spazzbot
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Location: Maple Zombie Joined: 02.14.2013
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I would like to buy a mystery team jersey with bettman on the back and # 20. Mystery team logo on front. |
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AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators |
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Location: Canada, ON Joined: 11.05.2007
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Good post.
I think you are right. Ottawa gets either Stutzle or Byfield. (My bet is Edmonton ends up with Lafreniere, nothing would make this lottery procedures look more insane).
I think it is going to be Byfield to the Sens. And, if he can outplay Logan Brown through training camp he will make the team. Byfield is a baby. He is an August birthday and was only a few weeks short of falling into the 2021 draft.
Some scouts believe that Rossi is the most NHL ready player in the draft. He plays a 200' game. He would be my pick at #5. But we really don't know who is the best pick between Rossi, Perfetti, Drysdale or Raymond.
As I often remind myself, I hated Tkachuk at #4. So, I will trust Dorion and Trent Mann to make a good pick.
It appears more and more that all NCAA sports will be severely curtailed this season. So, I think both Bernard Docker and Shane Pinto get added into the mix of players that the Sens will need to slot into their development process this coming year.
I have no idea how they are going to be able to fit all the kids and picks into their development system. I think we will see a significant trade or two once the draft moves into the 2nd round. - spatso I agree man. I trust Dorion and Trent.
That NCAA point is one I didn't think about at all. Any word on when that decision would be made?
I don't know about all the rest of us, but if the Sens keep Byfield, Bernard Docker, and Pinto outside the NHL - dominating wherever they are, that would be a good thing. If they are "going" for playoffs this year, I'd like to see them sign a free agent or 2 |
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AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators |
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Location: Canada, ON Joined: 11.05.2007
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Detroit needs a Center or a dman, I doubt they take Raymond. since there is no clear BPA in the 4-7 range, I think they'll draft for need......either Drysdale, or rossi/perfetti - sensarmy_11 I'm so confused. Craig Button had Drysdale to DET and Rossi to OTT. I'm down with Rossi for sure but why would Red Wings take a D-man when they have Moritz Seider? Both right side highly touted D-men. Also Red Wings took a D-man in the 2nd round took I believe last year. A center I can see. I can Red Wings taking Rossi |
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AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators |
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Location: Canada, ON Joined: 11.05.2007
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One thing I realized last night...
If NYI misses the playoffs, not only will their first round pick be in the 13 to 15 range (as long as they don't win the lottery) but their second round pick, which we also own, will be in the 44 to 46 range. Both NYI picks that we own (NYI 2020 #1, #2) will move forward by approximately 10 positions if NYI loses the play-in round. - SensFan25
Very interesting point. I think most fans would want NYI loose and get the 2020 pick (this year). Next year is a toss up and likely not even close in terms of the depth and quality in the first round.
*My fingers are crossed for Jack Quinn* |
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AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators |
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Location: Canada, ON Joined: 11.05.2007
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I fail to understand why you keep laughing at a team who has 2 picks in the top 5...……..... Ottawa will emerge from this draft with BY FAR the best prospect pool in the NHL. but sure, laugh away..... - sensarmy_11
exactly.
Stutzle or Byfield
with Drysdale, Rossi, Raymond
It's a slam dunk |
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SarthGnome
Edmonton Oilers |
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Location: Bradford, ON Joined: 03.29.2018
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If the Islanders lose then Ottawa gets another 12.5% chance at the 1st overall.
Lafraniere, Stutzle and Rossi/Raymond would be potentially the greatest draft haul in history. |
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Tried to explain this nonsense to a friend who checked out on the NHL about 5 years ago. His response: "Don't care. That's why I don't watch that $#!+."
Hard to argue at this point. I no longer bother to try. Amateur hour indeed. - cjp2112
You need some new friends. |
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I'm so confused. Craig Button had Drysdale to DET and Rossi to OTT. I'm down with Rossi for sure but why would Red Wings take a D-man when they have Moritz Seider? Both right side highly touted D-men. Also Red Wings took a D-man in the 2nd round took I believe last year. A center I can see. I can Red Wings taking Rossi - AlfieisKing
cuz Seider is a defense first guy with limited offensive potential.....Drysdale is an all around #1 guy. Dyrsdale's ceiling is miles higher than seider's ceiling IMO |
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If the Islanders lose then Ottawa gets another 12.5% chance at the 1st overall.
Lafraniere, Stutzle and Rossi/Raymond would be potentially the greatest draft haul in history. - SarthGnome
the isles pick is top 3 protected....if the isles win the lottery Ottawa would get their 2021 1st |
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Stutzle or Byfield
with Drysdale, Rossi, Raymond - AlfieisKing
The draft format was always going to be dumb - my only concern was the team getting the kinds of players they needed most going forward. Personally, I think one of Byfield/Raymond or Byfield/Drysdale is the most likely outcome, and that looks awfully good to me. Lafreniere would have been nice, but there's a lot to be excited about with those kinds of players coming into the fray.
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Trilla
Ottawa Senators |
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Location: ON Joined: 06.02.2013
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I'm so confused. Craig Button had Drysdale to DET and Rossi to OTT. I'm down with Rossi for sure but why would Red Wings take a D-man when they have Moritz Seider? Both right side highly touted D-men. Also Red Wings took a D-man in the 2nd round took I believe last year. A center I can see. I can Red Wings taking Rossi - AlfieisKing
Yzerman said he’d draft bpa regardless of position. So if they feel drysdale is the best at 4..he’ll be a wing |
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Trilla
Ottawa Senators |
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Location: ON Joined: 06.02.2013
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Very interesting point. I think most fans would want NYI loose and get the 2020 pick (this year). Next year is a toss up and likely not even close in terms of the depth and quality in the first round.
*My fingers are crossed for Jack Quinn* - AlfieisKing
Next years draft is solid. Much deeper blue line..outside of raty, we could see half the selections in the top 10 be defenseman.
So to me, it doesn’t matter if we get this years Isles pick or next.
But if we did get this years pick from them. You gotta go Askarov (depending on where they land).
So you get one of the best Center/Wing players in either Byfield/Stutzle, one of the best D prospects or wings in Drysadale/ Raymond/Perfetti/Holtz...and the best goalie prospect we’ve seen in years in Askarov.
You pretty much improve and hit on every key position all in the first round |
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david22
Ottawa Senators |
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Joined: 04.15.2008
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the isles pick is top 3 protected....if the isles win the lottery Ottawa would get their 2021 1st - sensarmy_11
Roll the dice with the Isles winning Laf and go for next year? Or take a top 15 pick?
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Mpepe1084
Ottawa Senators |
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Location: CT Joined: 01.15.2009
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Roll the dice with the Isles winning Laf and go for next year? Or take a top 15 pick? - david22
What does next year's prospect pool look like? |
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Roll the dice with the Isles winning Laf and go for next year? Or take a top 15 pick? - david22
top 15 pick for sure, cuz Laf makes them a much better team |
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david22
Ottawa Senators |
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Joined: 04.15.2008
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top 15 pick for sure, cuz Laf makes them a much better team - sensarmy_11
I agree. Still like the idea of trading up if they get 12 or 13. |
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david22
Ottawa Senators |
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Joined: 04.15.2008
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2000
3rd: Marian Gaborik 5th: Raffi Torres
2001
3rd: Alexander Svitov 5th: Stanislav Chistov
2002
3rd: Jay Bouwmeester 5th: Ryan Whitney
2003
3rd: Nathan Horton 5th: Thomas Vanek
2004
3rd: Cam Barker 5th: Blake Wheeler
2005
3rd: Jack Johnson 5th: Carey Price
2006
3rd: Jonathan Toews 5th: Phil Kessel
2007
3rd: Kyle Turris 5th: Karl Alzner
2008
3rd: Zach Bogosian 5th: Luke Schenn
2009
3rd: Matt Duchene 5th: Brayden Schenn
2010
3rd: Erik Gudbranson 5th: Nino Niederreiter
2011
3rd: Jonathan Huberdeau 5th: Ryan Strome
2012
3rd: Alex Galchenyuk 5th: Morgan Rielly
2013
3rd: Jonathan Drouin 5th: Elias Lindholm
2014
3rd: Leon Draisaitl 5th: Michael Dal Colle
2015
3rd: Dylan Strome 5th: Noah Hanifin
2016
3rd: Pierre-Luc Dubois 5th: Olli Juolevi
2017
3rd: Miro Heiskanen 5th: Elias Pettersson
2018
3rd: Jesperi Kotkaniemi 5th: Barrett Hayton
2019
3rd: Kirby Dach 5th: Alex Turcotte |
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Trilla
Ottawa Senators |
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Location: ON Joined: 06.02.2013
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What does next year's prospect pool look like? - Mpepe1084
Next years draft class doesn’t have the scoring punch of this years. But there could be as many as 5-6 franchise d that could go in the top 10. |
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RedC21
Calgary Flames |
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Joined: 01.18.2013
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Next years draft class doesn’t have the scoring punch of this years. But there could be as many as 5-6 franchise d that could go in the top 10. - Trilla
Those are the reports as of now but if I get the choice between next year’s draft and this years, I take this years all the way. Not saying next year will be bad but I am concerned there will be busts at the higher end if leagues don’t start running until December/January. It will result in less availability for teams to scout and less time for prospects to climb up or fall down the charts. |
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Trilla
Ottawa Senators |
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Location: ON Joined: 06.02.2013
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Those are the reports as of now but if I get the choice between next year’s draft and this years, I take this years all the way. Not saying next year will be bad but I am concerned there will be busts at the higher end if leagues don’t start running until December/January. It will result in less availability for teams to scout and less time for prospects to climb up or fall down the charts. - RedC21
I guess it depends what your team needs.
If you need D, next year is the way to go.
And you could make the argument that a lot of the 2020 prospects could be busts. Most, if not all had their seasons cut short. Practice facilities shut, gyms shut..we don’t know how that’s impacted this draft class.
Most didn’t even get a chance to compete in their respective playoffs. That’s a missed opportunity for players to showcase how they perform in the most important games. It could’ve even changed the draft projections for some players. |
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AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators |
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Location: Canada, ON Joined: 11.05.2007
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For people that think 1st picks are always best:
1992 - Roman Hamrlik
1993 - Alexandre Daigle
1994 - Ed Jovanovski
1995 - Bryan Berard
1996 - Chris Phillips
1997 - Joe Thornton
1998 - Vincent Lecavalier
1999 - Patrik Stefan
2000 - Rick DiPietro
2001 - Ilya Kovalchuk
2002 - Rick Nash
2003 - Marc-Andre Fleury
2004 - Alex Ovechkin
2005 - Sidney Crosby
2006 - Erik Johnson
2007 - Patrick Kane
2008 - Steven Stamkos
2009 - John Tavares
2010 - Taylor Hall
2011 - Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
2012 - Nail Yakupov
2013 - Nathan MacKinnon
2014 - Aaron Ekblad
2015 - Connor McDavid
2016 - Auston Matthews
2017 - Nico Hischier
2018 - Rasmus Dahlin (too early)
2019 - Jack Hughes (too early)
1st overall picks that I would take for sure! |
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spatso
Ottawa Senators |
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Location: jensen beach, FL Joined: 02.19.2007
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For people that think 1st picks are always best:
1992 - Roman Hamrlik
1993 - Alexandre Daigle
1994 - Ed Jovanovski
1995 - Bryan Berard
1996 - Chris Phillips
1997 - Joe Thornton
1998 - Vincent Lecavalier
1999 - Patrik Stefan
2000 - Rick DiPietro
2001 - Ilya Kovalchuk
2002 - Rick Nash
2003 - Marc-Andre Fleury
2004 - Alex Ovechkin
2005 - Sidney Crosby
2006 - Erik Johnson
2007 - Patrick Kane
2008 - Steven Stamkos
2009 - John Tavares
2010 - Taylor Hall
2011 - Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
2012 - Nail Yakupov
2013 - Nathan MacKinnon
2014 - Aaron Ekblad
2015 - Connor McDavid
2016 - Auston Matthews
2017 - Nico Hischier
2018 - Rasmus Dahlin (too early)
2019 - Jack Hughes (too early)
1st overall picks that I would take for sure! - AlfieisKing
Helpful post.
Anybody who takes a goalie with a first round pick is playing with fire. Even if it turns out to be a future NHLer, it is hard to project how an 18 year old playing junior will do when he hits his prime around age 28.
Same is true, perhaps even more so, for trying to choose a dominant Dman. Most Dmen taken early never live up to their draft year hype. I think that is changing as teams pick offensive Dmen.
I know some people will push for the Sens to take Drysdale at 5. But some of the Dmen available at 21 might prove as good or better over a long career. But I would not even use 21 for a goaltender of Dman. Take Lapierre, Jarvis, Mavrik Bourke, Jan Mysak etc., Go all out for offence in the first round! |
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SensFan25
Ottawa Senators |
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Location: ON Joined: 08.24.2006
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Those are the reports as of now but if I get the choice between next year’s draft and this years, I take this years all the way. Not saying next year will be bad but I am concerned there will be busts at the higher end if leagues don’t start running until December/January. It will result in less availability for teams to scout and less time for prospects to climb up or fall down the charts. - RedC21
Excellent point.
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Crosside
Ottawa Senators |
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Joined: 08.14.2019
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Just read an article and said Melnyk told to Dorion to make everything to trade for Lafrenière. Yessir!!! |
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GrimmdaGoalie
Ottawa Senators |
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Location: Ottawa, ON Joined: 01.07.2016
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2000
3rd: Marian Gaborik 5th: Raffi Torres
2001
3rd: Alexander Svitov 5th: Stanislav Chistov
2002
3rd: Jay Bouwmeester 5th: Ryan Whitney
2003
3rd: Nathan Horton 5th: Thomas Vanek
2004
3rd: Cam Barker 5th: Blake Wheeler
2005
3rd: Jack Johnson 5th: Carey Price
2006
3rd: Jonathan Toews 5th: Phil Kessel
2007
3rd: Kyle Turris 5th: Karl Alzner
2008
3rd: Zach Bogosian 5th: Luke Schenn
2009
3rd: Matt Duchene 5th: Brayden Schenn
2010
3rd: Erik Gudbranson 5th: Nino Niederreiter
2011
3rd: Jonathan Huberdeau 5th: Ryan Strome
2012
3rd: Alex Galchenyuk 5th: Morgan Rielly
2013
3rd: Jonathan Drouin 5th: Elias Lindholm
2014
3rd: Leon Draisaitl 5th: Michael Dal Colle
2015
3rd: Dylan Strome 5th: Noah Hanifin
2016
3rd: Pierre-Luc Dubois 5th: Olli Juolevi
2017
3rd: Miro Heiskanen 5th: Elias Pettersson
2018
3rd: Jesperi Kotkaniemi 5th: Barrett Hayton
2019
3rd: Kirby Dach 5th: Alex Turcotte - david22
Oh that 2017 draft.... ❤️ |
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