promote awareness and education, but some argue that the funds the team provides to these groups is a way to silence more criticism. Heather Miller, the executive director of the American Indian Center in Chicago, said that when she took over three years ago she refused to accept the contributions.
“All money is dirty money,” she said, “but Blackhawks money is especially dirty money to me.”

She added that she was not surprised by the announcement and expected a long, tough fight over the team’s name.

This ain’t goin’ away.
- StLBravesFan

If they don't financially help the community, how are they portrayed?

Do they accept the money?

Interesting quote, this one is......"all money is dirty money" ? Is casino money dirty money? It does prey on people with gambling problems.

Me too. You wouldn't happen to be playing at Addison Ice Arena would you?
- Rota's Rooter

Savvy plays on a rink in Leddy's yard.

If they don't financially help the community, how are they portrayed?

Do they accept the money?

Interesting quote, this one is......"all money is dirty money" ? Is casino money dirty money? It does prey on people with gambling problems.
- mohel

Mo with a haymaker

Mo with a haymaker
- 6628

It's the Irish in me, 66. I woke up and had a 12 pack.....

Savvy plays on a rink in Leddy's yard.
- mohel

No.
It's actually a rink in Rozy's yard. But no lifters allowed there. Rozy doesn't want another broken ankle.

Rooter: real rink is West Meadows (Rolling Meadows).
My helmet fits.
Use the "grip" sticks so no dropped sticks either.
I do skate with an iron lung tho.

If they don't financially help the community, how are they portrayed?

Do they accept the money?

Interesting quote, this one is......"all money is dirty money" ? Is casino money dirty money? It does prey on people with gambling problems.
- mohel

I’m on record here (and “the other place”) many times as saying I hope it doesn’t happen - but I’m resigned to it’s very possible inevitability (if something inevitable can be only “possible”) and that I understand the other side of this.

If we lived in a different society - if we had listen to the more moderate voices in the past century-plus (or in the 52 years since Dr. King’s and Robert Kennedy’s deaths) we wouldn’t have so many extreme voices now, and the hockey team’s logo wouldn’t be an issue.

But we don’t, and we didn’t, and it is, and here we are.

I’m on record here (and “the other place”) many times as saying I hope it doesn’t happen - but I’m resigned to it’s very possible inevitability (if something inevitable can be only “possible”) and that I understand the other side of this.

If we lived in a different society - if we had listen to the more moderate voices in the past century-plus (or in the 52 years since Dr. King’s and Robert Kennedy’s deaths) we wouldn’t have so many extreme voices now, and the hockey team’s logo wouldn’t be an issue.

But we don’t, and we didn’t, and here we are.
- StLBravesFan

Here we are, indeed. The questions above are still out there to be answered. Or do we just let the extremes do what they will?

Here we are, indeed. The questions above are still out there to be answered. Or do we just let the extremes do what they will?
- mohel

My last comment, so I don’t get accused of fomenting trouble on a hockey board:

Those who disagree with you and / or me are not necessarily - or at all predominantly - extremists.

No.
It's actually a rink in Rozy's yard. But no lifters allowed there. Rozy doesn't want another broken ankle.

Rooter: real rink is West Meadows (Rolling Meadows).
My helmet fits.
Use the "grip" sticks so no dropped sticks either.
I do skate with an iron lung tho.
- savvyone-1

I hear you. I'm willing to kick in an extra sawbuck a session just to have oxygen tanks on the bench.

I see both sides of it, and I’m fully prepared for the inevitable changes when they happen...I feel it’s only a matter of time, and I really am ok with that.

Funny though, Chicago Blackhawks....both Words are Native American in origin, funny that I’ve not heard anyone suggest the city of Chicago change it’s name.
- Ogilthorpe2

Yep, the Native American term "Illinois" needs to be changed first.

My last comment, so I don’t get accused of fomenting trouble on a hockey board:

Those who disagree with you and / or me are not necessarily - or at all predominantly - extremists.
- StLBravesFan

The potential name change is inevitably a political issue. The question remains - how many need to be offended to require a name change?

At the end of the day, it is a business decision. If 95% are against the name change, but not enough to quit watching or spending, the 5% will end up winning. If a lot of season ticket holders tell the Hawks they are gone if they change the name, the 5% will lose. I suspect the team has heard more of the latter so far, given their recent statement.

The silver lining with Kalynuk is that he has addressed two common concerns with D prospects: can they actually play defense and can they keep up with the rugged aspects of hockey.

He has shown to be a responsible defender in college and has dedicated himself to getting stronger in addition to naturally maturing physically. How will that translate to the pros is the next question.

Contrast that with highly rated yet controversial Sharks D prospect Merkley. Putting aside allegations of being a bad apple, he has been highly criticized for not caring about committing to defense.

I dont think an NHL team just approaches Kalynuk and offers a contract unless they feel there is upside and that upside is derived from the entire package they have seen as a college player.
Don't dismiss that college year where he was a double digit minus, but that takes more research on each any every goal he was on the ice for.

I think that you weren't comparing Merkley and his supposed laissez faire attitude and his talking back to coaching staff...or is there some Kalynuk incident you are privy to?

Jeremie Poirier is one blueliner I hope the Hawks steer clear of in the draft. He could go late 1st round or in the 2nd but I've read reports on him not caring one iota about his own end.
- AEL_Fox

I agree on all points!



Jeremie Poirier is a Quebec league phenom, offensively, but when I see the two guys at the Athletic having him getting drafted mid-first, it tells me they need to watch more of him, because he isn't going to "learn" and commit to defense, because he has to be aware and and positionally be there TO attempt too defend.

That doesn't mean a team with a few first rounders wouldn't take the chance like Quebec or Montreal with lots of pick in the first couple...
...and all this leads us back to a discussion on, what if the Blackhawks lose the play in, lose the lottery and are sitting around slot ten and the defenseman Sanderson is sitting there?
Because now on my DraftSite board I have them reaching around him and taking a forward as a need.

The Wild Onion community is very unorganized and not very vocal.

The sports teams are / were named after people - either generic (Redskins, Indians, Fighting Sioux...) or individuals (Black Hawks...).

I’m in the “inevitable” column, too - I’d prefer it didn’t happen, but I’m not a Native American....
- StLBravesFan

The team is not named after a person, it is named after an Army unit that the owner at the time was in. This is how crap starts, uneducated people start thinking they know all.

I agree on all points!



Jeremie Poirier is a Quebec league phenom, offensively, but when I see the two guys at the Athletic having him getting drafted mid-first, it tells me they need to watch more of him, because he isn't going to "learn" and commit to defense, because he has to be aware and and positionally be there TO attempt too defend.

That doesn't mean a team with a few first rounders wouldn't take the chance like Quebec or Montreal with lots of pick in the first couple...
...and all this leads us back to a discussion on, what if the Blackhawks lose the play in, lose the lottery and are sitting around slot ten and the defenseman Sanderson is sitting there?
Because now on my DraftSite board I have them reaching around him and taking a forward as a need.
- wiz1901

Any chance the Hawks trade the pick for a high-end prospect who is closer to the show?

Any chance the Hawks trade the pick for a high-end prospect who is closer to the show?
- mohel

un likely with the cap flat you need a high end prospect that is 4 years away from needing a 2nd deal. Like Boquist 1 year in Minors then NHL. look at all the young guys that are going to need to deals in 2 years? Dach, boquist Mitchell.

The team is not named after a person, it is named after an Army unit that the owner at the time was in. This is how crap starts, uneducated people start thinking they know all.
- powerenforcer

Which was named after....

I know exactly how the team was named: after the Black Hawk Division of the 86th Infantry, by Col. McLaughlin.

I know exactly how the Indianhead logo began: with major input from (if not complete creation by) Irene Castle, the famous dancer married to Col. McLaughlin.

And I know where the Colonel got his money: "McLaughlin's Manor House Coffee".

Be careful when throwing around personal insults.

I agree on all points!



Jeremie Poirier is a Quebec league phenom, offensively, but when I see the two guys at the Athletic having him getting drafted mid-first, it tells me they need to watch more of him, because he isn't going to "learn" and commit to defense, because he has to be aware and and positionally be there TO attempt too defend.

That doesn't mean a team with a few first rounders wouldn't take the chance like Quebec or Montreal with lots of pick in the first couple...
...and all this leads us back to a discussion on, what if the Blackhawks lose the play in, lose the lottery and are sitting around slot ten and the defenseman Sanderson is sitting there?
Because now on my DraftSite board I have them reaching around him and taking a forward as a need.
- wiz1901

Thanks, Wiz.

Yes, my comparison of Kalynuk and Merkley was that the Sharks prospect has a documented attitude problem. By all accounts, seems like Kalynuk is well liked and commits to whatever coaches ask of him.

The silver lining with Kalynuk is that he has addressed two common concerns with D prospects: can they actually play defense and can they keep up with the rugged aspects of hockey.

He has shown to be a responsible defender in college and has dedicated himself to getting stronger in addition to naturally maturing physically. How will that translate to the pros is the next question.

Contrast that with highly rated yet controversial Sharks D prospect Merkley. Putting aside allegations of being a bad apple, he has been highly criticized for not caring about commiting to defense.

Jeremie Poirier is one blueliner I hope the Hawks steer clear of in the draft. He could go late 1st round or in the 2nd but I've read reports on him not caring one iota about his own end.
- AEL_Fox

I start with the assessment of a prospects skating, especially d-men. If they don't skate well enough, it limits their effectiveness regardless how conscientious they are of their defensive responsibilities. Playing great positional and anticipatory defense can mitigate poor skating, but only to a point. Great skating doesn't eliminate the requirements of positional and situational awareness, but it can elevate a d-man from a 3rd pairing ceiling to a 2nd or even 1st pairing ceiling.

I've seen only a couple comments on his skating and both were positive which is why I'm excited and hopeful the Hawks may have secured a pretty good prospect.

Funny this business did not go under after shutting down in 2005.If I had a business raking in the money the NHL dose I would not be rushing back in well the pandemic is still raging on . And in the name of the public good My business would not to be putting undue pressure on testing and PPE need elsewhere to save life's .
This tournament in the middle of the summer in empty arenas playing 3 games a day with no travel or home ice advantage or disadvantage starting 5 months after play ended is not a NHL playoff and is not worthy of a Stanley Cup presentation . They should dig up the old Canada Cup and present that be much more appropriate .Bettman and his greedy owners have been selling out any integrity the NHL ever had for cheap gimmicks and corporate shmucks .
- oldduffman

The economy wasn't (frank)ed from a pandemic in 2005. Jesus christ you're a whiny female dog. Maybe don't follow something if you don't like? Genius

The team is not named after a person, it is named after an Army unit that the owner at the time was in. This is how crap starts, uneducated people start thinking they know all.
- powerenforcer

Some "educated" people on this board accept their own narrative as truth. So devious because they are able to differentiate, yet purposefully obfuscate in order to blur distinctions. Continually stoking the embers to enact changes they seek. Think they're cute.