A deal was in the works to move a Dman for Cirelli, so don't say Dubas doesn't do this deal like all of a sudden Kerfoot is ROR. Kerfoot is average and we have enough average on this team.
- SABRES 89

A lot of Leafs fans don’t even think he should play center after watching him crap out this year for them at 3C
And there’s guys here that wanna make him our 2C

It’s baffling

I think you're too locked in on the point totals. His on ice impact is strong, and has been for most of his career.



https://twitter.com/JFres...tatus/1226534753597259777
- Michael Ghofrani

how do we factor in him riding shotgun on the 2nd line with tavares and centering the third-line on a toronto team that was loaded up front?

Alright
- Michael Ghofrani

We are in desperate need of SCORING at the 2C slot
So yeah...
points matters A LOT for who we put there

Idk how u aren’t seeing that?

A lot of Leafs fans don’t even think he should play center after watching him crap out this year for them at 3C
And there’s guys here that wanna make him our 2C

It’s baffling
- jdfitz77

Because he would be a shiny new toy that can play center and we love AVERAGE shiny new toys. We are past the stage of average players, Pegula better get this turned around quick or your franchise saving player will be gone and that is no joke.

Even if ALL this is true...
Playing Kerfoot at 2C is the same dumbass mistake we’ve been making since we could “easily replace ROR”

If you could get your hate for Risto out of your mind, then maybe you’d realize that we need a better 2C than that if we wanna make the playoffs
- jdfitz77

People get so hung up on scoring goals.

Florida and Toronto score a lot of goals and each of them were playing musical chairs with that 3rd spot in the Atlantic all year long prior to the stoppage.

Goal differential is what matters. If Kerfoot comes in here and stabilizes the 2nd line and we get 45 points from him and his on ice impact reduces our goals against by an additional 5-10 goals we are in the playoffs.

Mojo puts up his 40 points on the third line in a role much more suitable for him.

Scoring goals is great, we scored more goals than Columbus, Dallas, Isles and they are all in the playoffs this year.

Goal differential is what matters. There are multiple ways to win. We are already a strong defensive team, Kerfoot would amplify that and bring more scoring to our roster.

Because he would be a shiny new toy that can play center and we love AVERAGE shiny new toys. We are past the stage of average players, Pegula better get this turned around quick or your franchise saving player will be gone and that is no joke.
- SABRES 89

We don’t always see eye to eye,
but I’m in agreement here

No more playing 3rd liners at 2C

We are in desperate need of SCORING at the 2C slot
So yeah...
points matters A LOT for who we put there

Idk how u aren’t seeing that?
- jdfitz77

Because i dont care about positional scoring, i care about the teams ability to generate offense and score.

individual point totals ignore teammates and are arbitrary. Like Skinner going from playing with Eichel to playing with Johansson.

And the arbitrary portion is that it implies that those who didn't pick up points on a play didnt contribute to the offense, which we know isn't true.

how do we factor in him riding shotgun on the 2nd line with tavares and centering the third-line on a toronto team that was loaded up front?
- Michael Pachla

that's where the advanced stats would come in. If you want a good visual representation, hockeyviz is a great resource.

Kerfoot is average, which is well above Ristolainen's impact.

I don't know about any deals for Cirelli. I'll eat my words/ink/virtual text if it comes to fruition.
- Michael Ghofrani

tampa is screwed next year...their projected cap-hit is $76M with eight roster spots open including cirelli, sergachev and, to an extent, cernak...

they have a middle of the road prospect pool (according to The Athletic's Scott Wheeler) that's heavy on forward talent...

and they don't have a first-rounder this year...

dangling buffalo's pick at 7 with the potential to grab the best d-prospect in the draft or 8, 9, or 10 to grab the top goalie prospect in the draft would be enticing to them...

the question is, could buffalo put together a package of that pick, plus whatever, as well as maybe take cedric paquette off of their hands for a little cap relief ($1.65M,) to get the deal done...

without giving up cozens in the deal

tampa is screwed next year...their projected cap-hit is $76M with eight roster spots open including cirelli, sergachev and, to an extent, cernak...

they have a middle of the road prospect pool (according to The Athletic's Scott Wheeler) that's heavy on forward talent...

and they don't have a first-rounder this year...

dangling buffalo's pick at 7 with the potential to grab the best d-prospect in the draft or 8, 9, or 10 to grab the top goalie prospect in the draft would be enticing to them...

the question is, could buffalo put together a package of that pick, plus whatever, as well as maybe take cedric paquette off of their hands for a little cap relief ($1.65M,) to get the deal done...

without giving up cozens in the deal
- Michael Pachla

They're pretty well committed to Vasilevsky.

As for pick 7, I think you could put a competitive package together, but they'll probably deal someone else to a team out west before they do an in division deal.

Kerfoot ? Bonafide ? what am I missing ? has Kerfoot done something that has made him a legit 2nd line center ?
- SABRES 89

This.

We don’t always see eye to eye,
but I’m in agreement here

No more playing 3rd liners at 2C
- jdfitz77

I'm telling you, some things that were told to me last night, Eichel is done with all this drama with coaches and gm's. All this change and it keeps getting worse, Pegula better get the point now or it will be to late. We lose Eichel and this franchise will never recover. Forget Briere and Drury, this would be 100 times worse.

People get so hung up on scoring goals.

Florida and Toronto score a lot of goals and each of them were playing musical chairs with that 3rd spot in the Atlantic all year long prior to the stoppage.

Goal differential is what matters. If Kerfoot comes in here and stabilizes the 2nd line and we get 45 points from him and his on ice impact reduces our goals against by an additional 5-10 goals we are in the playoffs.

Mojo puts up his 40 points on the third line in a role much more suitable for him.

Scoring goals is great, we scored more goals than Columbus, Dallas, Isles and they are all in the playoffs this year.

Goal differential is what matters. There are multiple ways to win. We are already a strong defensive team, Kerfoot would amplify that and bring more scoring to our roster.
- Pegullaville

Gotta have balance of course
But we absolutely need a 2nd line that can score on the regular
It’s well documented that Jack’s line can’t carry this team alone

So a “2way” line2 that doesn’t score consistently is still gonna kill us
That’s what our 3rd line should be

Line1- scoring line
Line2- scoring line
Line3- 2way line
Line4- defensive line

That’s how we are successful imo

Because i dont care about positional scoring, i care about the teams ability to generate offense and score.

individual point totals ignore teammates and are arbitrary. Like Skinner going from playing with Eichel to playing with Johansson.

And the arbitrary portion is that it implies that those who didn't pick up points on a play didnt contribute to the offense, which we know isn't true.
- Michael Ghofrani

If you think 2C is an “arbitrary position” then you haven’t been watching the Sabres since ROR was traded

If you think 2C is an “arbitrary position” then you haven’t been watching the Sabres since ROR was traded
- jdfitz77

I said individual point totals are arbitrary, not the 2C position.

I said individual point totals are arbitrary, not the 2C position.
- Michael Ghofrani

Well we are talking about Kerfoot playing 2C,
are we not?

Are u serious?

that's where the advanced stats would come in. If you want a good visual representation, hockeyviz is a great resource.
- Michael Ghofrani

well, his gar involves stints in colorado and toronto while playing two (or more?) positions...both of those teams are loaded up front, toronto moreso than colorado...his overall 'regular' numbers show a slight decline with averages in the mid-upper teens for goals and around 40 points...

he's a top-nine forward whose point production came while playing on two teams who were a.) loaded up-front and b.) were/are strong down the middle including two legit top-two centers...

and, his wins above replacement have declined over the past three years, almost halved...i see the positive percentage (59%,) however, did that number go down because of his 3rd-line center role in toronto?

People get so hung up on scoring goals.

Florida and Toronto score a lot of goals and each of them were playing musical chairs with that 3rd spot in the Atlantic all year long prior to the stoppage.

Goal differential is what matters. If Kerfoot comes in here and stabilizes the 2nd line and we get 45 points from him and his on ice impact reduces our goals against by an additional 5-10 goals we are in the playoffs.

Mojo puts up his 40 points on the third line in a role much more suitable for him.

Scoring goals is great, we scored more goals than Columbus, Dallas, Isles and they are all in the playoffs this year.

Goal differential is what matters. There are multiple ways to win. We are already a strong defensive team, Kerfoot would amplify that and bring more scoring to our roster.
- Pegullaville

johansson put up more points than kerfoot while playing on a weaker team both overall and up front

Well we are talking about Kerfoot playing 2C,
are we not?

Are u serious?
- jdfitz77

yeah and I believe there are plenty of metrics that show he can be effective at helping the Sabres in that role.

But his point totals are not my area of focus, that particular stat is what im calling arbitrary.

They're pretty well committed to Vasilevsky.

As for pick 7, I think you could put a competitive package together, but they'll probably deal someone else to a team out west before they do an in division deal.
- Michael Ghofrani

won't argue that...depends what they want...

and i'd also add that i don't think trading with the sabres would pose an immediate threat to their Atlantic Division dominance

well, his gar involves stints in colorado and toronto while playing two (or more?) positions...both of those teams are loaded up front, toronto moreso than colorado...his overall 'regular' numbers show a slight decline with averages in the mid-upper teens for goals and around 40 points...

he's a top-nine forward whose point production came while playing on two teams who were a.) loaded up-front and b.) were/are strong down the middle including two legit top-two centers...

and, his wins above replacement have declined over the past three years, almost halved...i see the positive percentage (59%,) however, did that number go down because of his 3rd-line center role in toronto?
- Michael Pachla

Kerfoot scored 42 points and his two most common line mates on the Avs were Tyson Jost and Colin Wilson. He also had strong on ice impacts and was one of the best defensive forwards in the league during his 2 year stint in Colorado.

https://editorinleaf.com/...onto-maple-leafs-kerfoot/

well, his gar involves stints in colorado and toronto while playing two (or more?) positions...both of those teams are loaded up front, toronto moreso than colorado...his overall 'regular' numbers show a slight decline with averages in the mid-upper teens for goals and around 40 points...

he's a top-nine forward whose point production came while playing on two teams who were a.) loaded up-front and b.) were/are strong down the middle including two legit top-two centers...

and, his wins above replacement have declined over the past three years, almost halved...i see the positive percentage (59%,) however, did that number go down because of his 3rd-line center role in toronto?
- Michael Pachla

Stacked offense actually works against players sometimes. In Toronto the offense didn't run through him nearly as much as in Colorado. Tavares and Nylander handled the puck more, Kerfoot was mostly relied upon for other things like defensive stability.

If Kapanen hadn't taken a major step back, Kerfoot would probably have stronger offensive numbers while he was his centre. Although the usage of that line was kind weird to begin with.

And by stronger offensive numbers im referring to GAR/WAR as they are linear stat lines. His XG has been consistently good IIRC

Your hate for Risto is blinding you

Sub Montour in this trade,
do u still like it?


And u really like Kerfoot at 2C for us?
No way
If that’s the best we can do,
then just let Cozens & Mitts battle it out for that spot in the lineup
- jdfitz77

Adam's should be meeting with him to see what he looks like, review his workout program so far and lay down tough love expectations for the upcoming season...
20 pullups, 100 pushups, lol..

Alright Im good on the Kerfoot/Risto stuff.

Any lottery guesses for tomorrow?

Mine:

1st-Anaheim
2nd- One of the play in teams
3rd- Los Angeles

johansson put up more points than kerfoot while playing on a weaker team both overall and up front
- Michael Pachla

Johansson also didn’t fit well with Skinner and would have maintained that production I feel if he played with Olofsson and Kahun for an 82 game sample size.

Kerfoot is a stronger defensive player that makes up for Skinner’s inefficencies in his own zone (much like Larsson did during their stint together which happened to be Skinner’s most productive stretch of this season) while bringing 40 point capabilities.