That's probably because you spend a lot of time listening to people who have indoctrinated you to interpret it that way.

There's an incredibly small number of people who truly believe racial equality is a bad idea.

And when we say equality, we should be meaning to say equal opportunities, not equal outcomes. A society based on equal outcomes is doomed from the start.

There is, however, a tremendous amount of people playing the "if you're not with us, you're against us" game though.

Like this guy...



So 17 dead (including at least two black cops so far) as collateral damage because of "peaceful protests" (but actually riots half the time) is cool?

If you cannot or will not acknowledge that, you're part of the problem.

It's easy to apply your own faulty logic against you.

Everybody is really quick to say "institutional racism" and "police brutality" but really low on specifics on what the problem is (outside of repeating buzz words) and how to fix it (outside of stupid ideas like disbanding the police).
- JohnFergusonJr

Nordic countries consistently rank tops in international rankings for quality of life indicators. They are arguably concerned with equality of outcome. 🧐

If you start with that axiom, and your axiom is flawed, then the rest of your argument is probably flawed.

I acknowledge they are problems. For example, the fact that more people of colour are brutalized and killed by police officers. And that people of colour face barriers to accessing things like health care and education, as well as barriers to opportunity in the workplace. Do you acknowledge these problems? Do you believe change is needed in these areas??
- fifty__missions

This is not a definition, an explanation or a solution.

A definition would be " institutional racism is ___" and "it happens because ___" and "we can fix it by ___".

Nordic countries consistently rank tops in international rankings for quality of life indicators. They are arguably concerned with equality of outcome. 🧐
- TheMussel

No, not really.

If you start with that axiom, and your axiom is flawed, then the rest of your argument is probably flawed.

Which is exactly why equality of outcome is flawed and never works.

If equality of outcome was the goal, we'd all get turns playing in the NHL. Every team would take turns winning the Cup.

Equality of outcome has failed enough times. Ask the USSR how it worked out. Or Maoist China.

Sorry bucko, doesn't work. Unfortunately, a lot of these leftist nutjobs are pulling their plays from a bad playbook and don't understand the history of why it doesn't work.

No, not really.



Which is exactly why equality of outcome is flawed and never works.

If equality of outcome was the goal, we'd all get turns playing in the NHL.

Equality of outcome has failed enough times. Ask the USSR how it worked out. Or Maoist China.

Sorry bucko, doesn't work. Unfortunately, a lot of these leftist nutjobs are pulling their plays from a bad playbook and don't understand the history of why it doesn't work.
- JohnFergusonJr

I'd argue that countries that have extremely low or no cost for education are concerned with equality of outcome. Education helps with equalizing incomes. Ergo nordic countries. The desire for equality of outcome can exist within a capitalist framework, and nordic countries are an example of it.

I'd argue that countries that have extremely low or no cost for education are concerned with equality of outcome. Education helps with equalizing incomes. Ergo nordic countries. The desire for equality of outcome can exist within a capitalist framework, and nordic countries are an example of it.
- TheMussel

They also have higher taxes, fewer freedoms and comparatively, lower ceilings. They also have significantly smaller populations. Having "free" education is also not always a great idea. It depends on what kind of "education" they're getting and at the end of the day, everybody pays with their taxes one way or another.

But what you described is not equality of outcomes. What you described is equal access to opportunity, doesn't mean they get the same grades or the same jobs or the same pay. People need incentives.

They also have higher taxes, fewer freedoms and comparatively, lower ceilings. They also have significantly smaller populations. But what you described is not equality of outcomes. What you described is equal access to opportunity, doesn't mean they get the same grades or the same jobs or the same pay. People need incentives.
- JohnFergusonJr

Fewer freedoms? I'm intrigued. Explain.

Btw, this fewer freedoms thing might be the actual dumbest thing you've said so far.

Outside of that, equal opportunities can be made to cause more equal outcomes.

Also the problem is that racist cops disproportionately target POC. Statistically.

- Steven_Seagull

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- Steven_Seagull

I wanna know how people in nordic countries have less freedoms. This is a very bold statement and I'm curious to see the evidence.

I wanna know how people in nordic countries have less freedoms. This is a very bold statement and I'm curious to see the evidence.
- TheMussel

Fair enough


*grabs popcorn*

Fewer freedoms? I'm intrigued. Explain.

Btw, this fewer freedoms thing might be the actual dumbest thing you've said so far.

Outside of that, equal opportunities can be made to cause more equal outcomes.

Also the problem is that racist cops disproportionately target POC. Statistically.
- TheMussel

1st and 2nd amendments are freedoms that they don't have. It's factual no matter how dumb you think it is.

Forcing equal outcomes doesn't work. Never has.

What makes them "racist" cops and not just bad cops? How can you define and prove that they killed those people because of racism? Do they exclusively kill black people? Are cops bad cops when they kill whites and racists when they kill blacks? If the roles were reversed and a black cop shoots a white person, is that a bad cop or a "racist" cop? Do you see the fault in this logic? Is it possible that the problem is deeper than "cop killed black man therefore racism"?

1st and 2nd amendments are freedoms that they don't have. It's factual no matter how dumb you think it is.

Forcing equal outcomes doesn't work. Never has.

What makes them "racist" cops and not just bad cops? How can you define and prove that they killed those people because of racism? Do they exclusively kill black people? Are cops bad cops when they kill whites and racists when they kill blacks? If the roles were reversed and a black person shoots a white person, is that a crime or is a racist crime? Do you see the fault in this logic? Is it possible that the problem is deeper than "cop killed black man therefore racism"?
- JohnFergusonJr

People in Finland have the right to free speech and the right to have arms. 🤔🤔🤔🤔

You can direct society to equal outcomes without forcing it. You're not a stats guy though I guess.

People in Finland have the right to free speech and the right to have arms. 🤔🤔🤔🤔
- TheMussel

But UG said they didn’t...?

People in Finland have the right to free speech and the right to have arms. 🤔🤔🤔🤔
- TheMussel

Not to the same degree as Americans do. One could also argue the taxes in those socialist countries are so high that lower American taxes is a form of economical freedom that an American person or company would have that in turn creates better products and services. Finland has Nokia, America has Apple. There's a significant difference in quality.

Not to the same degree as Americans do. One could also argue the taxes in those socialist countries are so high that lower American taxes is a form of economical freedom than an American person or company would have that in turn creates better products and services. Finland has Nokia, America has Apple. There's a significant difference in quality.
- JohnFergusonJr

And so Finland ranks higher in almost every indicator for a civilized society, but america is better because guns and no taxes. Like great that you have principles but you should maybe take a trip someday and see the world.

Also if Apple is your idea of freedom, lord help you.

And so Finland ranks higher in almost every indicator for a civilized society, but america is better because guns and no taxes. Like great that you have principles but you should maybe take a trip someday and see the world.
- TheMussel

Freedumb!

And so Finland ranks higher in almost every indicator for a civilized society, but america is better because guns and no taxes. Like great that you have principles but you should maybe take a trip someday and see the world.

Also if Apple is your idea of freedom, lord help you.
- TheMussel

Give Finland 330 million people, spread across 50 states and watch them fall apart.

For a company, yeah, it's freedom. They build their phones in China for pennies on the dollar, use conflict minerals from Africa, hide their money in Ireland and mark up their product exponentially across the globe. Never said they're an ethically great company. But in terms of a product, it's a superior product and as a company, they experience a significant amount of freedom. Same goes for Microsoft, Google, Amazon and the plethora of American companies that exist (and you probably use every single day) that Nordic countries would probably never be able to create.

Give Finland 330 million people, spread across 50 states and watch them fall apart.

For a company, yeah, it's freedom. They build their phones in China for pennies on the dollar, use conflict minerals from Africa, hide their money in Ireland and mark up their product exponentially across the globe. Never said they're an ethically great company. But in terms of a product, it's a superior product and as a company, they experience a significant amount of freedom. Same goes for Microsoft, Google, Amazon and the plethora of American companies that exist (and you probably use every single day) that Nordic countries would probably never be able to create.
- JohnFergusonJr

This is a very Black Mirror type explanation of freedom

Anywho take a trip, have a look, expand your horizons beyond your phone, I guarantee your life will be more fulfilling because of it.

This is a very Black Mirror type explanation of freedom

Anywho take a trip, have a look, expand your horizons beyond your phone, I guarantee your life will be more fulfilling because of it.
- TheMussel

Cute assumption.

Cute assumption.
- JohnFergusonJr

Pay attention to people next time instead of multinationals and you might learn something.

Pay attention to people next time instead of multinationals and you might learn something.
- TheMussel

Pay attention to people next time instead of multinationals and you might learn something.
- TheMussel

Pay attention to the discussion and try not attacking the person (as poorly done as it was) and you might learn something about yourself.

Pay attention to the discussion and try not attacking the person (as poorly done as it was) and you might learn something about yourself.
- JohnFergusonJr

Nobody likes you

You need a badly edited Youtube video bashing Justin Trudeau with information sourced from uneducated blowhards who greatly overestimate their own intelligence
- TheMussel

Did you catch the one at the Ottawa protest where people yelled at Trudeau to, "go home #blackface"

Pay attention to the discussion and try not attacking the person (as poorly done as it was) and you might learn something about yourself.
- JohnFergusonJr

Very true. Good advice.