debatable.
it's not just regular season points you have to base salary on.
nylander has disappeared in playoffs and in general is invisible when it really matters.
he's a good 2nd line scoring winger + pp specialist.
sonsidering toronto's roster weaknesses, the salary cap, and other players on the roster - 6.96 AAV for a 2nd line one-dimensional player is a luxury they can, but should not afford.
- MaximusAurelius

11 pts in 20 games played and mostly vs the Bruins.
I guess that's not good enough

Matthews has 13 pts in 20 games. I guess he's no good either in the playoffs.

11 pts in 20 games played and mostly vs the Bruins.
I guess that's not good enough

Matthews has 13 pts in 20 games. I guess he's no good either in the playoffs.
- dmnted

And their usage by Babcock was a joke. It's no conicidance Nylander was on a 82 point pace with Keefe as coach through a majority of the year.

6.9 and signed through his prime...2nd line player? MUHAHAHA (But the same poster just claimed the Flyers have no bad deals).

- GreatGigInTheSky

That kid looks really good. Not McDavid good (speed difference), but he plays a lot like Matthews and is only getting bigger.

So there are calls to stop talking about Risto as an option but it's still fair game to question Nylander's contract with continued calls to trade him.

So there are calls to stop talking about Risto as an option but it's still fair game to question Nylander's contract with continued calls to trade him.
- mjones242

Talk about beating a dead horse.

11 pts in 20 games played and mostly vs the Bruins.
I guess that's not good enough

Matthews has 13 pts in 20 games. I guess he's no good either in the playoffs.
- dmnted

Matthews has been sub-par in playoffs for Leafs so far, yes.

So there are calls to stop talking about Risto as an option but it's still fair game to question Nylander's contract with continued calls to trade him.
- mjones242

I can't believe a just turned 24 year old player who got 31 goals, 59 points in 70 games and makes 6.9 is seen as someone who needs to be traded and is overpaid. LOL. Only in Toronto...

That kid looks really good. Not McDavid good (speed difference), but he plays a lot like Matthews and is only getting bigger.
- AdamFrench

I honestly would've named him MVP of every level of hockey this past season for what he did as a 15/16 year old, with how little he has to work with in Kingston.

Matthews has been sub-par in playoffs for Leafs so far, yes.
- MaximusAurelius

I bet if he got more minutes his #;s would be better. Did you know while our ex coach was playing the top goal scorer on either team last year in the playoffs 18 minutes in game 7, guys like Mackinnon and Panarin (Who's teams advanced) played 24+ per in deciding games?

Marner, Matthews, Nylander were all 22 and under last time the playoffs were played. Give them a freaking chance.

Those 3 have been underused HORRIBLY in the playoffs in their careers

I honestly would've named him MVP of every level of hockey this past season for what he did as a 15/16 year old, with how little he has to work with in Kingston.
- GreatGigInTheSky

How dare you impugn the enormity that is...Zayde Wisdom? Oh god.

I bet if he got more minutes his #;s would be better. Did you know while our ex coach was playing the top goal scorer on either team last year in the playoffs 18 minutes in game 7, guys like Mackinnon and Panarin (Who's teams advanced) played 24+ per in deciding games?

Marner, Matthews, Nylander were all 22 and under last time the playoffs were played. Give them a freaking chance.

Those 3 have been underused HORRIBLY in the playoffs in their careers
- RogerRoeper

1/ this is the case for all players
2/ it's not about points

Matthews has been sub-par in playoffs for Leafs so far, yes.
- MaximusAurelius

Where would you rate Marner in comparison to the other two?

And if it's ahead of Matthews, you're wrong.

1/ this is the case for all players
2/ it's not about points
- MaximusAurelius

Based on production from all 3 players it is 100% true. Do you realize how much their offense increased and TOI increased after Keefe became coach? Nylander playing his best ever and being PPG was a fluke? Look at Matthews offenisve explosion.

How dare you impugn the enormity that is...Zayde Wisdom? Oh god.
- AdamFrench

Future 1-2 punch of McJesus and Wright with the Leafs.

Future 1-2 punch of McJesus and Wright with the Leafs.
- GreatGigInTheSky

So they're taking Chromiak in the 3rd round? Get his winger esrly?

So they're taking Chromiak in the 3rd round? Get his winger esrly?
- AdamFrench

I'd take the gamble on him. He for sure benefited from playing with Wright but Wright also stepped his game up when he started playing with him.

Probably had more to do with getting the other stiff off his line, though.

Kyle Connor makes 7.1, some Winnipeg Analytic folks complain about this one, Ehelrs makes 6 ( this is a steal of a deal) but overall not too many people complain about these deals. Nylander makes exactly what he should.
- Ross77

Kyle Connor is very good, the stinky contract on the Jets is Bryan Little.

Based on production from all 3 players it is 100% true. Do you realize how much their offense increased and TOI increased after Keefe became coach?
- RogerRoeper

under Babcock, the team ended with higher points in the overall standing. and yes, I know you'll blame Leafs' season's start record (9-10-4) before Babcock got sacked. But let's look at opponents and injury in those games, and you'll see that it doesn't really matter that much.

Babcock has a team-first mentality and believes that it is better to spread out TOI a bit more out over different players during the regular season, while Keefe relies a bit more on his top players. As well, Babcock gave Marner, Matthews and Nylander more icetime early this season - which is normal when you take into account the fact that the players all become more mature and responsible.

If Babcock would have stayed coach, surely by next season Matthews and Marner would play 22mins a night on average as well.

as well - Marner had 94 points under Babcock last season. Matthews 80 points in 70 games. one can make a point that Babcock was using these players very effectively, ending with 100 points in a very top heavy division with Tampa Bay and Boston there as well.

under Babcock, the team ended with higher points in the overall standing. and yes, I know you'll blame Leafs' season's start record (9-10-4) before Babcock got sacked. But let's look at opponents and injury in those games, and you'll see that it doesn't really matter that much.

Babcock has a team-first mentality and believes that it is better to spread out TOI a bit more out over different players during the regular season, while Keefe relies a bit more on his top players. As well, Babcock gave Marner, Matthews and Nylander more icetime early this season - which is normal when you take into account the fact that the players all become more mature and responsible.

If Babcock would have stayed coach, surely by next season Matthews and Marner would play 22mins a night on average as well.

as well - Marner had 94 points under Babcock last season. Matthews 80 points in 70 games. one can make a point that Babcock was using these players very effectively, ending with 100 points in a very top heavy division with Tampa Bay and Boston there as well.
- MaximusAurelius

The Leafs were on pace under Keefe to do better than they did last year with Babcock. And Keefe himself dealt with a ton of injuries and really bad goaltending.

Having Gauthier on the ice with 5 minutes left down in game 7 and a healthy, rested Matthews on the bench was a joke.

And why is it taking 6 years to get Marner, Matthews, Nylander to 22_+minutes a night? What other coach does that?

And JT Miller is the perfect example of why Nylander is a passenger on the Matthews / Tavares lines, and his production is heavily impacted by playing with great players.

JT Miller went from playing with Erne and Killorn most of the time, and approx 16mins a night to 22+ mins a night with Pettersson (elite center) and Boeser - obviously increasing his points totals.
I'm not saying JT Miller is a bad player, but it's obvious that the increase in minutes + better linemates helped him alot.
that's why taking point totals as the single criteria to evaluate a player isn't very helpful.

And JT Miller is the perfect example of why Nylander is a passenger on the Matthews / Tavares lines, and his production is heavily impacted by playing with great players.

JT Miller went from playing with Erne and Killorn most of the time, and approx 16mins a night to 22+ mins a night with Pettersson (elite center) and Boeser - obviously increasing his points totals.
I'm not saying JT Miller is a bad player, but it's obvious that the increase in minutes + better linemates helped him alot.
that's why taking point totals as the single criteria to evaluate a player isn't very helpful.
- MaximusAurelius

You are seriously trying to say Nylander is just a passenger? LOL What? He has looked fantastic in every international tournament in every league he played and was a #8 overall pick.
What a joke.

The Leafs were on pace under Keefe to do better than they did last year with Babcock. And Keefe himself dealt with a ton of injuries and really bad goaltending.

Having Gauthier on the ice with 5 minutes left down in game 7 and a healthy, rested Matthews on the bench was a joke.

And why is it taking 6 years to get Marner, Matthews, Nylander to 22_+minutes a night? What other coach does that?
- RogerRoeper

you do realise that Matthews wasn't playing very well that game 7 (-3) and that he wasn't that 'rested'?

you do realise that Matthews wasn't playing very well that game 7 (-3) and that he wasn't that 'rested'?
- MaximusAurelius

You do realize he was the top goal scorer on either team in that series and FReddy Gauthier was on the ice instead?

Play the crap out of your top players in a game 7.

One important note I'll counter is in 2018 game 7 Jake Gardiner was -5 and a complete disaster and his minutes were not taken away by Babcock.

Sorry but a guy who's never had a sub 60 point season in a full year is not a 2nd line player at all. He just had 31 goals, 59 points in 70 games and was PPG with Keefe as coach (Just simply getting the ice-tiem he should have always had). In afull year this is a player that can get 80+ points.

The facts and stats do not agree he's a 2nd line player at all. In fact the very idea he's 4th or as you would claim 5th best Leaf forward shows how fantastic the team's talent is. He'd be the best forward on a number of teams.
- RogerRoeper

Man.

I haven't visited this site since Covid started. Looks like the same people are still saying the same things.....

Man.

I haven't visited this site since Covid started. Looks like the same people are still saying the same things.....
- Kinger34

I have a high fever.