Sure, sure...based on my personal and anecdotal experience, there is a lot of said attraction of "wrong people". And a lot of support for those said wrong people for the wrong reasons.

I will explain the last comment indirectly, with this NRA reference

https://www.theshovel.com...st-tyrannical-government/
- PT21

Haha, yes, police have been in this uncommon safe spot politically for a long time. It's a big reason why necessary change hasn't happened. Police unions are the only unions Republicans like and Democrats lean hard on all union support. Add to that a well oiled PR machine, that has police singing national anthems and dropping pucks in pre-game ceremonies at NHL games and this is where we are.

Ayn Rand made a lot of sense in the pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

Why isn't anyone addressing the native Indians, seems to me they the ones that got the raw deal... ?
- kaptaan

Ayn Rand was a victim of the Bolshevik revolution that took everything from their family, and hunted down Jews among intellectuals and others. It’s tough for any of us to put ourselves in her shoes. Fascist? Yeah. Not sure about that.

Of course she is going to react to what happened to her radically.

I don’t agree with all of her personal ethos, but what she wrote was ballsy as hell. In that situation it served her personally, as well as others put between a rock and a hard place.

I was at that exhibition game in London ON. I had no idea what went onto the ice or what it meant. When I learned the next day what happened and the underlying message, I was disgusted that I live in a city with someone who could do that. I was embarrassed/ashamed for our city. If that asshat had been near me in the stands, and I understood in real time what had happened, I’d have gotten 5 minutes for wiping the floor with that POS. Enough is enough, serious change needs to happen - NOW.
- Wingdings

Right on...i’m with you.

Minneapolis protesters just chased their mayor away when he wouldn’t commit to de-fund money for policing to fund actual social improvements for the city...

Freakin’ awesome.

Every city needs to budget less for the police and more for the social well-being of its people.

Let’s support people not jails, courts, and prisons!!!

Ayn Rand was a victim of the Bolshevik revolution that took everything from their family, and hunted down Jews among intellectuals and others. It’s tough for any of us to put ourselves in her shoes. Fascist? Yeah. Not sure about that.

Of course she is going to react to what happened to her radically.

I don’t agree with all of her personal ethos, but what she wrote was ballsy as hell. In that situation it served her personally, as well as others put between a rock and a hard place.
- Hesh_[/

Do not confuse fascism with anti-semitism...you are incorrectly conflating them.

Last time i checked...the current president of israel is a fanatical fascist...and yes...he is of jewish faith.

Like the horsesht economics of milt friedman...there is no legitimate empirical evidence to support rand’s laissez-faire economics.

Honestly...you’d probably get more “sound” life coaching from one of L Ron Hubbard’s sci-fi nut job specials.

No, I don’t believe I’m mixing the two. I could have explained that further, but I didn’t want to go down that path here necessarily. I’m well aware that fascism can be displayed by anybody of any background, and really of any political spectrum if employed in that manner. And I totally see why you’d want to label Netanyahu as such. The definition is rather basic. It just struck me as an interesting way to use it considering her history and zeitgeist of that era.

You mean the immigrants of colour that aren’t brutalized and terrorized by american military that bomb/kill syrians afghanistans libyans somalians pakistanis iraqis?

You mean those immigrants???
- bruceflyers

If America is so bad, they shouldn't be coming to America.

No more refugees for America, it's such a bad place. That's a good idea.

I agree with you, no more refugee for America.

Ayn Rand was a victim of the Bolshevik revolution that took everything from their family, and hunted down Jews among intellectuals and others. It’s tough for any of us to put ourselves in her shoes. Fascist? Yeah. Not sure about that.

Of course she is going to react to what happened to her radically.

I don’t agree with all of her personal ethos, but what she wrote was ballsy as hell. In that situation it served her personally, as well as others put between a rock and a hard place.
- Hesh_

The Bolshevik leaders were mainly jews themselves. Ruthless individuals...

https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html

Look up the holodomor...

If America is so bad, they shouldn't be coming to America.

No more refugees for America, it's such a bad place. That's a good idea.

I agree with you, no more refugee for America.
- kaptaan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qwif8PF1EI

2 cops had charges last year on killing"unarmed" black men
last year


more unarmed white men were killed by the cops


it's anything but the genocide the media is making it out to be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qwif8PF1EI

2 cops had charges last year on killing"unarmed" black men
last year


more unarmed white men were killed by the cops


it's anything but the genocide the media is making it out to be
- homiedclown

That is a selective statistic...and I'm not sure it's correct actually...but even allowing that it is for the sake of argument...it's way more than cops killing unarmed black men. It is cops' suspicion of them when they are simply going to a store. It is the way they are processed through the justice system -- how they are arrested, the force with which they are arrested, the way they are prosecuted, etc.

But more to the point, it is possible to simultaneously believe in good policing and police officers AND support the actions that root out actions like the ones perpetrated on George Floyd and Eric Garner. It is possible to simultaneously be appalled by looting and rioting, but support peaceful yet stringent protest to make positive change to TRULY make America live to the standards of its ideals.

Right on...i’m with you.

Minneapolis protesters just chased their mayor away when he wouldn’t commit to de-fund money for policing to fund actual social improvements for the city...

Freakin’ awesome.

Every city needs to budget less for the police and more for the social well-being of its people.

Let’s support people not jails, courts, and prisons!!!
- bruceflyers

Great idea, lets reduce the police force!! Crime in minority neighborhoods are quadruple to other neighborhoods with the police there. Taking the police out of these neighborhoods will most certainly reduce crime.

That is a selective statistic...and I'm not sure it's correct actually...but even allowing that it is for the sake of argument...it's way more than cops killing unarmed black men. It is cops' suspicion of them when they are simply going to a store. It is the way they are processed through the justice system -- how they are arrested, the force with which they are arrested, the way they are prosecuted, etc.

But more to the point, it is possible to simultaneously believe in good policing and police officers AND support the actions that root out actions like the ones perpetrated on George Floyd and Eric Garner. It is possible to simultaneously be appalled by looting and rioting, but support peaceful yet stringent protest to make positive change to TRULY make America live to the standards of its ideals.
- jam10sugar

Eric Garner and George Floyd are two separate incidents. George Floyd was in handcuffs and subdued and then the officer knelt on his neck and in just plain terms, killed him. Eric Garner resisted arrest and had multiple health issues which along with the amount of force used to subdue him contributed to him passing away.

Eskimos, Braves, Redskins, Blackhawks, more. It’s time for these organizations to step up and make a change.

Eric Garner and George Floyd are two separate incidents. George Floyd was in handcuffs and subdued and then the officer knelt on his neck and in just plain terms, killed him. Eric Garner resisted arrest and had multiple health issues which along with the amount of force used to subdue him contributed to him passing away.
- Brukie

floyd was also telling cops he had covid, was spitting on the cops and high on fentanyl at the time


not saying in any way what the cops did was right, what they did was wrong


but the media is acting like floyd was a saint when in reality he was a career criminal

George Floyd’s Criminal Past

George Floyd moved to Minneapolis in 2014 after being released from prison in Houston, Texas following an arrest for aggravated robbery
On May 25, 2020, Floyd was arrested for passing a counterfeit $20 bill at a grocery store in Minneapolis
He was under the influence of fentanyl and methamphetamine at the time of arrest
Floyd has more than a decade-old criminal history at the time of the arrest and went to jail for atleast 5 times
George Floyd was the ringleader of a violent home invasion
He plead guilty to entering a woman’s home, pointing a gun at her stomach and searching the home for drugs and money, according to court records
Floyd was sentenced to 10 months in state jail for possession of cocaine in a December 2005 arrest
He had previously been sentenced to eight months for the same offense, stemming from an October 2002 arrest
Floyd was arrested in 2002 for criminal trespassing and served 30 days in jail
He had another stint for a theft in August 1998

https://greatgameindia.com/george-floyd-criminal/



the result is our country had 2 weeks of rioting and looting after curfew hours and our elected officials are bending the knee

floyd was also telling cops he had covid, was spitting on the cops and high on fentanyl at the time
- homiedclown

Irrelevant.

not saying in any way what the cops did was right, what they did was wrong
- homiedclown

You are not saying the cops were right, but you are trying to dilute it by adding irrelevant outliers.

but the media is acting like floyd was a saint when in reality he was a career criminal
- homiedclown

No they are not.

George Floyd’s Criminal Past
- homiedclown

Irrelevant.

There are no qualifiers to murder. The punishment for murdering someone in cold blood slowly, brutally, and without any excuse of self-defense does not in any way depend on the character of the murdered.

https://greatgameindia.com/george-floyd-criminal
- homiedclown

the result is our country had 2 weeks of rioting and looting after curfew hours and our elected officials are bending the knee
- homiedclown

Long overdue, clownboy.

The anger and outrage now needs to be directed solidly towards police reform. We cannot have state sanctioned thuggery be justified to outlaw the threat of thuggery.

Great idea, lets reduce the police force!! Crime in minority neighborhoods are quadruple to other neighborhoods with the police there. Taking the police out of these neighborhoods will most certainly reduce crime.
- Brukie

Haha.

Talking to guys like you is like reading a formula. Variable inputs always produce the same clueless output.

Do you know anything about policing in "minority neighborhoods"? The police presence is negligible there. The callers have to wait a long time before 911 calls are answered. The ACLU filed a suit sometime back in Chicago. In Philly, everyone with any awareness of the city knows it. Its been there for decades. Trash collection is sporadic, water problems, electricity, in everything the response is far slower. You will rarely, rarely, see a police cruiser drive by.

Once they come they are the equivalent of the mafia. Everybody flees. So poor is the relationship between the police and such neighborhoods that people are scared to call them, are scared to talk to them and scared to report gangs because they do not feel the police will care. They feel that the Police will treat it as an irritant and do something, no matter right or wrong, to "solve" the problem and then they will drive away.

And beware if you dare question their methods. You will have had it. I mean, they will (frank) you up so bad that you will be finished.

Get out of your privileged cocoon, dude. You don't have to be woke. Just get in touch with reality.

EDIT: And no one has said anything about reducing the Police force, or even disrespecting them. The issue is this – they are a part of the apparatus of government,. They need to be held accountable for performance.

The Bolshevik leaders were mainly jews themselves. Ruthless individuals...

https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html

Look up the holodomor...
- kaptaan

If I changed Bolshevik to Leninism or Stalinism, would that satisfy the pedant in you, because you damn well know the slaughter occurred

Haha.

Talking to guys like you is like reading a formula. Variable inputs always produce the same clueless output.

Do you know anything about policing in "minority neighborhoods"? The police presence is negligible there. The callers have to wait a long time before 911 calls are answered. The ACLU filed a suit sometime back in Chicago. In Philly, everyone with any awareness of the city knows it. Its been there for decades. Trash collection is sporadic, water problems, electricity, in everything the response is far slower. You will rarely, rarely, see a police cruiser drive by.

Once they come they are the equivalent of the mafia. Everybody flees. So poor is the relationship between the police and such neighborhoods that people are scared to call them, are scared to talk to them and scared to report gangs because they do not feel the police will care. They feel that the Police will treat it as an irritant and do something, no matter right or wrong, to "solve" the problem and then they will drive away.

And beware if you dare question their methods. You will have had it. I mean, they will (frank) you up so bad that you will be finished.

Get out of your privileged cocoon, dude. You don't have to be woke. Just get in touch with reality.

EDIT: And no one has said anything about reducing the Police force, or even disrespecting them. The issue is this – they are a part of the apparatus of government,. They need to be held accountable for performance.
- PT21

Im far from privileged, I grew up and live in the Bronx and Oh yea I know a thing or 2 about policing in minority neighborhoods.

The VAST majority of you are total F***ING childish morons!