or he has already asked for a trade



- homiedclown

"I don't know if I can take playing here anymore."

"Man, you guys need to fix this or you might as well trade me."

"I think we need to explore other teams."

"I'm to the point where a trade might do me and the team better."

"I'd like to be traded."

"I want to be traded."

"Trade me."

"Trade me now!"


What was the tone of his trade request?...that's my question.

Sorry if this has already been posted:

https://www.bardown.com/t...e-warped-boards-1.1487800

When it rains it pours.

Mittelstadt and Cozens were his attempts at replacing him.

I think it’s too early to slap the bust label on Mitts, I think he still has top 6 talent I just believe it’s as a winger not as a Center. He struggles in the defensive zone and a lot of it is due to average speed.

Mitts is probably my biggest whiff ever. I really thought we had our 2C and I allowed his WJC and other various international tournaments to cloud my judgement over the various red flags that were popping up across the duration of his USHL/College career that are plaguing him now.

Should Botts have acquired a stop gap and not rushed Casey ? Absolutely.
- Pegullaville

If KrAdams can land a No. 2 C, which is no small feat, without selling the farm, it will go a long way in stabilizing the team and pushing them towards the playoffs. Still gotta fix their defensive scheme and probably as important, fix that PK.

I'd like to see Cozens and Mitts in a third line role next season

Snooki leaving Jersey Shore?

I didn't realize that show was still on...I must be old
- Michael Pachla

Jersey Shore has less drama then the Sabres with the Pegulas

"I don't know if I can take playing here anymore."

"Man, you guys need to fix this or you might as well trade me."

"I think we need to explore other teams."

"I'm to the point where a trade might do me and the team better."

"I'd like to be traded."

"I want to be traded."

"Trade me."

"Trade me now!"


What was the tone of his trade request?...that's my question.
- Michael Pachla

the tone was with dignity

the tone was with dignity



- homiedclown

Lmk when it goes from dignified frustration to angry demands

If KrAdams can land a No. 2 C, which is no small feat, without selling the farm, it will go a long way in stabilizing the team and pushing them towards the playoffs. Still gotta fix their defensive scheme and probably as important, fix that PK.

I'd like to see Cozens and Mitts in a third line role next season
- Michael Pachla

team was 12 points out of a playoff spot and tied for worst record in the last 10 games when the season paused


our second line center was a .5 ppg player


Krejci, the second line center on the best team in the NHL had 43 points in 61 games


I don't think 12 more points from a second line center gets us over the hump and fixes the problems



we have 2 centers picked in the top 10 in the last 3 years and a top ten pick this fall



if those three darts can't get you the long term center you need, it's really time to blow up the team because this is literally the worst rebuild I have ever seen, and that is getting 2 generational players in eichel and dahlin

Lmk when it goes from dignified frustration to angry demands
- Michael Pachla

more to come

with eichel and dahlin


we literally got 2 of the best 4 prospects to come out in the last 7 years


and we still f@cking suck



it's not because of tim murray or botts
it's not because of disco sucks dan or housley or ralph


it all starts and ends at the top

team was 12 points out of a playoff spot and tied for worst record in the last 10 games when the season paused

our second line center was a .5 ppg player

Krejci, the second line center on the best team in the NHL had 43 points in 61 games

I don't think 12 more points from a second line center gets us over the hump and fixes the problems

we have 2 centers picked in the top 10 in the last 3 years and a top ten pick this fall

if those three darts can't get you the long term center you need, it's really time to blow up the team because this is literally the worst rebuild I have ever seen, and that is getting 2 generational players in eichel and dahlin
- homiedclown

It's far from only about the 12 more points.

It's about the impact that would have up and down the lineup, including Skinner having a competent Center to work with.

team was 12 points out of a playoff spot and tied for worst record in the last 10 games when the season paused


our second line center was a .5 ppg player


Krejci, the second line center on the best team in the NHL had 43 points in 61 games


I don't think 12 more points from a second line center gets us over the hump and fixes the problems



we have 2 centers picked in the top 10 in the last 3 years and a top ten pick this fall



if those three darts can't get you the long term center you need, it's really time to blow up the team because this is literally the worst rebuild I have ever seen, and that is getting 2 generational players in eichel and dahlin
- homiedclown

All good points. However, getting that No. 2 means the forwards can fall into place, like Mojo who can move to wing. It also should increase Skinner's production as he'll either be on the top line with Jack or have a real center with whom he can work.

It also puts Cozens or Mitts in a 3C role with much less pressure with the other moving to wing in a top- nine role.


I think.

It's far from only about the 12 more points.

It's about the impact that would have up and down the lineup, including Skinner having a competent Center to work with.
- kingcong39

Yeah. What he said

It's far from only about the 12 more points.

It's about the impact that would have up and down the lineup, including Skinner having a competent Center to work with.
- kingcong39

who was the second line center when the kings or hawks won their cups?

I think it's more square pegs trying to go in round holes and if people think a center will fix the problems, they are wrong


we have a lot more issues then that


all I am trying to say

It's far from only about the 12 more points.

It's about the impact that would have up and down the lineup, including Skinner having a competent Center to work with.
- kingcong39

Jack Eichel WAR is 2.06 wins

That is 4 points

Granted it is not a perfect process determining but just a 50 point second line center does not get this team 6 more points

They need a 2C, 1 top line winger, and 2 middle 6 wingers, and a starting goalie

Jack Eichel WAR is 2.06 wins

That is 4 points

Granted it is not a perfect process determining but just a 50 point second line center does not get this team 6 more points

They need a 2C, 1 top line winger, and 2 middle 6 wingers, and a starting goalie
- Stripes77

To use one of your lines: WAR has a lot of issues, and I'll leave it at that.

Jack Eichel only being worth 4 points in the standings is a joke to anyone that watched him play last season and looked at other advanced stats.

Nobody is saying fixing the Center issue will fix everything, but fixing it will be a massive start.

All good points. However, getting that No. 2 means the forwards can fall into place, like Mojo who can move to wing. It also should increase Skinner's production as he'll either be on the top line with Jack or have a real center with whom he can work.

It also puts Cozens or Mitts in a 3C role with much less pressure with the other moving to wing in a top- nine role.


I think.
- Michael Pachla

my 2 cents


the needs are a center for second line
a rw for second line
some form of continuity in the 3rd line
none of our d pairings look great together, I never see 2 d men out there and say we are good, always holding my breath for the next gaff
a goalie that can keep us in games



so a top 6 rw
a second line center
a third line center
a RD that can play with Dahlin
a LD that can elevate the other top 4 pair
a starting goalie



that's a lot of holes looking up and down the lineup



and I have not even addressed the 4th line issues if guys walk, the RW issue if they trade reinhart, the RD issues if they move 2 of 3 between risto, montour, and miller

we have 2 elite players in dahlin and eichel
3 really good top 6 pieces in reinhart, skinner and olofsson (assuming olofsson improves and shows he is a legit two way player instead of a 1 trick pony)



lots of holes for tanking since the 13-14 season and not a lot of draft picks or blue chip prospects to help up front

To use one of your lines: WAR has a lot of issues, and I'll leave it at that.

Jack Eichel only being worth 4 points in the standings is a joke to anyone that watched him play last season and looked at other advanced stats.

Nobody is saying fixing the Center issue will fix everything, but fixing it will be a massive start.
- kingcong39

He is worth 2 more wins above the league average 1st line centers not 2 total wins

He is worth 2 more wins above the league average 1st line centers not 2 total wins
- Stripes77

what is considered the average first line center?

lindholm?
horvat?
barzal?

what is considered the average first line center?

lindholm?
horvat?
barzal?
- homiedclown

That I couldn't answer there is way too much math.

I don't think they have a name just average amount of points said player gets

Then has some weird formula to determine how points equals wins, etc etc.

It isn't a perfect formula by any stretch but it just goes to show how one player can't change everything.

The only player that could make the Sabres any good record wise is prime Hasek

So-called "advanced" stats are (frank)ing stupid.

The Pegulas are (frank)ing stupid.

New York is (frank)ing stupid.

Beer is good.

Could have been a lot different with some of those picks, and prospects, if not for those 51 trades in the last 6yrs.

Could have been a lot different with some of those picks, and prospects, if not for those 51 trades in the last 6yrs.
- Buff36

build through draft and prospects


then fire all scouts and piss away picks for froliks, simmonds, vesey, millers, wilson etc


f@ck you teri and kym

He is worth 2 more wins above the league average 1st line centers not 2 total wins
- Stripes77

He's worth more than that.

my 2 cents


the needs are a center for second line
a rw for second line
some form of continuity in the 3rd line
none of our d pairings look great together, I never see 2 d men out there and say we are good, always holding my breath for the next gaff
a goalie that can keep us in games



so a top 6 rw
a second line center
a third line center
a RD that can play with Dahlin
a LD that can elevate the other top 4 pair
a starting goalie



that's a lot of holes looking up and down the lineup



and I have not even addressed the 4th line issues if guys walk, the RW issue if they trade reinhart, the RD issues if they move 2 of 3 between risto, montour, and miller

we have 2 elite players in dahlin and eichel
3 really good top 6 pieces in reinhart, skinner and olofsson (assuming olofsson improves and shows he is a legit two way player instead of a 1 trick pony)



lots of holes for tanking since the 13-14 season and not a lot of draft picks or blue chip prospects to help up front
- homiedclown

Again, won't deny certain aspects however, the toughest piece to attain for right now is 2C and that should top the list.

build through draft and prospects


then fire all scouts and piss away picks for froliks, simmonds, vesey, millers, wilson etc


f@ck you teri and kym
- homiedclown

Compher, Armia, Zadarov, Byron, Lemeuix