You could be right I have no insides info at all .History though says they have shut it down before and the only ones that paid for that were the players . After the rating came in for the NFL draft seem to spark Bettmans drive to play some hockey and grab some market share as the only game in town . I believe Bettman is trying to make hey on the back of a human tragedy and I find that disgusting .
- oldduffman

The players received all but one paycheck this season.

Anyway, the players and owners are in the same financial boat these days. Been that way for 10+ years now. If they don't finish this year, they will both take a financial hit.

So if you had the choice to just let your business go under or try move on in the world we live in today you'd just let your business die? If it really bothers you that much, don't watch.
- GPHawksfan

I think he just hates the owners.

The players received all but one paycheck this season.

Anyway, the players and owners are in the same financial boat these days. Been that way for 10+ years now. If they don't finish this year, they will both take a financial hit.
- mohel

At this point, the season moving forward is just as much on the players as it is the league and owners. The PA has just as much power to stop this as the league. From what I've heard (about a week ago), players have the option to not play if they do not feel safe. I'm not sure if that is still an option or if there is any penalty involved if a player chooses not to play.

At this point, the season moving forward is just as much on the players as it is the league and owners. The PA has just as much power to stop this as the league. From what I've heard (about a week ago), players have the option to not play if they do not feel safe. I'm not sure if that is still an option or if there is any penalty involved if a player chooses not to play.
- Chunk

I believe that is true. But on a macro level.....

The players have so far received far more money ($150M or so) than their split calls for under the cba. This is so because the players are paid during the regular season, while a big portion of hrr is received from the playoffs. At the end of the year a transaction is done that ensures the players and owners split the hrr. The more TV revenue they can generate in the remainder of the season, the less money the players will be in the hole for this season (and the less they'll have to pay back).

I believe that is true. But on a macro level.....

The players have so far received far more money ($150M or so) than their split calls for under the cba. This is so because the players are paid during the regular season, while a big portion of hrr is received from the playoffs. At the end of the year a transaction is done that ensures the players and owners split the hrr. The more TV revenue they can generate in the remainder of the season, the less money the players will be in the hole for this season (and the less they'll have to pay back).
- mohel

I think the new CBA allows for repaying that over future years, not all at once.

Plus they held back their last paycheck this season (now) to help repay that debt.

Also - individual players could opt out of the new season within 72 hours after the new CBA is ratified.

Until Stan trades him for disappointing picks and prospects.
- DarthKane

Did Ville Pokka suddenly become available again?

I think the new CBA allows for repaying that over future years, not all at once.

Plus they held back their last paycheck this season (now) to help repay that debt.

Also - individual players could opt out of the new season within 72 hours after the new CBA is ratified.
- StLBravesFan

But they do still have a debt, and it will be larger if there's no more hockey related revenue this season. Is that how you understand it?

Did Ville Pokka suddenly become available again?
- savvyone-1

I was hoping the Leddy mention would draw you out. Hope you're well, Savvy.

If Seabs can lift his arm over his head,.it will be big improvement. The worse is they have to LTIR. He is either useful by playing or.gaining some cap space with some finagaling. Bright side. It will piss off other fan bases.

I was hoping the Leddy mention would draw you out. Hope you're well, Savvy.
- mohel

Ha! You as well Mo -- if I had the time I'd find a way to photoshop my image and put a mask on the Led's mug.

Skating for the 1st time in 4 months this week after our Spring/Summer league was canceled. Of course, everyone has to sign a waiver and it will be interesting to see how it all plays out. No league play yet - they're saying in the fall but I'm thinking it's not gonna happen.

As it is, we have to come dressed (no locker use) with mask on, put skates on and head out to the ice. Afterwards, head out the back door of the rink after taking off skates and I guess get undressed in the parking lot!

Did Ville Pokka suddenly become available again?
- savvyone-1

Still waiting for.Leddy to be better than Keith. Lol

But they do still have a debt, and it will be larger if there's no more hockey related revenue this season. Is that how you understand it?
- mohel

I’m not sure. I don’t know what the marginal revenue would be from playing, either in extra TV money or TV money not clawed back by the networks. I don’t know what other revenues would be generated.

I would think there would be some kind of additional HRR generated by restarting the season, but whether that would offset the “playoff pool” the players would get (I think that’s part of the players’ 50%) - I have no idea.

Ha! You as well Mo -- if I had the time I'd find a way to photoshop my image and put a mask on the Led's mug.

Skating for the 1st time in 4 months this week after our Spring/Summer league was canceled. Of course, everyone has to sign a waiver and it will be interesting to see how it all plays out. No league play yet - they're saying in the fall but I'm thinking it's not gonna happen.

As it is, we have to come dressed (no locker use) with mask on, put skates on and head out to the ice. Afterwards, head out the back door of the rink after taking off skates and I guess get undressed in the parking lot!

- savvyone-1

Good deal. Glad you're back out there. Guy I know is in a beer league; he just told me a similar thing.

Players’ desire to resume the NHL season is driven by revenue losses. https://www-milehighhocke...turning-to-the-ice-season

NHL commissioner Gary Bettman claims “monetization is not what’s driving us,” but monetization is key to the league’s return to play plan. https://amp-awfulannounci...%20partir%20de%20%251%24s[url]

I plaayed with Lex Tiahnybik a goalie who was hearing impaired. Stan befriended Lex and his father Irv (family owns Leon’s sausage), and started th Stan Mikita hockey school for the death. Stan didn’t just lend his name, he poured his heart and soul in the Endeavor.

http://www.ahiha.org/
- LAHawk

Might want to change the D word to deaf.

So if you had the choice to just let your business go under or try move on in the world we live in today you'd just let your business die? If it really bothers you that much, don't watch.
- GPHawksfan

Exactly.

Also digging deeper we do know there may be information not made available yet insofar as the relationship between the games played or not played and the payment of revenue derived from the broadcast.

I have not come across the pertinent details of network cable contract (s) which may have a tie in with the owners financial commitment. There may be an obligation to play the games which are televised. It is one thing to loose money via ticket sales, and it is even greater burden to loose or repay monies from cable contract(s).

I’m not sure. I don’t know what the marginal revenue would be from playing, either in extra TV money or TV money not clawed back by the networks. I don’t know what other revenues would be generated.

I would think there would be some kind of additional HRR generated by restarting the season, but whether that would offset the “playoff pool” the players would get (I think that’s part of the players’ 50%) - I have no idea.
- StLBravesFan

Read an article the other day that said league revenue for the season stands at 3.8B with the players salaries at 2.5B (don't know if that 2.5B is before or after escrow withholding.) Resumption of the expanded playoffs is supposed to bring in another 400M in revenue. With no paying fans that 400M has to come from broadcasting I assume.

So if you had the choice to just let your business go under or try move on in the world we live in today you'd just let your business die? If it really bothers you that much, don't watch.
- GPHawksfan

The way i understand it the players will lose their escrow if they don't hit certain numbers, so Google says 11.5% to be lost by the players, other than front office employees what costs do these hockey owners incur? Equipment is provided by sponsors, arenas are owned by cities, so?

So is that about $9 million dollars sitting there?

The way i understand it the players will lose their escrow if they don't hit certain numbers, so Google says 11.5% to be lost by the players, other than front office employees what costs do these hockey owners incur? Equipment is provided by sponsors, arenas are owned by cities, so?

So is that about $9 million dollars sitting there?
- BetweenTheDots

The more i think about it though it's got to be tough running a franchise in a non hockey city, like Arizona, Florida, Carolina

Back to Wyatt Kalynuk. Lazerus had an article on him at the Athletic. Says some scouts compare him to Leddy. He was the captain at Wisconsin his junior year - last year - and QBd the PP. 7G and 21A in 36 games last season.

Read an article the other day that said league revenue for the season stands at 3.8B with the players salaries at 2.5B (don't know if that 2.5B is before or after escrow withholding.) Resumption of the expanded playoffs is supposed to bring in another 400M in revenue. With no paying fans that 400M has to come from broadcasting I assume.
- boilermaker100

Assuming this is accurate - and I have no reason to think otherwise - hrr would climb to $4.2B. Half of that is $2.1B, which means the players still owe $400M to the owners (minus the amount of the forfeited last paycheck).

Without the additional revenue, the players would owe the owners $600M.

This shutdown cost some big money.

Back to Wyatt Kalynuk. Lazerus had an article on him at the Athletic. Says some scouts compare him to Leddy. He was the captain at Wisconsin his junior year - last year - and QBd the PP. 7G and 21A in 36 games last season.
- boilermaker100

I thought he was supposed to be defensively responsible?

Back to Wyatt Kalynuk. Lazerus had an article on him at the Athletic. Says some scouts compare him to Leddy. He was the captain at Wisconsin his junior year - last year - and QBd the PP. 7G and 21A in 36 games last season.
- boilermaker100

I vaguely recall being impressed with his mobility when checking out Ess. Either way, its a freebie that I am sure the scouts have seen enough from him to be worth a contract spot. Another guy with leadership qualities that the Hawks seem to favor.

The way i understand it the players will lose their escrow if they don't hit certain numbers, so Google says 11.5% to be lost by the players, other than front office employees what costs do these hockey owners incur? Equipment is provided by sponsors, arenas are owned by cities, so?

So is that about $9 million dollars sitting there?
- BetweenTheDots

Costs
- Travel via private jet charters
- Lodging at 5 star hotels while on the road
- Per diem for each player while on the road
- Rent for using city owned arenas and other practice facilities

Probably missed some.

I thought he was supposed to be defensively responsible?
- mohel

The real question is...how does his helmet fit?