(frank)ing virus. I don’t think we’ll ever be clear of it.
- shack67

Neither do I. This might be with us forever.

Klingberg anyone?

Decent RHD at 4.25m
Not really the bruiser we need, more of a scorer
- mr.sir

Isn't Klingberg, essentially, a taller version of Tyson Barrie?

- winsix

Thank you.

This put a smile on my grumpy face today.

I can believe the amount of trumpsters who just turn a blind eye to this Russian thing.

He has admitted that it happened with his tweet saying "only a few attacks". Regardless of if and when he knew it was happening, that he tweeted that is pretty daming... And has not once condemned Russia or Putin (becuase they own him). And his simpleton base can't even see it.

Americans are so dumb.

Look at the idiots in Florida doing those speeches about not wearing a mask cause it takes gods beautiful breathe away. How (frank)ing dumb can you be.
- burn

I'm not a trumpster and I turn a blind eye to that russia thing.

Isn't Klingberg, essentially, a taller version of Tyson Barrie?
- mjones242

Yes, he is.

Damon Severson, 3 years left after this one at 4.166? Much more well rounded.

Yes, he is.

Damon Severson, 3 years left after this one at 4.166? Much more well rounded.
- joel878

And what are we giving up?

And what are we giving up?
- mr.sir

Gotta admit, I didn't put that much thought into it. 🤷‍♂️

Id be happy with the something along the lines of the ristolainen package.

Gotta admit, I didn't put that much thought into it. 🤷‍♂️

Id be happy with the something along the lines of the ristolainen package.
- joel878

NJD RHD
Subban
Severson
Carrick
Mermis

Doubt they trade Severson. Top 2 d prospects are also LHD - Ty Smith/Bahl

They would need a RHD in return
Liljegren/Johnsson

Not many teams have a surplus of RHD

Kings win lotto. The "reporting" for this site is hilariously bad. Like a 3 yr old could do better.
- burn

Sabre’s are at least 2-3 years away from the playoffs let alone being competitive

Considering the costs in doing the trade and cap, you gotta be pretty sure about the guy. Explaining away his play because he played on a bad team doesn’t cut it. Cause and effect at play.
- Canada Cup

When you trade/sign any player you risk the fact that they might not be a fit on your team.

If the deal is fair? Yes I do it.

I’m not for overpaying for a RS D that a team doesn’t want to make available.

Considering the costs in doing the trade and cap, you gotta be pretty sure about the guy. Explaining away his play because he played on a bad team doesn’t cut it. Cause and effect at play.
- Canada Cup

Risto wasn't just playing for a dumpster fire team:

- he was playing absurd minutes up until last season (e.g. 25-26mins a night)
- with one exception, every season he has spent the majority of his assignments starting in the DZone
- he has had a revolving door of less than productive partners

This notion that he's hot "garbage" on this board is a hilariously bad take. The thought that anyone would balk at trading Johnsson and Kerfoot for him is beyond ridiculous.

Reading these threads makes me wonder how many legit top pair RHD people here feel there actually are. It would seem all but a handful of NHL d-men are any good.

Do any of you think the Leafs will pursue Shattenkirk? (or should they at all?)

NJD RHD
Subban
Severson
Carrick
Mermis

Doubt they trade Severson. Top 2 d prospects are also LHD - Ty Smith/Bahl

They would need a RHD in return
Liljegren/Johnsson

Not many teams have a surplus of RHD
- mr.sir

I don't disagree with you at all, however I do feel like the same argument could be made for most RHD who's names are floated on here as potential trade candidates.

Players are traded without their teams exactly being deep enough to warrant it from time to time, it does happen. Players have prices, teams see a more pressing need elsewhere, so on and so forth.

Maybe there's a good argument to look into free agency, I am a Hamonic supporter as well. I think he'd be an excellent fit with rielly, but not sure he can be persuaded to come to Toronto after the years of him trying to get to western Canada.

Risto wasn't just playing for a dumpster fire team:

- he was playing absurd minutes up until last season (e.g. 25-26mins a night)
- with one exception, every season he has spent the majority of his assignments starting in the DZone
- he has had a revolving door of less than productive partners

This notion that he's hot "garbage" on this board is a hilariously bad take. The thought that anyone would balk at trading Johnsson and Kerfoot for him is beyond ridiculous.

Reading these threads makes me wonder how many legit top pair RHD people here feel there actually are. It would seem all but a handful of NHL d-men are any good.
- mjones242

The problem is leafs fans won’t let go of the Mansons of the world.

RHD don’t become available often and prying one that’s not available will cost twice as much as it should.

Risto is actually available and there is a fit in terms of contract and player.

This is a deal I could see happen as both teams have what eachother want.

Risto wasn't just playing for a dumpster fire team:

- he was playing absurd minutes up until last season (e.g. 25-26mins a night)
- with one exception, every season he has spent the majority of his assignments starting in the DZone
- he has had a revolving door of less than productive partners

This notion that he's hot "garbage" on this board is a hilariously bad take. The thought that anyone would balk at trading Johnsson and Kerfoot for him is beyond ridiculous.

Reading these threads makes me wonder how many legit top pair RHD people here feel there actually are. It would seem all but a handful of NHL d-men are any good.
- mjones242

Somebody listed all these Sabres with minus ratings to say how tough it is for good players to play on bad teams. At some point a bunch of players with big minus ratings might be making a team bad or at least contributing.

The problem is leafs fans won’t let go of the Mansons of the world.

RHD don’t become available often and prying one that’s not available will cost twice as much as it should.

Risto is actually available and there is a fit in terms of contract and player.

This is a deal I could see happen as both teams have what eachother want.
- Santo_44

Manson won't come here. Ristolainen is a possibility. I think he's a good fit in the Leafs top 4

Risto wasn't just playing for a dumpster fire team:

- he was playing absurd minutes up until last season (e.g. 25-26mins a night)
- with one exception, every season he has spent the majority of his assignments starting in the DZone
- he has had a revolving door of less than productive partners

This notion that he's hot "garbage" on this board is a hilariously bad take. The thought that anyone would balk at trading Johnsson and Kerfoot for him is beyond ridiculous.

Reading these threads makes me wonder how many legit top pair RHD people here feel there actually are. It would seem all but a handful of NHL d-men are any good.
- mjones242

I'd rather not be seeking out a player who one has to put forward an argument as to why they arent garbage and assume once in a better scenario he will perform to a higher standard and alleviate our defensive issues. The sad thing is, defensively... The leafs arent exactly the perfect fit to grant someone with documented issues defensively an opportunity to succeed.

See; Barrie, Tyson

That being said, finding a better option may prove impossible. You're right about balking at the price, taking that swing might prove to be the best option. 🤷‍♂️

I don't disagree with you at all, however I do feel like the same argument could be made for most RHD who's names are floated on here as potential trade candidates.

Players are traded without their teams exactly being deep enough to warrant it from time to time, it does happen. Players have prices, teams see a more pressing need elsewhere, so on and so forth.

Maybe there's a good argument to look into free agency, I am a Hamonic supporter as well. I think he'd be an excellent fit with rielly, but not sure he can be persuaded to come to Toronto after the years of him trying to get to western Canada.
- joel878

Brodie would be a fit but he had TO on his no trade list.

There’s a good chance Risto will be a Leaf. Then I could see the Leafs look to a D that wants to sign a cheaper 1 year deal to get back in the market next year to cash in. TVR?

Muzzin-Risto
Rielly-Holl
Sandin-TVR

not bad

Do any of you think the Leafs will pursue Shattenkirk? (or should they at all?)
- GalacticStone

Big question is would they be able to afford him??

Somebody listed all these Sabres with minus ratings to say how tough it is for good players to play on bad teams. At some point a bunch of players with big minus ratings might be making a team bad or at least contributing.
- Canada Cup

The +/- should not be a factor. Buffalo would trade any goalie that could make a save. That doesn't help the defense

Manson won't come here. Ristolainen is a possibility. I think he's a good fit in the Leafs top 4
- PatC80

Yeah I doubt he’s going anywhere.

It’s rare for RHD to become available as much as Risto is.

Kerfoot and Johnnson is a fair trade.

Brodie would be a fit but he had TO on his no trade list.

There’s a good chance Risto will be a Leaf. Then I could see the Leafs look to a D that wants to sign a cheaper 1 year deal to get back in the market next year to cash in. TVR?

Muzzin-Risto
Rielly-Holl
Sandin-TVR

not bad
- Santo_44

We'll have to see what Kevyn Adams does. Risto for Kerfoot and Johnsson is a fair deal..

Brodie would be a fit but he had TO on his no trade list.

There’s a good chance Risto will be a Leaf. Then I could see the Leafs look to a D that wants to sign a cheaper 1 year deal to get back in the market next year to cash in. TVR?

Muzzin-Risto
Rielly-Holl
Sandin-TVR

not bad
- Santo_44

I think it's clear they want to keep dermott, and the plan isn't for lehtonen to play with the Marlies. Think that leaves one spot.

I'd be surprised if that risto rumour is anything close to true. Can't see buffalo loving johnsson and Kerfoot enough to trade him within the division. In the event it is, they must really think he's garbage...

The +/- should not be a factor. Buffalo would trade any goalie that could make a save. That doesn't help the defense
- PatC80

Ok I'll give you that +/- should not be a factor.....but, if he's a giant pile of sh!t in Buffalo, chances are pretty good he'll be a giant pile of sh!t somewhere else.

Risto wasn't just playing for a dumpster fire team:

- he was playing absurd minutes up until last season (e.g. 25-26mins a night)
- with one exception, every season he has spent the majority of his assignments starting in the DZone
- he has had a revolving door of less than productive partners

This notion that he's hot "garbage" on this board is a hilariously bad take. The thought that anyone would balk at trading Johnsson and Kerfoot for him is beyond ridiculous.

Reading these threads makes me wonder how many legit top pair RHD people here feel there actually are. It would seem all but a handful of NHL d-men are any good.
- mjones242

RHD, 6'4" and plays with grit. Has some offensive ability, 25 years old. He would fit very well on the Leafs.

You aren't getting him for Johnsson and Kerfoot. IF he is available, some other team will offer more.

Not only that, but he has 2 more years at 5.4 and then he is due for another contract (same time as Rielly, and right after Ander7en? I am not so sure the Leafs can afford him.