I've got Doug Wilson with M.E Vlasic and Erik Karlsson on line 1...

EK: signed through age 37 with a dodgy ankle (a detriment to the one thing that makes him elite) at $11.5M/yr.

MEV: Signed through age 39 with a $7M/yr hit.

I'm not saying Seab's deal is good. I've railed on it many times myself. But it is not the worst. Not mention he had three major surgeries to fix significant lingering problems. While I'm not expecting a vast improvement, it is not out of the picture that he has notable resurgence.
- Chunk

I agree with this assessment. Seabrook can still make that first pass with the best of them, if the surgeries improve his mobility some he will again be an asset. When he was signed to this last contract, Seabrook was the only talented physical defenseman on the team, so he was basically a must sign. The problem was the term, not the dollars.

I've said many times Steve Young replaced Montana, Tomzack Harbaugh and Fuller replaced McMahon, give the Bears Young and SF the "Three Stooges" and see what the Super Bowl ledger looks like... Young and those Bears defenses, Colliton could have coached the Bears and won.
- rpeters01

I think by the time Young was up and running, the Bears had already dismantled a good portion of the D, no? You're overall point is dead on. Having even a competent QB would have done wonders.

I've got Doug Wilson with M.E Vlasic and Erik Karlsson on line 1...

EK: signed through age 37 with a dodgy ankle (a detriment to the one thing that makes him elite) at $11.5M/yr.

MEV: Signed through age 39 with a $7M/yr hit.

I'm not saying Seab's deal is good. I've railed on it many times myself. But it is not the worst. Not mention he had three major surgeries to fix significant lingering problems. While I'm not expecting a vast improvement, it is not out of the picture that he has notable resurgence.
- Chunk

Add in Burns, who is 35, at $8M for 6 years.

I've got Doug Wilson with M.E Vlasic and Erik Karlsson on line 1...

EK: signed through age 37 with a dodgy ankle (a detriment to the one thing that makes him elite) at $11.5M/yr.

MEV: Signed through age 39 with a $7M/yr hit.

I'm not saying Seab's deal is good. I've railed on it many times myself. But it is not the worst. Not mention he had three major surgeries to fix significant lingering problems. While I'm not expecting a vast improvement, it is not out of the picture that he has notable resurgence.
- Chunk

The Wild with Parise and Suter's contract are right up there. Another Stan fail

https://www.nbcsports.com...ns-parise-suter-sign-wild

I've got Doug Wilson with M.E Vlasic and Erik Karlsson on line 1...

EK: signed through age 37 with a dodgy ankle (a detriment to the one thing that makes him elite) at $11.5M/yr.

MEV: Signed through age 39 with a $7M/yr hit.

I'm not saying Seab's deal is good. I've railed on it many times myself. But it is not the worst. Not mention he had three major surgeries to fix significant lingering problems. While I'm not expecting a vast improvement, it is not out of the picture that he has notable resurgence.
- Chunk

Any team that has been good will have at least one. "Unable to part with the past" or simply misjudgement.

Not to get overly excited about yet, I’ve heard

Any scout would say to take “a flyer” on him due to the way he reads plays and so smooth skating. More I’ve heard: And the kid has come a ways put in the time, needed to be stronger. But he needs AHL time. Learn to take the five foot pass on break out.

I go with the comment AEL_FoX made. Shea’s out but take a long look at another dman.
- jhawk59

Nick Leddy 2.0.

Read the write up this morning from Lazerus in the Athletic. Better to have more kicks at the can and if too many of them happen to prove NHL worthy, it's a good problem to have.
- HawkintheD

Agree HiD. The Hawks now have a pretty impressive stable of D prospects. They are a little light at forward prospects, but if these D prospects do develop giving the Hawks extra depth at D, that depth can be turned into forward depth talent. It's NEVER a bad thing to have talent. And the Hawks prospect pipeline, after being weak a couple years is starting to look much stronger.

Nick Leddy 2.0.
- DarthKane

I sure would not complain if that is his upside.

I sure would not complain if that is his upside.
- kwolf68

Until Stan trades him for disappointing picks and prospects.

Agree HiD. The Hawks now have a pretty impressive stable of D prospects. They are a little light at forward prospects, but if these D prospects do develop giving the Hawks extra depth at D, that depth can be turned into forward depth talent. It's NEVER a bad thing to have talent. And the Hawks prospect pipeline, after being weak a couple years is starting to look much stronger.
- kwolf68

Agree on d prospects being strong. The forward prospects, so to speak, are already playing in the big club. Some would disagree. I don't see us competing for awhile, hopefully some skilled forwards fall to us in the drafts. There are always options of trading from strength to fill holes on the roster. Definitely something to look out for.

How have you & the family been, Wolfie?

Until Stan trades him for disappointing picks and prospects.
- DarthKane

Well to be fair Stan did that with Leddy, but the fact he GOT Leddy (for nothing) was a good move. This time Stan will do the good move and not do the bad move, although then us Hawks fans won't have anything to complain about.

Agree on d prospects being strong. The forward prospects, so to speak, are already playing in the big club. Some would disagree. I don't see us competing for awhile, hopefully some skilled forwards fall to us in the drafts. There are always options of trading from strength to fill holes on the roster. Definitely something to look out for.

How have you & the family been, Wolfie?
- I Am The Breadman

Been good Bread. Just surviving. Put my son on a plane to Minnesota Sunday for a AAA camp, so we are still trying to live life best we can. He reported to me that he had a competition against a player on the US women's Olympic team and he lost both times. So far, no issues here, life and job going good, and safe, trying to do everything right. So lucky so far, hope you and yours are well.

BTW-I am a bit more optimistic on the Hawks foreseeable future. If it was going to be a few years before competing as you think then I would suggest trading any proven veteran, Keith, Toews, Kane, anyone. Why waste more years of their career if we are not going to compete? Since I do not believe the Hawks are THAT far off I am NOT in favor of trading any of those guys. Color me optimistic.

I've got Doug Wilson with M.E Vlasic and Erik Karlsson on line 1...

EK: signed through age 37 with a dodgy ankle (a detriment to the one thing that makes him elite) at $11.5M/yr.

MEV: Signed through age 39 with a $7M/yr hit.

I'm not saying Seab's deal is good. I've railed on it many times myself. But it is not the worst. Not mention he had three major surgeries to fix significant lingering problems. While I'm not expecting a vast improvement, it is not out of the picture that he has notable resurgence.
- Chunk

the one problem with the surgeries are. How many people come back after shoulder and Hip Surgeries and are as good as they were before? its kind of like back surgery don't do it till the very end because it help a liitle but you will almost never be back to normal. not like broken bones, Elbow, Knee etc

Been good Bread. Just surviving. Put my son on a plane to Minnesota Sunday for a AAA camp, so we are still trying to live life best we can. He reported to me that he had a competition against a player on the US women's Olympic team and he lost both times. So far, no issues here, life and job going good, and safe, trying to do everything right. So lucky so far, hope you and yours are well.

BTW-I am a bit more optimistic on the Hawks foreseeable future. If it was going to be a few years before competing as you think then I would suggest trading any proven veteran, Keith, Toews, Kane, anyone. Why waste more years of their career if we are not going to compete? Since I do not believe the Hawks are THAT far off I am NOT in favor of trading any of those guys. Color me optimistic.
- kwolf68

Good to hear. Doing just fine.

Our vets don't necessarily have moveable contracts, especially with the cap being stagnant. I don't want them moved anyways. I'll be happy if they retire as hawks. I'll always root for hawks, but my optimism comes with being realistic. They were at the bottom of their division. Down year for some & I have no clue how contracts, buyouts, or bounce backs/slumps play out. I don't think we see the S. C. lifted this year. I guess I'm expecting the same, but hoping for the best.

Good to hear. Doing just fine.

Our vets don't necessarily have moveable contracts, especially with the cap being stagnant. I don't want them moved anyways. I'll be happy if they retire as hawks. I'll always root for hawks, but my optimism comes with being realistic. They were at the bottom of their division. Down year for some & I have no clue how contracts, buyouts, or bounce backs/slumps play out. I don't think we see the S. C. lifted this year. I guess I'm expecting the same, but hoping for the best.
- I Am The Breadman

Good take, no real arguments though I don't think we see things completely the same. And you are right, for most of 2019 the Hawks looked like crap, but DCat and Strome were struggling while losing DeHaan was also a blow. I know every team has slumping players and injuries so not sure how much difference it makes

Good to hear. Doing just fine.

Our vets don't necessarily have moveable contracts, especially with the cap being stagnant. I don't want them moved anyways. I'll be happy if they retire as hawks. I'll always root for hawks, but my optimism comes with being realistic. They were at the bottom of their division. Down year for some & I have no clue how contracts, buyouts, or bounce backs/slumps play out. I don't think we see the S. C. lifted this year. I guess I'm expecting the same, but hoping for the best.
- I Am The Breadman

Hello, Bread. The cap will be stagnant for a couple years and most teams are near it. Trades in the next couple years will mostly need to have equal cap hits on both sides.

Hello, Bread. The cap will be stagnant for a couple years and most teams are near it. Trades in the next couple years will mostly need to have equal cap hits on both sides.
- mohel

Yeah, I know about the cap situation & the trades to expect. Tit for tat, I guess. I'll admit I'm not up to date on all teams with contracts getting re-upped or whose expires or just bought out. Cap management will be interesting to see. Some teams just always seem to be screwed & pressed against it. Pit, Tor, & Tbl come to mind quickly.

Yeah, I know about the cap situation & the trades to expect. Tit for tat, I guess. I'll admit I'm not up to date on all teams with contracts getting re-upped or whose expires or just bought out. Cap management will be interesting to see. Some teams just always seem to be screwed & pressed against it. Pit, Tor, & Tbl come to mind quickly.
- I Am The Breadman

Pittsburgh is fine, some team will be happy to take their dead weight and give them young talent in return.

Yeah, I know about the cap situation & the trades to expect. Tit for tat, I guess. I'll admit I'm not up to date on all teams with contracts getting re-upped or whose expires or just bought out. Cap management will be interesting to see. Some teams just always seem to be screwed & pressed against it. Pit, Tor, & Tbl come to mind quickly.
- I Am The Breadman

Most likely crap for crap.

Good teams eventually get cap problems.

Pittsburgh is fine, some team will be happy to take their dead weight and give them young talent in return.
- kwolf68

Very few, if any, teams will have the space for those deals in the next couple years.

Most likely crap for crap.

Good teams eventually get cap problems.
- mohel

Definitely. We at least won 3 cups. Good teams with cap issues & no cups, much different story.

the one problem with the surgeries are. How many people come back after shoulder and Hip Surgeries and are as good as they were before? its kind of like back surgery don't do it till the very end because it help a liitle but you will almost never be back to normal. not like broken bones, Elbow, Knee etc
- kmw4631

I have no idea. As I said, I'm not expecting a huge turnaround by him, but it is not out of the realm of possibilities. I'm more hopeful than anything else.

The thing about the modern NFL is that you can have an unbalanced lineup and win. If you can be truly dominant on one side of the ball, you only need to be average on the other side. Seems like the Chief’s will be loading up on O. They will need a bunch of cheap young defenders, who are just able to hold their own, and they’ll be OK.


That said, if I were building the team, I’d prefer to be dominant on D, and roll with an average O.


IMO.
- Ogilthorpe2

Bears model with Mitch and Foles...........

There may be more at play here than simple greed (although I'm not discounting it). Someone correct me if you have the information, but I thought that if the league didn't televise a certain number of games there was a penalty that had to be paid back to the network(s).

Considering how determined they were to complete this season at any cost, I can't help but think that is the case. Also, let's face it, the NHL is not as fiscally strong as the other leagues. This could have a lot to do with the viability of the league going forward.
- Chunk

You could be right I have no insides info at all .History though says they have shut it down before and the only ones that paid for that were the players . After the rating came in for the NFL draft seem to spark Bettmans drive to play some hockey and grab some market share as the only game in town . I believe Bettman is trying to make hey on the back of a human tragedy and I find that disgusting .

You could be right I have no insides info at all .History though says they have shut it down before and the only ones that paid for that were the players . After the rating came in for the NFL draft seem to spark Bettmans drive to play some hockey and grab some market share as the only game in town . I believe Bettman is trying to make hey on the back of a human tragedy and I find that disgusting .
- oldduffman

So if you had the choice to just let your business go under or try move on in the world we live in today you'd just let your business die? If it really bothers you that much, don't watch.