Unfortunate backlash ... like saying all blacks are dangerous and criminals

How does it feel ? Not so much fun.
- Hawkster

Where did I or anyone here for that matter say that?

Tyler Cameron: Blackhawks back in the rink on June 8th
As of June 8th, Phase 2 will kick in and the Blackhawks – along with the rest of the NHL - will be allowed back into their training facilities to work out and skate together in small groups of 6.

The thought of seeing highlights or updates of Blackhawks skating is a welcomed one.
- Tyler Cameron

Pierre McGuire saying lot of players not happy about going back .I wonder if this farce of a late summer tournament will blow up in the leagues face when a full players vote says NO thanks ..

My response is honest, to me all lives matter, not trying to minimize one's hardship over another, or vice versa.

The fact of the matter is every single one of us has problems in our own lives. It's how i handle my problems which either allows me to grow or continue the same cycle in my life.
- BetweenTheDots

I sent you a pm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk_HwNv9MSw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLuJa9X21PE
- TorontoTG

Yes everyone has an opinion, mine is like the movie the shooter said,

There's no Democrats and Republicans. There's onlyHAVES and HAVE-NOTS.

Great point about the shortened season.

I will also have a blog coming up about Crawford as well. He already was one of their most important players if they Hawks are to have success, but think about his long layoffs from his concussion issues. He returned in top form and that could benefit the Hawks hugely if he draws from that experience.
- Tyler Cameron

TC, have you heard anything about why the Hawks aren't all that high on Subban? That first year in LV he was pretty good. I don't mind Delia (or even Lankinen) being the backup, but I keep wondering if some time with Waite could turn Subban around.

With goalies, there is almost always a longer timeline. Subban already has some minutes built up (66 total starts), and when he was playing regularly at the beginning of the year his numbers were better.

You want to know what actual institutional and systemic racism looks like today in the U.S.? It is the racism of low expectations. It is the (racist) assumption that black people need more help from the government to prosper than non-black people because of disproportionate privilege based on their race. It is a self-perpetuation prophecy that has resulted in generations of black people being stuffed into urban ghetto's with limited opportunities. Black people don't "Need" help from anyone to follow their dreams and make a life for themselves and their families anymore than people of other races do.

If institutional and systemic racism is ever to be completely eradicated it needs to start with the acknowledgement that government programs don't actually help the people they are supposed to help - they trap them into a life of dependence on the government. Black people, like people of all races, can thrive on their own without government "assistance" so long as the government does only what it is supposed to do - which is keep civil law and order and then get out of the way.
- EbonyRaptor

You're really angry about this

I raised my nieces and fortunately for them they got assistance from the government to go to college and be productive members in society so...

TC, have you heard anything about why the Hawks aren't all that high on Subban? That first year in LV he was pretty good. I don't mind Delia (or even Lankinen) being the backup, but I keep wondering if some time with Waite could turn Subban around.

With goalies, there is almost always a longer timeline. Subban already has some minutes built up (66 total starts), and when he was playing regularly at the beginning of the year his numbers were better.
- Chunk

Maybe that and more playing time? Idk that the Hawks are or aren't high on Subban but he kind of fits Stan's M.O. of getting a former first round pick and seeing if there's anything there.

Didn't really cost anything as they weren't likely resigning Lehner.

Was reading sometime back on the Second City site that had him putting up pretty decent numbers when he had more consistent playing time vs sitting for long stretches with sporadic play.

Why is that the go-to response? That's not what BLM means & that's not what BLM is for.
- I Am The Breadman

Maybe that and more playing time? Idk that the Hawks are or aren't high on Subban but he kind of fits Stan's M.O. of getting a former first round pick and seeing if there's anything there.

Didn't really cost anything as they weren't likely resigning Lehner.

Was reading sometime back on the Second City site that had him putting up pretty decent numbers when he had more consistent playing time vs sitting for long stretches with sporadic play.
- HawkintheD

I'm sure this is true with all goalies. Crow and Lehner both alluded to it a various points of the season. This is not to say that Subban doesn't need to find a way to perform as a backup with less playing time, but he has shown some talent in the past.

Tyler, I appreciate your adding a voice from the hockey blogger perspective as one of many forms of journalism. I know some will disagree -- and I respect their right to do so -- but what has been going on in society has had and will have a huge impact on sports.

I personally try not to mix the two (society and sports) whenever I'm posting on these message boards. However, I do respect and actually expect athletes, teams, leagues, and the journalists who cover them to at least talk about the impact because those impacts are on them as human beings as well as their teammates, colleagues, and families.

One example is just as duffman is referring to with some players potentially voting no on starting up again, i.e. they may be voting no because they don't want to put themselves and especially their families in harm's way.

Similarly, when players like Subban (PK), Kane (Evander), Toews, Couture, Wheeler, Bergeron, etc. speak out, it can help fans to understand what they are going through, what they expect of themselves, and what they care about. We don't have to agree with them but it's good to at least know where their heads and hearts are at.

By all means, I am not expecting anyone who reads these boards to adopt what I just said. I respect any differing perspectives and life experiences and hope I can learn from everyone.

And that's the operative term: respect. Let's please be respectful.

Will there be any of the AHL Rockford players joining the workouts?
- Tee56

From my understanding, team can expand rosters to 28 skaters and unlimited goalies. So yes, there will likely be anywhere from say 6-10 Rockford players permitted to join the workouts.

The exact number depends on what Tyler outlined in the blog as far as whether players who were injured before the league shut down are eligible to suit up again.

Maybe that and more playing time? Idk that the Hawks are or aren't high on Subban but he kind of fits Stan's M.O. of getting a former first round pick and seeing if there's anything there.

Didn't really cost anything as they weren't likely resigning Lehner.

Was reading sometime back on the Second City site that had him putting up pretty decent numbers when he had more consistent playing time vs sitting for long stretches with sporadic play.
- HawkintheD

I remember that article, too. They had some stats to back up that claim.

My guess is that the backup goalie will be Subban with Delia and Lankinen being Black Aces. Possibly even Tomkins since teams supposedly can have unlimited goalies on the expanded roster.

One thing to keep in mind is Lankinen had shoulder surgery in early March and his timetable to return was 3-5 months.

From my understanding, team can expand rosters to 28 skaters and unlimited goalies. So yes, there will likely be anywhere from say 6-10 Rockford players permitted to join the workouts.

The exact number depends on what Tyler outlined in the blog as far as whether players who were injured before the league shut down are eligible to suit up again.
- AEL_Fox

Any idea why they aren't allowing coaches?

Any idea why they aren't allowing coaches?
- tvetter

Good question. Not sure. Guessing there will be forthcoming articles about this.

EDIT: A few articles I've read stated that teams can have up to 6 players at a time and limited staff.

Good question. Not sure. Guessing there will be forthcoming articles about this.

EDIT: A few articles I've read stated that teams can have up to 6 players at a time and limited staff.
- AEL_Fox

This is probably just to get back on the ice skating with teammates. They are still at least a month away from being a true training camp.

Pierre McGuire saying lot of players not happy about going back .I wonder if this farce of a late summer tournament will blow up in the leagues face when a full players vote says NO thanks ..
- oldduffman

A lot of players may not be happy about going back. Most people I've talked to who work "office" jobs are leery about going back.

The potential growth is tough to ignore. If the players want a higher cap and more money to go around they are going to need TV revenue. With no other NA sports active, this is the perfect time to get playoff hockey in front of a group of potential fans that are desperate to consume anything sports.

Otherwise you have a flat cap through 21-22 and another lockout when owners are crying poor again because there is low attendance in the post virus world and less TV money because they didn't try to capture more fans when they had the chance.

A lot of players may not be happy about going back. Most people I've talked to who work "office" jobs are leery about going back.

The potential growth is tough to ignore. If the players want a higher cap and more money to go around they are going to need TV revenue. With no other NA sports active, this is the perfect time to get playoff hockey in front of a group of potential fans that are desperate to consume anything sports.

Otherwise you have a flat cap through 21-22 and another lockout when owners are crying poor again because there is low attendance in the post virus world and less TV money because they didn't try to capture more fans when they had the chance.
- fattybeef

It will be very interesting to see how everything shakes out. There are definitely strong arguments on both sides (health/safety vs. revenue - and ultimately the viability of the league). I'll be watching to see not only the outcomes in the short term, but how these decisions are used in negotiating the next deal.

Glad the Hawks will get a few guys back. This will be a strange season finish, but it's entertainment.

The NHL is making a smart move "if" they can run things safely and keep everyone Covid free. The NHL is HUGE in Canada, but it's not #1 in many other markets. If they can have a decent product on the ice when some other alternatives are shut down, it's more sports fans following the game. The economic impact of this virus is going to be massive, but the game of hockey can still grow.

Glad we are back to hockey and at this point in this thread- not at each other's throats.

As I told another member here in a PM, that's what I love about hockey. When I'm sitting up in the 300-level high-fiving the random guy/girl next to me (I buy Stubhub single tickets all time) while Chelsea Dagger is playing, I don't care if he or she is Red, Blue, white, black or a Star Wars hater. While it'll be awhile until we can be enjoying a cold one at the UC together, we still have the Hawks regardless of our differences. We need a lot more of that in our country now.

And back to the pandemic- what a crazy season this is for us to possibly make the playoffs by winning 3 of 5 against the Oil. And we still have a chance at a good pick in the draft.

Provided the players go back and we have a playoff starting at the end of August, I just can't see how we can have a full 20-21 season...

Glad we are back to hockey and at this point in this thread- not at each other's throats.

As I told another member here in a PM, that's what I love about hockey. When I'm sitting up in the 300-level high-fiving the random guy/girl next to me (I buy Stubhub single tickets all time) while Chelsea Dagger is playing, I don't care if he or she is Red, Blue, white, black or a Star Wars hater. While it'll be awhile until we can be enjoying a cold one at the UC together, we still have the Hawks regardless of our differences. We need a lot more of that in our country now.

And back to the pandemic- what a crazy season this is for us to possibly make the playoffs by winning 3 of 5 against the Oil. And we still have a chance at a good pick in the draft.

Provided the players go back and we have a playoff starting at the end of August, I just can't see how we can have a full 20-21 season...
- Popsghostly

That is something I cannot tolerate!

Glad the Hawks will get a few guys back. This will be a strange season finish, but it's entertainment.

The NHL is making a smart move "if" they can run things safely and keep everyone Covid free. The NHL is HUGE in Canada, but it's not #1 in many other markets. If they can have a decent product on the ice when some other alternatives are shut down, it's more sports fans following the game. The economic impact of this virus is going to be massive, but the game of hockey can still grow.
- breadbag

Does anyone know which factors more into the ice condition? Outside temp/humidity, or having a packed stadium? I'm sure both are factors, but I didn't know if the heat generated by 20K people screaming is higher than simply trying to fight the ambient outside temp.

You want to know what actual institutional and systemic racism looks like today in the U.S.? It is the racism of low expectations. It is the (racist) assumption that black people need more help from the government to prosper than non-black people because of disproportionate privilege based on their race. It is a self-perpetuation prophecy that has resulted in generations of black people being stuffed into urban ghetto's with limited opportunities. Black people don't "Need" help from anyone to follow their dreams and make a life for themselves and their families anymore than people of other races do.

If institutional and systemic racism is ever to be completely eradicated it needs to start with the acknowledgement that government programs don't actually help the people they are supposed to help - they trap them into a life of dependence on the government. Black people, like people of all races, can thrive on their own without government "assistance" so long as the government does only what it is supposed to do - which is keep civil law and order and then get out of the way.
- EbonyRaptor

Want to say to PopsGhost, the Asian dude on the last blog, I was horrified, but not surprised, what you went thru as a kid and to an extent always will in the USA. Any non-right wing/"good people on both sides" history book taught us what Asians/Chinese went thru building the railroads in the 1800's and the Japanese internment camps. So no surprise here.... God bless you man and I have zero doubt you acquired a wisdom only a minority can have from the abuse you took. Sucks to earn wisdom the way you did but now that you have your wisdom will no doubt be difference making.

Been so long since I read comments at HB, besides the last blog, I can't remember who is who but only jumped your post to highlight what I blackened. Gumment programs don't help minorities. Love this take..............

Off he top of my head laws/programs and or SCOTUS rulings that helped the black man/minority. Lets begin with a big one, the Civil War!! Pretty helpful "gumment program" for the black guy.

Redlining (housing discrimination), Voters Rights Act, equal opportunity laws for employment, equal opportunity laws for loans, desegregation, affirmative action, allowing homies to marry whitey in the FIFTIES. All basic things that were not afforded a black man without a law being passed or a court ruling!!........ I'd assume how schools are funded will come soon.

My definition of white privilege is when you don't know what gumment programs did/do for a minority cuz you were never discriminated against.

Watching the protests/riots I ask one simple question. If the looters or violent people in the streets had a job, or their parents did, making 50k a yr with a pension and health insurance would they be looting/rioting?? If they did they'd have skin in the game, they'd have hope. Doubt they'd be rioting.

This is for those who read the above and said well, go get that job. The average white man leaves an estate worth 80k, average black man leaves 5K! Coincidence or your God made a black man dumber or more lazy than white boy?

The #1 employer in the USA is WALMART!!! Walmart! When Regan took office the #1 employer was General Motors! 40 yrs of trickle down and Walmart is the nipple that feeds families ............. So yea black dude, or whitey for that matter, go get that 50k per yr gig with a pension and health insurance. Good luck.

Do not care what color you are you or what country you are in, you are not free unless you are economically free. Carrying an AK-47 over your shoulder into 7-11 does not mean you're free.

For all those "good people on both sides" people feel free to google anything I posted.

Yes everyone has an opinion, mine is like the movie the shooter said,

There's no Democrats and Republicans. There's onlyHAVES and HAVE-NOTS.
- BetweenTheDots

Not quite when it comes to picking SCOTUS judges, federal judges, supporting healthcare and SS Medicare.

A lot of players may not be happy about going back. Most people I've talked to who work "office" jobs are leery about going back.

The potential growth is tough to ignore. If the players want a higher cap and more money to go around they are going to need TV revenue. With no other NA sports active, this is the perfect time to get playoff hockey in front of a group of potential fans that are desperate to consume anything sports.

Otherwise you have a flat cap through 21-22 and another lockout when owners are crying poor again because there is low attendance in the post virus world and less TV money because they didn't try to capture more fans when they had the chance.
- fattybeef

I've always said the only thing salary caps do is protect owners from owners. I'm definitely not a union guy but players should never agree to them. You're worth what you can get supply and demand. I don't believe in minimum wage either.

Does anyone know which factors more into the ice condition? Outside temp/humidity, or having a packed stadium? I'm sure both are factors, but I didn't know if the heat generated by 20K people screaming is higher than simply trying to fight the ambient outside temp.
- Chunk

20,000 fans sounds right according to hockey guru Max Kellerman.