They signed Seabrook to his extension before Panarin played his first game with Chicago. You can complain about the dollar amount, the term, etc. but to say to not sign Seabs to prioritize Panarin 2 years down the line when his original contract was up is kinda reaching I would say. Also what would buying out Bickell do? His salary equalled his cap hit, so you would still have to carry his $4.5 mil. salary on the books. $2.25 mil. for twice the remaining length of the contract so 4 years.
- LAHawk

Yes your correct Seabrook was signed in the 14-15 season for 15-16 plus . That was stan's biggest mistake .

You also have to look at what Hjalmarsson is right now vs what you have in Murphy. I love what Hjalmarsson brought as much as the next person, but he and Murphy give you about the same thing right now (with Murphy adding slightly more offense).

Sentimentality is great when you don't apply it to today.
- Chunk

Few want to admit it because he was a very important part to 3 Cups. The last 2 moreso. He was not very good his last two seasons in Chicago. They traded him at the right time. Murphy is better right now and if Q didn't have a hissy fit about losing Hammer, Murphy would have been better the day the trade was made. Provided Q let him adjust naturally to the system and not jerked him in and out of the line-up.

I hear everyone's point and we all have our strong feelings about them and I completely understand and respect .

You summed up my point here. I m.j didn't know beaudin was called up lol my fault on that .
I agree we will never know fully if JC was always stand guy or if he is a place holder.

I agree JC would serve the organization better by going back to Rockford and developing these young kids .

My biggest gripe is coach q deserved a much better handling of his firing, stan should have let him go the summer prior , if he was on this ice. I still believe if he had as much talent as the team has no their record would be better.
- Taylorst1

Most would say he has more talent in Florida. How is that working out?

well if you extend PAN long term after year 2 im guessing its more like a 8 mil AAV. so were do you find 18.5 how about Seabrook SAAD and don't trade for MAtta and shaw?
- kmw4631

Your timeline is a bit stretchy. There are some years in there where other moves would have need to be made before you get to that point.

You reap what you sew
- oldduffman

So! What precisely are you trying to say: "You rip what you sew" or "You reap what you sow"?

So! What precisely are you trying to say: "You rip what you sew" or "You reap what you sow"?
- stanleyhawk

oh so sorry , sow as in you reap what you sow. My deepest apologies for any misunderstandings

The "no human can take that many hits" series from 2015 is on NBCSN if anyone wants to watch a few dirt bags (17 and 10 come to mind) get beat by the Hawks

MLB officially coming back July 24th. 60 game season. Schedule expected within 72 hours.

Let’s go White Sox!!! Our time has come!!!!!

I think some of the challenges are certain state governors who have imposed draconian rules and not followed the data but moved the goal post.

We should all remember lockdowns are unconstitutional, we take risks every day .
- Taylorst1

How do you explain seat belt and motorcycle helmet laws vs. Covid mask laws being proposed?

Easy Peasy.

Here is a link to the 2016-17 roster. The one that got spanked by the Preds. Take a look and let us know who you move to pay Panarin 8 x 8.

https://www.hockeydb.com/...ons/teams/0000352017.html

Be sure to use cap friendly to do the math too.

Oh and also, did any one of us hockey genuises think at that time that Panarin could carry his own line or he was he more a product of Kane?
- Rota's Rooter

Exactly! It's always easy to use the hindsight lens or hop in the Way Back Machine to demonstrate what a moron Stanblow is.

While some thought Teuvo might develop into a really good player, the majority here (likely those complaining about the trade now) thought he was a Finnish waif who was contact averse and would never amount to much.

You probably would have had to move Kane to make Panarin's money work whether it was 8X8 or $11M. Through the hindsight lens again, maybe getting a slew of picks and prospects for Kane and keeping Panarin could have been a good move but I'm with you in thinking at the time that Panarin was more a product of Kane.

I didn't think he'd turn into the player he has. After a so-so playoff against the Blues and his performance against the Preds...yes I get it the whole team was a collective no show, but Little Arty was having a hard time getting anywhere near the net.

Anyway, after that I can't imagine people would have been thrilled giving Panarin a bunch of money for term and most here thought Stan made a great deal at the time.

Just a reminder that the 1st phase of the draft lottery will take place Friday evening, 7 p.m. Central. It will be televised on NBCSN, NHL Network, Sportsnet and TVA. Here's a link explaining how it works. It's too early in the morning for me to understand it.

https://www.nhl.com/news/...ery-procedure/c-317026602

Your timeline is a bit stretchy. There are some years in there where other moves would have need to be made before you get to that point.
- Elbows15

my point is if Seabs wanted to be paid like a top 10 d man at 31 with max years. I tell him lets play out the season and we can discuss later in the year or off season. why the rush to sign him a year before his contract is over. if they wait on that contract they see PAN potential and earmark some of that money for him and get younger at the same time.

Hawks Bruins game 6 is on NHL Network. 6 minutes left in the game

my point is if Seabs wanted to be paid like a top 10 d man at 31 with max years. I tell him lets play out the season and we can discuss later in the year or off season. why the rush to sign him a year before his contract is over. if they wait on that contract they see PAN potential and earmark some of that money for him and get younger at the same time.
- kmw4631

Seabs prior 5 year contract was for $5.8mil AAV. So even if you gave Seabs NO increase (which is ludicrous, he was still playing at a top level), you only save $1 mil. that is enough for Panarin's 8 X 8? Chicago was in win now (or win more) at that time. Do you think Stan should of thought to trade Seabs for picks? Especially at that time you had no one in your system to come close to replacing him? I as everyone on here hate that Seabs got 8 years, that was a mistake, but at that time his AAV of $6.8 was actually below what he would get as a free agent. That is probably why the 8 years, Stan said I can't give you 8 x 5, it doesn't work with our cap, how about we stretch the money out over max term.


I hope Seabs can come back. If he can get his mobility back, he can be the Mike Roszival for the next few years. (the one everyone hated until he got injured, and then realized how important he was to the team).

Seabs prior 5 year contract was for $5.8mil AAV. So even if you gave Seabs NO increase (which is ludicrous, he was still playing at a top level), you only save $1 mil. that is enough for Panarin's 8 X 8? Chicago was in win now (or win more) at that time. Do you think Stan should of thought to trade Seabs for picks? Especially at that time you had no one in your system to come close to replacing him? I as everyone on here hate that Seabs got 8 years, that was a mistake, but at that time his AAV of $6.8 was actually below what he would get as a free agent. That is probably why the 8 years, Stan said I can't give you 8 x 5, it doesn't work with our cap, how about we stretch the money out over max term.


I hope Seabs can come back. If he can get his mobility back, he can be the Mike Roszival for the next few years. (the one everyone hated until he got injured, and then realized how important he was to the team).
- LAHawk

Some great points. Like you said the money wasn't so ridiculous but everyone knew the term was bad and would probably look bad to awful toward the end.

Idk about you but unlike some of the board Nostradami, I wouldn't have guessed Seabs game would fall off a cliff 2 years after the contract kicked in.

On Rozy, he didn't have great 1st round series vs the Preds in '15 but was playing well against the Wild before his ankle snapped in half. God that was gruesome.

Then Q was forced to use a rotation of Kimmo, Rundy, Cumiskey and an injured rookie in TVR.

With Oduya banged up vs the Lightning, was amazing they were able to bring that series home.

How do you explain seat belt and motorcycle helmet laws vs. Covid mask laws being proposed?
- rpeters01

There's no helmet laws in Illinois

Seabs prior 5 year contract was for $5.8mil AAV. So even if you gave Seabs NO increase (which is ludicrous, he was still playing at a top level), you only save $1 mil. that is enough for Panarin's 8 X 8? Chicago was in win now (or win more) at that time. Do you think Stan should of thought to trade Seabs for picks? Especially at that time you had no one in your system to come close to replacing him? I as everyone on here hate that Seabs got 8 years, that was a mistake, but at that time his AAV of $6.8 was actually below what he would get as a free agent. That is probably why the 8 years, Stan said I can't give you 8 x 5, it doesn't work with our cap, how about we stretch the money out over max term.


I hope Seabs can come back. If he can get his mobility back, he can be the Mike Roszival for the next few years. (the one everyone hated until he got injured, and then realized how important he was to the team).
- LAHawk

I hear you LA, people have convenient memories about contacts and moves the Hawks shouldn't of made

Some great points. Like you said the money wasn't so ridiculous but everyone knew the term was bad and would probably look bad to awful toward the end.

Idk about you but unlike some of the board Nostradami, I wouldn't have guessed Seabs game would fall off a cliff 2 years after the contract kicked in.

On Rozy, he didn't have great 1st round series vs the Preds in '15 but was playing well against the Wild before his ankle snapped in half. God that was gruesome.

Then Q was forced to use a rotation of Kimmo, Rundy, Cumiskey and an injured rookie in TVR.

With Oduya banged up vs the Lightning, was amazing they were able to bring that series home.
- HawkintheD

Yup. I've always felt the Hawks played that SCF series with 3.5 d-men. Oduya said he got hurt in game 3 of the finals but, I remember him getting lit up pretty good against the Ducks. I think he was a little weebly going into the finals.

Still a magnificent effort by all of them that year.

There's no helmet laws in Illinois
- BetweenTheDots

That doesn't answer the question there are seat belt laws?

I never saw Seabs as a No 1 top 15 D man in the NHL a very good # 2 in his prime which might put him around 30th in the NHL. he has always been paid like a top 10 the last 9 years. with 4 more to go. Why cant players make less on the 2nd big contract. are they getting better at 31? that is old school thinking. you need to project there production and pay it accordingly. a bottom pairing RD makes 3 mil a year. he was never getting over 7 mil on the open maeket and 7 X 7 is 49 mil so even if you said 7 is the number his AAV should have been roughly 6 mil and not 6.87.

I never saw Seabs as a No 1 top 15 D man in the NHL a very good # 2 in his prime which might put him around 30th in the NHL. he has always been paid like a top 10 the last 9 years. with 4 more to go. Why cant players make less on the 2nd big contract. are they getting better at 31? that is old school thinking. you need to project there production and pay it accordingly. a bottom pairing RD makes 3 mil a year. he was never getting over 7 mil on the open maeket and 7 X 7 is 49 mil so even if you said 7 is the number his AAV should have been roughly 6 mil and not 6.87.
- kmw4631

Unfortunately, because that is not what the market pays. I don't think you are going to find anyone here that is going to defend the contract as written. (I wasn't a fan of the years or the money, but I also would prefer that the Hawks don't sign ANYONE over four years). Look at Karlsson, and Vlasic in SJ. No way they SHOULD have those contracts, but they do. The league is littered with bad contracts on almost every team.

you do not give Seabs an ETC and you keep Leddy that 1.5 savings goes to PAN and you do not trade PAN for SAAD and you extend PAN 8 X 8. danult just starting making money now. TT contract is pretty reasonable you buyout Bickell and extend TT. you could have made it work the key would have been prioritizing PAN over SEAbs on the extension.
- kmw4631

You're the best after the fact GM I've ever seen!

That doesn't answer the question there are seat belt laws?
- rpeters01

It's a minor offense, really don't have to wear one if you don't want to

oh so sorry , sow as in you reap what you sow. My deepest apologies for any misunderstandings
- oldduffman

Yes Duff some have a tough time figuring things out if it's not literal enough for them

I never saw Seabs as a No 1 top 15 D man in the NHL a very good # 2 in his prime which might put him around 30th in the NHL. he has always been paid like a top 10 the last 9 years. with 4 more to go. Why cant players make less on the 2nd big contract. are they getting better at 31? that is old school thinking. you need to project there production and pay it accordingly. a bottom pairing RD makes 3 mil a year. he was never getting over 7 mil on the open maeket and 7 X 7 is 49 mil so even if you said 7 is the number his AAV should have been roughly 6 mil and not 6.87.
- kmw4631

It was his third contract, not his second. First, the Hawks lost Oduya to free agency, that is why Seabs ended up playing with Gustafson in the St. Louis series the next year, no depth. Second, Mike Green got $6 million 3 years no trade as the premier free agent defenseman that year at age 30.

These are the top 15 highest paid defenseman in 2015. If you think Seabs was going to sign for $7 mil., and take a home town discount for his last big contract, with nothing but rosy predictions of a cap that will keep rising, that is fine. I don't think he (or his agent or the NHLPA) would.

https://www.thesportster....for-the-2015-2016-season/