Yes. I think this should be the case. Not every player in the HHOF has to be Orr or Gretzky, but some more selectivity would have been nice. But no turning back at this point.
- jmatchett383

the precedent has been set....if guys like carbonneau, andrechuk, mullen, sundin, glenn Anderson, kariya, etc, etc, etc, are in the HHOF, having similar production to Alfredsson, there is no reason he shouldn't be there.

a lot of these guys played a long time, giving them inflated totals...….and good on them for sticking it out, but it's not the Hockey Hall of Longevity......in their primes, Alfredsson was as good or better than quite a few people there.

**No.**

If Osgood ever gets in (why????) then Alfie probably will and then they'll need to rename it. Something like "Popular players who were also pretty good" hall-of-fame
- farooge

that's already what it is...….Guy Carbonneau is there because he was good defensively and was the captain of the Habs

People have to go and look and see who is exactly in the Hall. Alfie shares the same pedigree.

So tired of people saying "it's not the Hall of the very good" bullpoop. I do feel the Hall should be more selective, but it isn't and because of that, Alfie should be in the Hall already.

The Hall will never be what people say it should be. Deal with it and acknowledge the strong careers of "2nd tier" stars like Alfie, Sundin, Hossa, etc. in the Hall.

If Alfie played for a sexier organization, he'd be in there already.

People have to go and look and see who is exactly in the Hall. Alfie shares the same pedigree.

So tired of people saying "it's not the Hall of the very good" bullpoop. I do feel the Hall should be more selective, but it isn't and because of that, Alfie should be in the Hall already.

The Hall will never be what people say it should be. Deal with it and acknowledge the strong careers of "2nd tier" stars like Alfie, Sundin, Hossa, etc. in the Hall.

If Alfie played for a sexier organization, he'd be in there already.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

How is Hossa a 2nd tier player? He's not Mario Lemieux, but he's one of the most complete players of the last 20 years and one of the best playmakers of his generation. He and Iginla should be no question locks.

he will get in for the same reason guy carbonneau did. popular player on a Canadian team. but, neither should be in the hall...

How is Hossa a 2nd tier player? He's not Mario Lemieux, but he's one of the most complete players of the last 20 years and one of the best playmakers of his generation. He and Iginla should be no question locks.
- jmatchett383

how is Hossa a lock and Alfredsson not?

Alfredsson had more points in less games, equally strong 2-way game, 6 x all star (hossa only 5), was more successful internationally, won individual NHL awards

the only thing Hossa had that Alfredsson didn't, was winning cups on a STACKED Hawks team

the precedent has been set....if guys like carbonneau, andrechuk, mullen, sundin, glenn Anderson, kariya, etc, etc, etc, are in the HHOF, having similar production to Alfredsson, there is no reason he shouldn't be there.

a lot of these guys played a long time, giving them inflated totals...….and good on them for sticking it out, but it's not the Hockey Hall of Longevity......in their primes, Alfredsson was as good or better than quite a few people there.
- sensarmy_11

That's my point...they should have been more selective from the beginning. But since they weren't, they need to stick to the status quo.

I think most of the guys you listed (especially Kariya and Andreychuk) and deserving, but Glenn Anderson? And the king of all wtf, Bernie Federko Heck, even though he has 500+ goals, Michel Goulet!? If they are in, then yes, Alfie should be too.

Alfredsson is not a hall of famer. Hossa was better in every facet of the game.

Tkachuk, Fleury, Roenick, Lindros, Kariya...these are iconic names and great players that are not in the Hall and Alfredsson is below all of them.

Alfredsson is not a hall of famer. Hossa was better in every facet of the game.

Tkachuk, Fleury, Roenick, Lindros, Kariya...these are iconic names and great players that are not in the Hall and Alfredsson is below all of them.
- Dahlmanyotes

Lindros and Kariya are in the HOF..

Alfredsson is not a hall of famer. Hossa was better in every facet of the game.

Tkachuk, Fleury, Roenick, Lindros, Kariya...these are iconic names and great players that are not in the Hall and Alfredsson is below all of them.
- Dahlmanyotes

I mean sure, if you completely ignore all of their stats...……..

Lindros and Kariya are in the HOF..
- wingz4life

but I agree, Alfredsson is not a HOF.

how is Hossa a lock and Alfredsson not?

Alfredsson had more points in less games, equally strong 2-way game, 6 x all star (hossa only 5), was more successful internationally, won individual NHL awards

the only thing Hossa had that Alfredsson didn't, was winning cups on a STACKED Hawks team
- sensarmy_11

Hossa was on a level of Datsyuk and Bergeron defensively and was, to me, a way more dynamic playmaker. He had back-to-back 90+ point seasons on some woefully awful Thrashers teams as the playmaking set up man for most of Kovalchuks goals. And individual awards should not be based on team achievements, IMO, so I'm not taking the Hawks Cups into account.

To me, there's a big enough discrepancy between the two. Again, subjectively. And just like the Flyers fans felt when Mark Howe got in (would have won a few Norris Trophies if not for guys named Coffet and Bourque), there's bound to be bias amongst the Sens fanbase for one of their greats.

Alfredsson is not a hall of famer. Hossa was better in every facet of the game.

Tkachuk, Fleury, Roenick, Lindros, Kariya...these are iconic names and great players that are not in the Hall and Alfredsson is below all of them.
- Dahlmanyotes

Umm.....

Hall of Very Good. Damn good. Just not quite HOF
- Hesh_

Agreed

That's my point...they should have been more selective from the beginning. But since they weren't, they need to stick to the status quo.

I think most of the guys you listed (especially Kariya and Andreychuk) and deserving, but Glenn Anderson? And the king of all wtf, Bernie Federko Heck, even though he has 500+ goals, Michel Goulet!? If they are in, then yes, Alfie should be too.
- jmatchett383

why is Kariya more deserving than alfredsson? never cracked 1000 games, or 1000pts, his prime years were similar to alfredsson, only 1 more all-star game than Alfredsson, won 2 individual awards (same as alfredsson), similar international production in terms of ppg (alfredsson's numbers were higher, but he played more games for Sweden than Kariya did for Canada)

so tell me, why is Kariya more deserving?

Hossa was on a level of Datsyuk and Bergeron defensively and was, to me, a way more dynamic playmaker. He had back-to-back 90+ point seasons on some woefully awful Thrashers teams as the playmaking set up man for most of Kovalchuks goals. And individual awards should not be based on team achievements, IMO, so I'm not taking the Hawks Cups into account.

To me, there's a big enough discrepancy between the two. Again, subjectively. And just like the Flyers fans felt when Mark Howe got in (would have won a few Norris Trophies if not for guys named Coffet and Bourque), there's bound to be bias amongst the Sens fanbase for one of their greats.
- jmatchett383

it's not a bias.....every sens fan who says he should be there is throwing up statistics and facts to show why he's equal to or better than a lot of people already in there......everyone who says he shouldn't is simply saying "he's not good enough".....so if anything, the bias is being shown by people who say he shouldn't

How is Hossa a 2nd tier player? He's not Mario Lemieux, but he's one of the most complete players of the last 20 years and one of the best playmakers of his generation. He and Iginla should be no question locks.
- jmatchett383

That is my point. He isn't a Lemieux. That is what people think should be in the Hall, but that is not the case. Hossa and Alfie are in the same group. Hossa has a friendly resume with a cup and multiple final appearances.

it's not a bias.....every sens fan who says he should be there is throwing up statistics and facts to show why he's equal to or better than a lot of people already in there......everyone who says he shouldn't is simply saying "he's not good enough".....so if anything, the bias is being shown by people who say he shouldn't
- sensarmy_11

Alfredsson should be in. He had longevity and was very productive and consistent. Zetterberg will likely face the same challenges as Alfie when he's eligible for the HHOF. It'll be "yeah he was very good but not great so he shouldn't be in." Bernie Federko is in the HHOF. He had 1130 points in 1000 games but would any hockey fan ever call him great? I sure wouldn't. Let's face it. It's the Hall of Very Good Hockey players now.

Alfredsson should be in. He had longevity and was very productive and consistent. Zetterberg will likely face the same challenges as Alfie when he's eligible for the HHOF. It'll be "yeah he was very good but not great so he shouldn't be in." Bernie Federko is in the HHOF. He had 1130 points in 1000 games but would any hockey fan ever call him great? I sure wouldn't. Let's face it. It's the Hall of Very Good Hockey players now.
- gergeswillems

if the Hall only consisted for the truly "elite" players the league has seen, there would be less than 100 players in there.

I think people also often forget that it's the "Hockey hall of fame" not the "NHL hall of fame" so international accomplishments are part of it, and in that regard Alfredsson trumps a poop LOAD of players in the HHOF, especially when added to his NHL accomplishments.

He'll get in. Even if it isn't this year.

if the Hall only consisted for the truly "elite" players the league has seen, there would be less than 100 players in there.

I think people also often forget that it's the "Hockey hall of fame" not the "NHL hall of fame" so international accomplishments are part of it, and in that regard Alfredsson trumps a poop LOAD of players in the HHOF, especially when added to his NHL accomplishments.
- sensarmy_11

I mean in theory we like to believe that only great players should be in the hall of fame. But that's not what happens. It's a popularity contest. It's subjective. In baseball it was an absolute crime that Jack Morris had to wait almost 25 years to finally be inducted into the hall of fame. Because he was an A-hole with the media? Why should this be part of the voting criteria?

Winningest pitcher of the 80s. 3 World Series rings with 3 different teams including one of the most memorable pitching performances in World Series history with the 1991 Minnesota Twins. But Bert Blyleven was inducted before Morris was? Seriously?

Alfie should definitely be in and I think Mogilny, Jeremy Roenick and Theo Fleury should be in too. There's not enough "great" players to go around. Too many players who weren't great are already in the HHOF. You can't punish guys like Alfie now.

When does John Tonelli (NY Islanders) get in?????????

When does John Tonelli (NY Islanders) get in?????????
- Tee56

Why not? Clark Gillies is in. What about Steve Larmer?

Why not? Clark Gillies is in. What about Steve Larmer?
- gergeswillems

Absolutely, these guys were ultimate hockey players. Sometimes these HOF voters need to get away from the flash and get to the heart and soul of the game.

Steve Larmer before ending ending up in NY was skating RAT hockey in Chicago suburbs. A great guy a every day hockey guy.

how is Hossa a lock and Alfredsson not?

Alfredsson had more points in less games, equally strong 2-way game, 6 x all star (hossa only 5), was more successful internationally, won individual NHL awards

the only thing Hossa had that Alfredsson didn't, was winning cups on a STACKED Hawks team
- sensarmy_11

Well Alf was on an absolutely stacked Ottawa team for quite some time, so I don't think that's completely fair to use against Hossa.

Regardless, Alf belongs in the HHOF. He wasn't usually the best player on that team but he was an excellent leader and player for many years. He was the face of the org for like a decade. Whatever else was going on with Yashin, Heater, Redden, or Spezza, Alf was the Ottawa Senators. The guy deserves the nod.