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david22
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 04.15.2008

Jul 5 @ 11:26 AM ET
I think he is a chip that could be used, we really need a 2C, or atleast a decent place holder until Cozens is ready. Depending on what he wants in this contract. We have to figure something out, Eichel isn't gonna wait for ever. You guys are doing it right with drafting and letting players grow. We didn't do that and tried to rush a rebuild and we have been paying that price since 2015-16.
- Buff36


Where has he been played by Buffalo? Have they been using him as a second line center and is he out of his depth there? I thought he sometimes would play RW.
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jul 5 @ 11:43 AM ET
Where has he been played by Buffalo? Have they been using him as a second line center and is he out of his depth there? I thought he sometimes would play RW.
- david22

He's been playing 1RW with Eichel, only played C for like 16 games, him and Eichel play very well together. With Mitts taking longer to mature are 2C situation is bad, we have Cozens and he is gonna be a good one, but that might not be for another year or 2.
david22
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 04.15.2008

Jul 5 @ 11:55 AM ET
He's been playing 1RW with Eichel, only played C for like 16 games, him and Eichel play very well together. With Mitts taking longer to mature are 2C situation is bad, we have Cozens and he is gonna be a good one, but that might not be for another year or 2.
- Buff36


The Sens went through something similar for year. Never getting that second line center to play behind Spezza.

Fisher, Vermette, etc. They finally found it with Turris, and had some success there. Hopefully Mittlestat or Cousins can be that guy.
Bartacus
Ottawa Senators
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.08.2019

Jul 5 @ 4:44 PM ET
Voted Pageau trade because it was amazing when it happened, and immediately showed great poise and patience from Dorion. Karlsson trade will likely yield a better return, but hindsight is 20/20, and we certainly didn't know that then.
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jul 5 @ 4:44 PM ET
How does Tierney look, could he hold down a 2C spot. Would he be able to get Skinner going, seems like a decent playmaker.
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Jul 5 @ 5:16 PM ET
How does Tierney look, could he hold down a 2C spot. Would he be able to get Skinner going, seems like a decent playmaker.
- Buff36


i think Tierney is a really good 3rd line C, I don't think he's good enough to be a regular top six. he'd be fine filling in on a temp basis for an injury or something, but not a permanent solution to anyone's 2nd line C issues
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jul 5 @ 5:45 PM ET
i think Tierney is a really good 3rd line C, I don't think he's good enough to be a regular top six. he'd be fine filling in on a temp basis for an injury or something, but not a permanent solution to anyone's 2nd line C issues
- sensarmy_11

Thanks for the info, good luck Guys. You guys have a bright future.
PavohnDatsvares
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.03.2016

Jul 5 @ 6:03 PM ET
I doubt that the Sens would deal Batherson. He has good size and skill. Dorion likes big players. Dorion will say really nice things about Stutzle but you know he wants Byfield at centre with Tkachuk on one wing.
- spatso


Thinking about a line of:

Tkachuk Byfield Batherson

... all 6'3" or taller is definitely something that makes my pants grow.
GrimmdaGoalie
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 01.07.2016

Jul 5 @ 10:20 PM ET
Devils would match that with a better pick at 7. Batherson is too valuable a piece.
- Only_A_Ladd


I was just thinking about New Jersey's pick the other day. New Jersey is really hampered by Schneider contract. So how about Schneider and the 7th pick for Nillson and Isles pick. Doable?

Toronto set the bar for the worth of getting of a horrible contract by giving away a first round pick to get rid of Marleau's contract.

Then the Sens would expose Schneider in the expansion draft.

This is why I also think that maybe if the Jonathan Quick contract was included in a swap with the Kings pick at 2 to move it the sens would want to do that.
Gord_Wilson_2.0
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 10.11.2011

Jul 6 @ 10:49 AM ET
I was just thinking about New Jersey's pick the other day. New Jersey is really hampered by Schneider contract. So how about Schneider and the 7th pick for Nillson and Isles pick. Doable?

Toronto set the bar for the worth of getting of a horrible contract by giving away a first round pick to get rid of Marleau's contract.

Then the Sens would expose Schneider in the expansion draft.

This is why I also think that maybe if the Jonathan Quick contract was included in a swap with the Kings pick at 2 to move it the sens would want to do that.

- GrimmdaGoalie

These are rebuilding teams like the Sens. They do not have cap issues at the present time. Need the crummy contracts to stay above the cap floor while they rebuild. Not worth moving down in the draft for them.

Would Ottawa move down in the draft to unload Ryan's contract? Nope.
david22
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 04.15.2008

Jul 6 @ 12:04 PM ET
Athletic put our a top 50 prospect ranking fir players drafted.

Batherson and brannstrom 18 and 19.

Kaliev in the top ten. Still wonder if that taking pinto will bite ottawa. A lot of teams clearly felt similarly to see him drop to the second round.
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jul 6 @ 12:17 PM ET
Athletic put our a top 50 prospect ranking fir players drafted.

Batherson and brannstrom 18 and 19.

Kaliev in the top ten. Still wonder if that taking pinto will bite ottawa. A lot of teams clearly felt similarly to see him drop to the second round.

- david22

Think you guys have 8 or 9 in the top 100, that's pretty (frank)ing good, especially with what you will add at this years draft.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 6 @ 12:24 PM ET
Athletic put our a top 50 prospect ranking fir players drafted.

Batherson and brannstrom 18 and 19.

Kaliev in the top ten. Still wonder if that taking pinto will bite ottawa. A lot of teams clearly felt similarly to see him drop to the second round.

- david22


Pinto has an NHL game. He is physical, plays strong D and has good vision.

Kaliev dropped a lot despite having great offensive numbers. Dorion is not the only doubter on the potential of his NHL game.
Gord_Wilson_2.0
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 10.11.2011

Jul 6 @ 12:29 PM ET
Athletic put our a top 50 prospect ranking fir players drafted.

Batherson and brannstrom 18 and 19.

Kaliev in the top ten. Still wonder if that taking pinto will bite ottawa. A lot of teams clearly felt similarly to see him drop to the second round.

- david22

The article was meh. Pretty safe reviews of every prospect. Always nice to see Sens represented though.

I like this style of article when they show previous years predictions. Hockey News was always good for that.
david22
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 04.15.2008

Jul 6 @ 12:39 PM ET
Think you guys have 8 or 9 in the top 100, that's pretty (frank)ing good, especially with what you will add at this years draft.
- Buff36


The issue remains to be depth vs top end talent. Sens have lots of the former. Hope to address the elite prospects issue with the two top 5 picks this year.
Sens Writer
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 08.19.2013

Jul 6 @ 12:42 PM ET
Kaliev in the top ten. Still wonder if that taking pinto will bite ottawa. A lot of teams clearly felt similarly to see him drop to the second round.
- david22

That's just ridiculous... even at the height of his projected draft ranking (i.e. before teams really started to consider his weaknesses like skating, two-way game, and work ethic), Kaliyev wasn't even regarded as a top-10 prospect in his draft year... let alone being a top-10 prospect outside of the NHL. And it's not like he's taken huge strides since then... in fact, he's not projected to have improved on his goal-scoring tally from his draft year, and was only set to improve on his total points by about 13pts. That's typically a warning sign that a player isn't progressing much with their development... especially given the expected advantage of being a year older in a league like the OHL. Matt Puempel comes to mind as a player with a very similar CHL development curve, after being touted as one of the best pure goal-scorer of his draft class.

At the end of the day, nobody doubts that Kaliyev can score a lot of goals at the CHL-level, when continually given top-line ice time. But having him ahead of the likes of Batherson and Brannstrom right now is completely off the mark. In fact, I can think of at least 6 CHL/NCAA/AHL prospects in the Senators system that I'd take well ahead of Kaliyev, so I really don't know what they're thinking. We'll see what happens when he has to compete in a faster league against tougher opponents, when ice time really has to be earned.

david22
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 04.15.2008

Jul 6 @ 12:43 PM ET
The article was meh. Pretty safe reviews of every prospect. Always nice to see Sens represented though.

I like this style of article when they show previous years predictions. Hockey News was always good for that.

- Gord_Wilson_2.0


I've held on to my old Hockey news prospect rankings (wish I'd started going farther back), fun to see who was highly touted several years ago.

Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jul 6 @ 1:22 PM ET
The issue remains to be depth vs top end talent. Sens have lots of the former. Hope to address the elite prospects issue with the two top 5 picks this year.
- david22

I hear you there, but you have so much of it, that when it's time you can turn that into chips for ready know players and still not hurt your system with the flow of players coming through it.
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