Guy Carbonneau is an insane selection. This is one of those players that because there were no analytics at that time, Tanner has no clue of how good he actually was.

Sorry James, but Shane Doan put on an absolute CLINIC on Mantracker. He pretty much carried his brother over the finish line. That alone warrants HOF consideration.
- poopstash

You are absolutely right. That was a an awesome episode and should definitely make Shane a first ballot shoo in.

Iginla only saw the playoffs 7 times in 22 years, yet no one says he’s a terrible leader.

Mcdavid has only made the playoffs as of now twice in five years, yet no one says he’s a terrible leader.

John Tavares made the playoffs 3 times in the 9 years he made the playoffs with the isles, yet no one says he’s a terrible leader.

No one questioned how much these guys care about winning and the only people that crapped on them for wasting their careers were fans of other teams. No one bothered to pay attention to Doan and why would they, he played for a team no one cared about. Leaderships a great thing to have on a team. Leaders do a number things off the ice and on the ice such as motivate their teammates to be the best they can be but what all those players I mentioned have in common is that even at their team’s best they still sucked.
- RedC21

actually pretty much every islanders fan thinks snakevares is a terrible leader.

As usual, the author gets owned by his readers and disappears. Watch for him to get the last word in here right before uploading his next piece. Kaberle top 5 in his era. Gardiner outperforming Doughty. Galchenyuk better than Domi. Yawn.

actually pretty much every islanders fan thinks snakevares is a terrible leader.
- mgriffen

Well that’s understandable given what happened. Even myself I didn’t think he would leave when the isles looked like they were finally turning a corner with trotz, Barzal and company but that’s another debate.

I’ve never been in his locker room to know what he’s like in there. Personally his over the top serious lead by example isn’t my first choice when it comes to captains as even you see those types like Toews even get emotional at times. But Toronto had a couple of other good options to choose from and for all the heat Babcock’s rightfully taken I don’t think after having the leaders he did in Detroit that he would have slapped the C on someone he didn’t think was a good option.

Guy Carbonneau is an insane selection. This is one of those players that because there were no analytics at that time, Tanner has no clue of how good he actually was.
- MJL

Remember, Tanner thinks if you are not a top line player then you are totally interchangeable. Carbonneau was never a top 6 guy...ergo...he could easily be replaced by an AHL guy. Also, Tanner thinks faceoffs are useless, as well as blocking shots. So Carbonneau had nothing to contribute. I guess the 3 Selkes and 3 Cups don't matter. Tanner likely thinks Bob Gainey is a joke too. Gainey's offensive numbers were even lower than Carbonneau so that's another bottom 6 plug that doesn't belong. Strange that the smartest coaches in the game loved guys like Gainey and Carbonneau. Add up the Cups. But i forgot, those are dinosaur coaches. Millennials like Tanner think the recipe to success is Nik Petan and Cody Franson.

Iginla only saw the playoffs 7 times in 22 years, yet no one says he’s a terrible leader.

Mcdavid has only made the playoffs as of now twice in five years, yet no one says he’s a terrible leader.

John Tavares made the playoffs 3 times in the 9 years he made the playoffs with the isles, yet no one says he’s a terrible leader.

No one questioned how much these guys care about winning and the only people that crapped on them for wasting their careers were fans of other teams. No one bothered to pay attention to Doan and why would they, he played for a team no one cared about. Leaderships a great thing to have on a team. Leaders do a number things off the ice and on the ice such as motivate their teammates to be the best they can be but what all those players I mentioned have in common is that even at their team’s best they still sucked.
- RedC21

All those guys have way better numbers than Doan

Its the hall of fame not the hall of decent

Sorry James, but Shane Doan put on an absolute CLINIC on Mantracker. He pretty much carried his brother over the finish line. That alone warrants HOF consideration.
- poopstash

100%. Doan walked up a mountain at other peoples running speed and didn't even break a sweat. He was a (frank)ing animal.

Iginla only saw the playoffs 7 times in 22 years, yet no one says he’s a terrible leader.

Mcdavid has only made the playoffs as of now twice in five years, yet no one says he’s a terrible leader.

John Tavares made the playoffs 3 times in the 9 years he made the playoffs with the isles, yet no one says he’s a terrible leader.

No one questioned how much these guys care about winning and the only people that crapped on them for wasting their careers were fans of other teams. No one bothered to pay attention to Doan and why would they, he played for a team no one cared about. Leaderships a great thing to have on a team. Leaders do a number things off the ice and on the ice such as motivate their teammates to be the best they can be but what all those players I mentioned have in common is that even at their team’s best they still sucked.
- RedC21

Doan is my all time favourite player. Loved the way he hockey'd.

I don't overly like the Coyotes sweaters so I didn't/couldn't get him with them, so I instead got him on a Team Canada sweater.

Doan could play the game. HOF might be a reach. Scored goals, fights when called for, battled every game. Take him on my team anytime

This is spot on

Don't you know, He is Super educated!....Don't let that get lost in all the ramblings. He is way, WAY smarter(read "more educated") Than either you or I, Or anyone else for that matter. However his education has him still renting(super/duper smart) You and i would not get how much better renting is compared to owning our living establishment. Also his super/duper educated mind has him smoking cigs in the last decade(i know, It seems low-life, However once again you have to defer to his mega education for this one)"wicked" smart. Then there is the owning Cd's of no-name artists-vs- just streaming? This is not his education talking! It is his super/duper hipster education talking.
Hockey? He knows nothing(and i mean NOTHING) about this topic, However as a Canadian, He has the pulse of the American people tuned in better than......Wait for it......The American people!
That is how "educated" Tan-boy is!!
- camfor

I have been dealing with this tool since he started "writing"
Some goodies,
Oel is a top 5 D-man in the league
Josi is not in the top 25 D-men in the league
Edmonton will win the next 5 cups
Toronto will win the next 5 cups

When this doesn't come to fruition......
The stanley cup comes down to luck, And luck only
White guys suck
Old guys suck
White/old guys suck(might have this incorrect in order)
Chaka is a genius
Tocchet sucks(see white guys suck)
Renting is better than owning
Franson/Runblad is a great first pairing "D" pairing
Tanner(not jimmy tannner) Glass and Sidney Crosby have basically the same shot
Rantta/Kuemper are elite goalies(all of a sudden) It has nothing to do with Tocchet's system.(Tocchet sucks)
Defensive "D" men suck! . Unless they don't(see Hjarlmasson)
My typing/spelling sucks(says Tan-Man) unless his typing/spelling sucks(Dude , Get a life)
Trump is Hitler reincarnated!
Trudeau is awesome(not as awesome as Dubas however)
Can't we all try and get along?
People are just not as smart as i am!
And that is the crux of it all right there(see immediately above)
- camfor

Tanner is the definition of lazy. All he has to do is look at his stats or Corsi etc. Doesn't have to watch the games. He’s probably watching movies when the Yotes are playing

Tanner is the definition of lazy. All he has to do is look at his stats or Corsi etc. Doesn't have to watch the games. He’s probably watching movies when the Yotes are playing
- Angus4444

Yeah but he watches movies that are so much better than your movies. His movies are the most underrated movies of all time.

Not sure what's worse. Listening to Tanner or Trumps diarrhea spewing out of their mouths...

Not sure what's worse. Listening to Tanner or Trumps diarrhea spewing out of their mouths...
- brandxbeer138

it is interesting.

both are fat, generally unhealthy, make extreme exaggerations and are soulless gingers.

one is running a country. the other one trolls people on a hockey website.

only explanation is trump got lucky and his pdo is too high.

it is interesting.

both are fat, generally unhealthy, make extreme exaggerations and are soulless gingers.

one is running a country. the other one trolls people on a hockey website.

only explanation is trump got lucky and his pdo is too high.
- Tumbleweed

Trump knows more about hockey than Jimmy does.

Trump knows more about hockey than Jimmy does.
- gergeswillems

Careful. If Trump's team got a powerplay he might make the dinosaur mistake of putting his best players on the ice to try to exploit that advantage. We all know from Tanner that a truly brilliant hockey mind would rest those players and instead use Cody Franson and Nik Petan in that situation. Like duh.

Careful. If Trump's team got a powerplay he might make the dinosaur mistake of putting his best players on the ice to try to exploit that advantage. We all know from Tanner that a truly brilliant hockey mind would rest those players and instead use Cody Franson and Nik Petan in that situation. Like duh.
- Kooleus

I think the time limit on that has run out. Time for some new material.

Careful. If Trump's team got a powerplay he might make the dinosaur mistake of putting his best players on the ice to try to exploit that advantage. We all know from Tanner that a truly brilliant hockey mind would rest those players and instead use Cody Franson and Nik Petan in that situation. Like duh.
- Kooleus

tanner will start a protest to have the refs defunded.

it'll get ugly fast when he starts throwing molotov cocktails at the hot dog guy and starts ripping down statues of old players.

tanner will start a protest to have the refs defunded.

it'll get ugly fast when he starts throwing molotov cocktails at the hot dog guy and starts ripping down statues of old players.
- Tumbleweed

Kaberle will be devastated.

Iginla only saw the playoffs 7 times in 22 years, yet no one says he’s a terrible leader.

Mcdavid has only made the playoffs as of now twice in five years, yet no one says he’s a terrible leader.

John Tavares made the playoffs 3 times in the 9 years he made the playoffs with the isles, yet no one says he’s a terrible leader.

No one questioned how much these guys care about winning and the only people that crapped on them for wasting their careers were fans of other teams. No one bothered to pay attention to Doan and why would they, he played for a team no one cared about. Leaderships a great thing to have on a team. Leaders do a number things off the ice and on the ice such as motivate their teammates to be the best they can be but what all those players I mentioned have in common is that even at their team’s best they still sucked.
- RedC21

Iginla was a superstar Shane Doan never was.
Mcdavid is really young. HIs playoff appearances are irrelevant at this point.

My point was clearly his lack of numbers+no playoff success. I did not just comment on his lack of playoff appearnces. It's nit like he had 500+ goals, 1200 points

Iginla was a superstar Shane Doan never was.
Mcdavid is really young. HIs playoff appearances are irrelevant at this point.

My point was clearly his lack of numbers+no playoff success. I did not just comment on his lack of playoff appearnces. It's nit like he had 500+ goals, 1200 points
- RogerRoeper

Well I guess it’s a good thing the point I was making wasn’t that Doan is comparable to those guys skill wise.

You said you didn’t understand why he was hyped up as a great leader because his team never saw the playoffs and he wasn’t some super skilled player. The reality is team success and skill level don’t have any correlation with leadership qualities. If that was the case kane would be captain of the hawks and Gaudreau would be captain of the flames, yet neither of them have any letters. Plus some depth guys around the league have also been the best mentors/leaders on their teams.

what are your selection criteria for best movies?

James Tanner: Sorry But Shane Doan Isn't Worthy of Even HOF Consideration
- James_Tanner

Well, Tanner is not worthy of having a hockey "column", but here we are...

Well I guess it’s a good thing the point I was making wasn’t that Doan is comparable to those guys skill wise.

You said you didn’t understand why he was hyped up as a great leader because his team never saw the playoffs and he wasn’t some super skilled player. The reality is team success and skill level don’t have any correlation with leadership qualities. If that was the case kane would be captain of the hawks and Gaudreau would be captain of the flames, yet neither of them have any letters. Plus some depth guys around the league have also been the best mentors/leaders on their teams.
- RedC21

I've never heard of anyone called a great leader who had as little success as Doan. Hell, Yzerman was destroyed for being a terrible leader until 1997.

I stand by my point that in a big hockey market someone would not be looked as fondly as Doan with no success