seems botts and kim did conference calls with a few player agents


2 year deal on table for larsson and girgs
3 year deal for vesey
1 year deal for simmonds


kim said money is tight


don't shoot the messenger
- homiedclown

3 for vesey, eh?....interesting

You didn't mention 5v5, but it's still way too low. Risto averaged 19:27 at even strength.
- Lunaion

Ah forgot my bad. They should be accurate 5v5 numbers but I'll double check.


Just checked, moneypucks line TOI adds up with Naturalstattricks total 5v5 TOI for Ristolainen that year, +/- a few mins because moneypuck only includes lines with at least 10 mins together.

So Pilut and Ristolainen spent an average of just over 9 mins at 5v5 together in those 24 games.

Ah forgot my bad. They should be accurate 5v5 numbers but I'll double check.


Just checked, moneypucks line TOI adds up with Naturalstattricks total 5v5 TOI for Ristolainen that year, +/- a few mins because moneypuck only includes lines with at least 10 mins together.

So Pilut and Ristolainen spent an average of just over 9 mins at 5v5 together in those 24 games.
- Michael Ghofrani

Not really worth dissecting any further, but that's saying Risto was playing with other guys over half the time during those 24 games.

Not really worth dissecting any further, but that's saying Risto was playing with other guys over half the time during those 24 games.
- Lunaion

I buy that, you don't?

I buy that, you don't?
- Michael Ghofrani

I do. My point at the start was that his good stretch with Risto is a little over-stated. I think those numbers show it.

I do. My point at the start was that his good stretch with Risto is a little over-stated. I think those numbers show it.
- Lunaion

I mean, it's better than anyone else splits with him from that year.

I wouldn't label him part of the core from that, but it was pretty clear he was an NHLer with more upside than he was given credit for.

"Slaughter" seems like a word meant to play on the emotions and fuel the Evil Trump narrative. This law sounds like it's meant to allow the state to decide the rules in their territory, allowing the indigenous peoples to survive off the land as their ancestors did. Indigenous people don't run around "slaughtering" any creatures (like how Buffalo Bill got his name). They respect their food sources and only take what they need for their survival, they are not the same as disgusting trophy hunters.

Ion was on to something.... "The previous rule was implemented without adequate tribal consultation, in disregard to rural Alaska's dependence on wild food resources," stated Victor Joseph, Chief and Chairman of the Tanana Chiefs Conference, which represents 42 tribes. "The previous limitations enacted in 2015 threatened our way of life and our centuries-long sustainable management practices."
- Ratsreign

Nice post, point taken and appreciated

I mean, it's better than anyone else splits with him from that year.

I wouldn't label him part of the core from that, but it was pretty clear he was an NHLer with more upside than he was given credit for.
- Michael Ghofrani

That's where we disagree. I think there's a faction giving him a ton of credit, some going so far as to call him our #3 defenseman last season.

That's where we disagree. I think there's a faction giving him a ton of credit, some going so far as to call him our #3 defenseman last season.
- Lunaion

He may have been the third best defensemen, if for no other reason than he had the gift of playing a role that was manageable for him, but I wouldn't make him my #3 d-man.

I would've liked to see him play that role full season this time around.

He was a mismanaged asset. We don't know what he could have turned into. I personally would have liked to see him used more. But he's gone, and one thing we do have is D prospects coming through the system.

Truth be told, I detest the left...farther to the left the worse they are.
I don't respect those who are inconsistent in their thoughts because of another's last name...it's fine not to like the person, but if someone else is doing the same relative thing, then don't respect them either. Pretty cut and dry.
I don't believe in imposing my will on others, but I do want the freedom to do my own thing unless it hurts someone else.
I believe alot of the issues we face today is the result of failed liberal policies, virtual social tests that outlived their usefulness.
I believe in doing yourself what you ask of others, rather than being hypocritical.

I like Trump's policies, especially fiscally and foreign.
I do not like him, and further wish he would shut up 99% of the time.
I like his combativness, especially with the 'media", who has an agenda...left, right whatever.
Neither party represents me, but the Demo's do drive me crazy with their hypocracy ... 15 years ago the same leadership was pleading for a wall and border control..now, you are a xenophobic racist asshat if you utter the words.

Personally, I like the Libertarian platform the most...not perfect but pretty good for me.
Too bad they have no one to take a lead position who has an once of credibility.

Clear?

Edit: I should add, most liberals start off a discussion ok, then when they feel they can't convince you on their positions they attack, call you names meant to get you emotionally charged, talk down to you, and disregard facts as inconveniences.
My experience.
- IonSabres

Almost a perfect summary

He may have been the third best defensemen, if for no other reason than he had the gift of playing a role that was manageable for him, but I wouldn't make him my #3 d-man.

I would've liked to see him play that role full season this time around.
- Michael Ghofrani

I would have liked to see him come to camp and win the battle for #3LD.

The idea that he performed like our #3 overall D last year is crazy to me. He didn't record a single point.

They are both fringe NHL's and #3 LD's pretty much grow on trees. If he doesn't want to stay and fight for an NHL job, no big deal.
- Lunaion

Funny thing is, he’s legit the only D to have good underlying numbers with Ristolainen.

My thought though, even if it’s true he wanted a “significant role” somewhere, he was never getting that here, at least not next year.

McCabe will always be favored by coaches due to his style, and Dahlin is the #1 LD.

Edit- I see I’m late on that point already

I would have liked to see him come to camp and win the battle for #3LD.

The idea that he performed like our #3 overall D last year is crazy to me. He didn't record a single point.
- Lunaion

I think the disconnect here is how much value people place on point totals, especially for d-men.

Truth be told, I detest the left...farther to the left the worse they are.
I don't respect those who are inconsistent in their thoughts because of another's last name...it's fine not to like the person, but if someone else is doing the same relative thing, then don't respect them either. Pretty cut and dry.
I don't believe in imposing my will on others, but I do want the freedom to do my own thing unless it hurts someone else.
I believe alot of the issues we face today is the result of failed liberal policies, virtual social tests that outlived their usefulness.
I believe in doing yourself what you ask of others, rather than being hypocritical.

I like Trump's policies, especially fiscally and foreign.
I do not like him, and further wish he would shut up 99% of the time.
I like his combativness, especially with the 'media", who has an agenda...left, right whatever.
Neither party represents me, but the Demo's do drive me crazy with their hypocracy ... 15 years ago the same leadership was pleading for a wall and border control..now, you are a xenophobic racist asshat if you utter the words.

Personally, I like the Libertarian platform the most...not perfect but pretty good for me.
Too bad they have no one to take a lead position who has an once of credibility.

Clear?

Edit: I should add, most liberals start off a discussion ok, then when they feel they can't convince you on their positions they attack, call you names meant to get you emotionally charged, talk down to you, and disregard facts as inconveniences.
My experience.
- IonSabres

Love it ion. Thanks for taking the time to explain it in depth. I respect your opinion.

Good stuff pal

👏

I think the disconnect here is how much value people place on point totals, especially for d-men.
- Michael Ghofrani

I heard an NHL player on one of the national ESPN shows this morning and he had a perfect quote:

"In so many ways, the NHL overall has a mentality that is stuck in the 60's and 70's."

It's incredibly accurate and on the nose in so many ways, including what types of players coaches like, the players coaches rely on, and player's skills that coaches and fans recognize as worthwhile.

He was a mismanaged asset. We don't know what he could have turned into. I personally would have liked to see him used more. But he's gone, and one thing we do have is D prospects coming through the system.
- Buff36

An undrafted free agent that never played on the smaller NA rinks and wanting to give him time to adjust. I guess they mismanaged Olofsson too, because he went through the same process.
I don't see how he was mismanaged in any way. If he didn't have to have shoulder surgery, then perhaps he's up a lot sooner and sticks around, but calling it a "mismanagement" is being a little critical for a guy who has 6 points in 46 NHL games and only played 67 AHL games.

3 for vesey, eh?....interesting
- Michael Pachla

If they bring back all 4 of Vesey, Larsson, Girgensons, and Simmonds, the collective yawn from the Sabres fan base will be massive, as will the total lack of interest overall in the team.

I think the disconnect here is how much value people place on point totals, especially for d-men.
- Michael Ghofrani

Honestly, many people have no idea what's valuable in a player.

I heard an NHL player on one of the national ESPN shows this morning and he had a perfect quote:

"In so many ways, the NHL overall has a mentality that is stuck in the 60's and 70's."

It's incredibly accurate and on the nose in so many ways, including what types of players coaches like, the players coaches rely on, and player's skills that coaches and fans recognize as worthwhile.
- kingcong39

Agreed, their 70s valuations still rule contract negotiators. Smart teams use this to their advantage to find good talent at a song

seems botts and kim did conference calls with a few player agents


2 year deal on table for larsson and girgs
3 year deal for vesey
1 year deal for simmonds


kim said money is tight


don't shoot the messenger
- homiedclown

I refuse to believe you this time. It's just such a horrible rumor, that I believe you're making this up. It just couldn't possibly be true.

Effing guy ...

Patrik Aronsson, the European agent who represents Pilut, informed the Sabres his client could sign a deal overseas, a source told the Times Herald.

The Sabres did not think Pilut, who has played 46 NHL games, would leave. Meanwhile, the sides kept negotiating.

Then Pilut's camp went silent for a couple of days, an ominous sign. When the agent was finally tracked down, he said Pilut had inked a contract in the KHL.

The Sabres were stunned, according to a source.

Cannot make it up 😂😂😂😅😅😅

I refuse to believe you this time. It's just such a horrible rumor, that I believe you're making this up. It just couldn't possibly be true.

Effing guy ...
- kritter65

literally crown and ginger flew out my nose when I heard Kim was in on the call

Patrik Aronsson, the European agent who represents Pilut, informed the Sabres his client could sign a deal overseas, a source told the Times Herald.

The Sabres did not think Pilut, who has played 46 NHL games, would leave. Meanwhile, the sides kept negotiating.

Then Pilut's camp went silent for a couple of days, an ominous sign. When the agent was finally tracked down, he said Pilut had inked a contract in the KHL.

The Sabres were stunned, according to a source.

Cannot make it up 😂😂😂😅😅😅
- kingcong39

I am amazed the sabres were stunned yet it was common knowledge he was going to leave in early March

An undrafted free agent that never played on the smaller NA rinks and wanting to give him time to adjust. I guess they mismanaged Olofsson too, because he went through the same process.
I don't see how he was mismanaged in any way. If he didn't have to have shoulder surgery, then perhaps he's up a lot sooner and sticks around, but calling it a "mismanagement" is being a little critical for a guy who has 6 points in 46 NHL games and only played 67 AHL games.
- adambuffalo

Everyone has there opinions, 2 players different positions. Like I said before they could also think more highly of Bryson.