Olloffson is someone I'm looking forward to watching for years. I'd say a core guy. Everyone was huffy over losing pilut and his 6 nhl points...

This is the guy I lock down long term - NOW.

The drysatlyl/ pasternak long deal, on the cheap. Before he explodes with eichel in his 2nd nhl season.

*good talking hockey, agreeing or disagreeing
- Boss34

2 takes on what could happen if you lock olofsson long term


he could regress big time if dropped a line or two, and or other teams keying on him for the pp


he has been dinged up both seasons here

So, let's settle it...
Olofsson
A) 2 year Bridge Deal; 2 x $3.65m
B) 8 year lock 'em up; 8 x $5.85m
C) 4 year Middle it; 4 x $4.65m

What say you?

Guess we will find out, but he has a shot, can pass the puck and is a decent skater, he has the tools.
- Buff36

I think he's very average at everything, with that one big exception.

So, let's settle it...
Olofsson
A) 2 year Bridge Deal; 2 x $3.65m
B) 8 year lock 'em up; 8 x $5.85m
C) 4 year Middle it; 4 x $4.65m

What say you?
- IonSabres

Those seem all high to me. He had a decent year and the hope is he gets better but no way you pay him almost 6 million dollars. He *could* end up sucking and now you are franked long term.

So, let's settle it...
Olofsson
A) 2 year Bridge Deal; 2 x $3.65m
B) 8 year lock 'em up; 8 x $5.85m
C) 4 year Middle it; 4 x $4.65m

What say you?
- IonSabres

He's UFA in 3 years, so A, but less $. That was Sam's bridge deal. He's in line for less.

I think he's very average at everything, with that one big exception.
- Lunaion

Would have easily been a 30/30 guy, think he’s better then just one big exception.

So, let's settle it...
Olofsson
A) 2 year Bridge Deal; 2 x $3.65m
B) 8 year lock 'em up; 8 x $5.85m
C) 4 year Middle it; 4 x $4.65m

What say you?
- IonSabres

Those $$$ seem high to me. Did they come from somewhere? EDIT: I've since seen your later post explaining your projections.

Also, I don't know that I'd want to go with 8 years (as either the Sabres or the player). While he was a rookie, he's also older than both Jack and Sam. Signing full term takes him into his age 32 or 33 seasons, and we still are not sure what he is as a player. 8 years might be scary for the Sabres because he could fail to develop into a core piece, which could set the team back. And it could be scary for VO who, barring a huge overpay on the dollar figure, would probably want to have a shot at a third contract before he's 32 or 33.

Would have easily been a 30/30 guy, think he’s better then just one big exception.
- Buff36

What is it then? Numbers show him being below average at everything else, so I think I'm being rather generous.

Someone mentioned Kotalik earlier. Lot of similarities.

Those seem all high to me. He had a decent year and the hope is he gets better but no way you pay him almost 6 million dollars. He *could* end up sucking and now you are franked long term.
- Fattony1187

Maybe.

Olofsson 42 pts in 54 games; a 64 pt pace over 82 games in year 1 in the NHL
Reinhart 50 pts in 82 games in year 2 in the NHL
Sam's 2 year Bridge Deal was $3.65m
Olo out- paced Sam by 28% in his Contract year, yet bridge deal is equal.

8 year contract for Olo buys-out 5 years of UFA status...I believe I have that right, correct me if I'm wrong. (He turns 27 in the '22 - '23 season). Those 5 years come at a premium.

That was my logic...or lack thereof, lol.

He's UFA in 3 years, so A, but less $. That was Sam's bridge deal. He's in line for less.
- Lunaion

Serious question, Why?

What is it then? Numbers show him being below average at everything else, so I think I'm being rather generous.

Someone mentioned Kotalik earlier. Lot of similarities.
- Lunaion

Yes he has things to work on, first full year in the NHL, you don't put up the numbers he would of ended up with without having some talent. It helped playing with Jack. I am not saying give him the moon, but the Sabres are better with him then without him.

Serious question, Why?
- IonSabres

250 games vs 50, roughly. #2 pick vs #181. There is a talent difference here.

Yes he has things to work on, first full year in the NHL, you don't put up the numbers he would of ended up with without having some talent. It helped playing with Jack. I am not saying give him the moon, but the Sabres are better with him then without him.
- Buff36

I like him, I'm just more conservative with my projection. I think 2 years @ 2.75-3m is very appropriate.

250 games vs 50, roughly. #2 pick vs #181. There is a talent difference here.
- Lunaion

Interesting.

I like him, I'm just more conservative with my projection. I think 2 years @ 2.75-3m is very appropriate.
- Lunaion

Could be in this environment.

250 games vs 50, roughly. #2 pick vs #181. There is a talent difference here.
- Lunaion

I actually think Ollie is a better skater then Rhino, and he has a better shot, don't matter where they were picked.

Could be in this environment.
- IonSabres

If you backload it a bit, I think it's fair to both sides. Knowing JB, it's the kind of move I'd expect.

He is arb eligible, so I guess that could be a wrinkle.

I actually think Ollie is a better skater then Rhino, and he has a better shot, don't matter where they were picked.
- Buff36

Sam is a well below average skater. VO is pretty average. Are you really suggesting there isn't a significant talent gap between those two?

If you backload it a bit, I think it's fair to both sides. Knowing JB, it's the kind of move I'd expect.
- Lunaion

I think you are low, but I certainly don't know.
Sam had serious questions of consistency which drove them to a prove it deal.
Olofsson has questions of a productivity over a longer period.
I'd say both of those are similar...what do we really have here

He has a history of adapting and performing very well, 60+ pts in AHL 1st year.

Should be interesting.

Sam is a well below average skater. VO is pretty average. Are you really suggesting there isn't a significant talent gap between those two?
- Lunaion

I would have liked to see Rhino away from Jack, how much has he benefited from him. I am not a talent evaluater, but with both playing with Jack, the eye test says not much. They all fed of each other.

I think you are low, but I certainly don't know.
Sam had serious questions of consistency which drove them to a prove it deal.
Olofsson has questions of a productivity over a longer period.
I'd say both of those are similar...what do we really have here

He has a history of adapting and performing very well, 60+ pts in AHL 1st year.

Should be interesting.
- IonSabres

I could be. I added later that he's arb eligible. Hard to say how that part plays out this year.

I would have liked to see Rhino away from Jack, how much has he benefited from him. I am not a talent evaluater, but with both playing with Jack, the eye test says not much. They all fed of each other.
- Buff36

I'm with you there. Sucks coming off a 2 year bridge and still not knowing that answer.

I think there's a big talent difference between Sam and VO. That's a big part of the bridge. Let's see some more of him, and hopefully in some different situations as well.

I'm with you there. Sucks coming off a 2 year bridge and still not knowing that answer.

I think there's a big talent difference between Sam and VO. That's a big part of the bridge. Let's see some more of him, and hopefully in some different situations as well.
- Lunaion

I would try for a 3 or 4 year deal, maybe a little more in the backend of it. With everything going on and the cap situation, I don't think these RFA are gonna get what they hope for. See what ollie is thinking.

So, let's settle it...
Olofsson
A) 2 year Bridge Deal; 2 x $3.65m
B) 8 year lock 'em up; 8 x $5.85m
C) 4 year Middle it; 4 x $4.65m

What say you?
- IonSabres

5 for 4.5

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