I don't think i'd do Batherson straight up for the 8th pick, let alone include the other assets. i'm not convinced anyone picked at 8 will be better than Batherson
- sensarmy_11

Interesting, heard good things about him.

It looks like the Sens return for Karlsson will likely include.

Stutzle
Soogard
Norris
Tierney
Balcers
#3 (2020) for Demelo

It is a lot.
- spatso

Not to mention 11.5 cap space (or about 7m atleast for next 3)

I don't think i'd do Batherson straight up for the 8th pick, let alone include the other assets. i'm not convinced anyone picked at 8 will be better than Batherson
- sensarmy_11

if it's batherson straight up, I would take the pick and select Alex Holtz

Holtz, Stutzle, Raymond would give Ottawa the best four up and coming wingers in the NHL. Also they have Norris, White, Pinto. They would just be 1C emerging away

if it's batherson straight up, I would take the pick and select Alex Holtz

Holtz, Stutzle, Raymond would give Ottawa the best four up and coming wingers in the NHL. Also they have Norris, White, Pinto. They would just be 1C emerging away
- AlfieisKing

Batherson is one of the best prospects in all of hockey, right now, and will be a legit top six winger next season......he's pretty much a sure thing.

why would you trade that for an 18 year old kid who you hope turns out to be EXACTLY what Batherson is, RIGHT NOW. it makes zero sense

I hear ya.... a forward at 15 will have a lower ceiling than Stutzle, Raymond, Perfetti, Rossi. The Sens are most likely getting Stutzle. IF the Sens target Drysdale, that pushes Thomson and Bernard Docker competing for the other 2 spots on D.

I honestly believe there are enough D-men from 15-40 (Braden Schneider, William Wallinder, Helge Grans, Justin Barron, Jeremie Poirier, Ryan O'Rourke, Topi Niemela, Shakir Mukhamadullin). This makes me feel like the Sens will draft 1 or 2 of these D-men, especially with 4 first rounders

Edit: I really like O'Rourke, Wallinder, Grans. (I was high on Grans early on)
- AlfieisKing

The NCAA is cancelling some schedules and cutting back on others. I do not think that the coming NCAA hockey season will survive in a substantial form because of the the testing protocols. I think both Bernard-Docker and Pinto are in the Sens camp. I think Thomson is there as well. I don't know how the Sens are going to fit everyone into solid playing situations. If NCAA and major junior don't play it is going to be a rat's nest, for sure.

Would the Sens to a blockbuster deal with a CAP challenged team (for example giving up a 1st, 2nd and 3rd) for a young elite talent. Half the teams have hard CAP challenges before the 2020-21 season starts. So many teams need to do a deal and only a few teams are actually positioned to offer something of value in return.

If I were Dorion, I would sleep with the list of 2020 RFA's under my pillow.

The NCAA is cancelling some schedules and cutting back on others. I do not think that the coming NCAA hockey season will survive in a substantial form because of the the testing protocols. I think both Bernard-Docker and Pinto are in the Sens camp. I think Thomson is there as well. I don't know how the Sens are going to fit everyone into solid playing situations. If NCAA and major junior don't play it is going to be a rat's nest, for sure.

Would the Sens to a blockbuster deal with a CAP challenged team (for example giving up a 1st, 2nd and 3rd) for a young elite talent. Half the teams have hard CAP challenges before the 2020-21 season starts. So many teams need to do a deal and only a few teams are actually positioned to offer something of value in return.

If I were Dorion, I would sleep with the list of 2020 RFA's under my pillow.
- spatso

What would you guys be willing to do for Reinhart.

What would you guys be willing to do for Reinhart.
- Buff36

I wouldn't really want Reinhart....he's a moderate upgrade over Tierney, but a guy who will likely easily be surpassed and bumped out of the top six, fairly quickly, but the young guys in the system, and the kids about to be drafted.

Reinhart is just one of those guys who never lived up to the hype.....I see him as a good 3rd line center on a good team. if the sabres would let him go for Ottawa's 2nd (33rd overall), which i'm sure they wouldn't, then i'd do the deal....but I wouldn't give up any of our 1st rd picks for him.

What would you guys be willing to do for Reinhart.
- Buff36

I don't think he fits with the teams needs. I like him as a player but I can't think of a trade the benefits both parties.

I certainly wouldn't involve the 3rd or 5th overall in a trade involving him.

Would you do #15 for Cirelli. Or, would you do #15 plus #43 for Sergachev?

I wouldn't really want Reinhart....he's a moderate upgrade over Tierney, but a guy who will likely easily be surpassed and bumped out of the top six, fairly quickly, but the young guys in the system, and the kids about to be drafted.

Reinhart is just one of those guys who never lived up to the hype.....I see him as a good 3rd line center on a good team. if the sabres would let him go for Ottawa's 2nd (33rd overall), which i'm sure they wouldn't, then i'd do the deal....but I wouldn't give up any of our 1st rd picks for him.
- sensarmy_11

I agree. I mentioned as much in my post just after you. He's turning 25 this year. Just not a good fit.

I always felt he got an unfair rap though. He' hit 20+ goals in 4 of his 5 seasons in the NHL. His point production is pretty solid, just not elite.

Would you do #15 for Cirelli. Or, would you do #15 plus #43 for Sergachev?
- spatso

i'd rather offer more and see if we can get point. Cirelli strikes me as more of a 3rd line, PK specialist, similar to Pageau.

Isles pick, Sens 2nd rd pick, Logan Brown for Brayden Point

even add another pick if you have to for Ottawa

Would you do #15 for Cirelli. Or, would you do #15 plus #43 for Sergachev?
- spatso

I do 15 + 33 for cirelli and cernak

I don't think anything will ever beat the Lindros return. Forsberg alone was a better career player. Not to mention all the other players and pieces.

Unless Garth Snow makes a return, that can't be beat.

Batherson is one of the best prospects in all of hockey, right now, and will be a legit top six winger next season......he's pretty much a sure thing.

why would you trade that for an 18 year old kid who you hope turns out to be EXACTLY what Batherson is, RIGHT NOW. it makes zero sense
- sensarmy_11

dude, you need to learn how to respect other people's opinions.
I disagree that Batherson is "one of the best prospects in all of hockey". Take it easy. Yeah he's a great prospect, but to think he's a top 10-top 20 prospect even, is not the case.

Getting top end talent in a highly talented draft is something I'd be willing to trade for.

No Lundell or Gunler? The latter is more likely to be there with the Sens 3rd pick (if Isles don't win the lottery).
- Only_A_Ladd

Not familiar with Gunler too much to be honest. Lundell, I had him in there but I see him not being an effective top 6 forward

What would you guys be willing to do for Reinhart.
- Buff36

Would Buffalo move him / are they looking to move him?

I don't think anything will ever beat the Lindros return. Forsberg alone was a better career player. Not to mention all the other players and pieces.

Unless Garth Snow makes a return, that can't be beat.
- PavohnDatsvares

Let's say the Sens end up with Byfield and he ends up to be the dominant centre some scouts claim he will be. Or, they take Stutzle and he has all the high end skills that are projected.

Add in Norris as a top six player. Soogard could be an NHL starting goalie. Tierney is a solid third line player, Balcers has a nice game and they still have a 2nd and 3rd round pick to go.

Let's look back on this story in a couple more years. Good chance this will stand as one of the biggest lopsided deals in the history of the NHL.

dude, you need to learn how to respect other people's opinions.
I disagree that Batherson is "one of the best prospects in all of hockey". Take it easy. Yeah he's a great prospect, but to think he's a top 10-top 20 prospect even, is not the case.

Getting top end talent in a highly talented draft is something I'd be willing to trade for.
- AlfieisKing

well, most of the experts have him comfortably inside of the top 20 prospects in the NHL.....Pronman, MacKenzie, hockeynews, the athletic, etc, etc......soooo, i'm gonna take their word on it long before I take your word on it.

if you want to trade Batherson for a pick that you hope turns into someone as good as Batherson, then fine, that's your opinion...….but when you constantly post ridiculous opinions like that (which you do all the time) you can't be surprised or upset when people call you out on it.

well, most of the experts have him comfortably inside of the top 20 prospects in the NHL.....Pronman, MacKenzie, hockeynews, the athletic, etc, etc......soooo, i'm gonna take their word on it long before I take your word on it.

if you want to trade Batherson for a pick that you hope turns into someone as good as Batherson, then fine, that's your opinion...….but when you constantly post ridiculous opinions like that (which you do all the time) you can't be surprised or upset when people call you out on it.
- sensarmy_11

I doubt that the Sens would deal Batherson. He has good size and skill. Dorion likes big players. Dorion will say really nice things about Stutzle but you know he wants Byfield at centre with Tkachuk on one wing.

well, most of the experts have him comfortably inside of the top 20 prospects in the NHL.....Pronman, MacKenzie, hockeynews, the athletic, etc, etc......soooo, i'm gonna take their word on it long before I take your word on it.

- sensarmy_11

Hockey News had Batherson at 27 overall in its 2019 rankings and he was not ranked for 2020. Pronman had Batherson ranked in the high 20s I believe. I don't remember ever seeing him within the top 20 of any list...
Batherson is a great prospect who projects to be a second line winger but he is not an elite prospect. That said, I agree with you that he shouldn't be traded for a pick outside the top 5 in the draft. It is time for Ottawa to start icing a much more competitive hockey team.

Hockey News had Batherson at 27 overall in its 2019 rankings and he was not ranked for 2020. Pronman had Batherson ranked in the high 20s I believe. I don't remember ever seeing him within the top 20 of any list...
Batherson is a great prospect who projects to be a second line winger but he is not an elite prospect. That said, I agree with you that he shouldn't be traded for a pick outside the top 5 in the draft. It is time for Ottawa to start icing a much more competitive hockey team.
- SensFan25

Hockeywriters had him at #19 in Jan https://thehockeywriters....op-100-prospects-ranking/

my point is that he's a top prospect, who's either in the top 20 or close to the top 20, players drafted at 8 MIGHT turn into what you already have, so why make the deal....it's essentially just rewinding 2 years of development and starting over with another "batherson like" player. there's a slight chance you get a better player, a decent chance you get a similar player, and a decent chance you get a worse player....why not just keep batherson, who's already a really good player

Would Buffalo move him / are they looking to move him?
- AlfieisKing

I think he is a chip that could be used, we really need a 2C, or atleast a decent place holder until Cozens is ready. Depending on what he wants in this contract. We have to figure something out, Eichel isn't gonna wait for ever. You guys are doing it right with drafting and letting players grow. We didn't do that and tried to rush a rebuild and we have been paying that price since 2015-16.

I doubt that the Sens would deal Batherson. He has good size and skill. Dorion likes big players. Dorion will say really nice things about Stutzle but you know he wants Byfield at centre with Tkachuk on one wing.
- spatso

my gut feeling is that Tkachuk will be on a line with Norris, and hopefully a skilled playmaker on the other wing....

play byfield with batherson and maybe duclair

Man you guys are loaded, what is that 6 or 7 in the top 100. Your team has a bright future as long as your owner doesn't screw it up.