BS from businesses who condone destruction and looting? Yes, absolutely.
Protestors have to realize that their cause is being infiltrated and think of a better way to separate themselves from poopty people who are doing poopty things. All they are doing is making their cause look worse. - JohnFergusonJr
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Jun 2 @ 5:17 PM ET
Are those 10 people wearing police uniforms?
Asking for a friend in Minnesota. - Atomic Wedgie
I'm not going to defend unjustified police brutality just the same way I won't defend unjustified vigilantes. They're both wrong. The problem is there are people who want to pretend "their side" is justified when it isn't and the only way it's going to get better is if people work harder to find common ground rather than more reasons to get further apart.
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Jun 2 @ 5:28 PM ET
I'm not going to defend unjustified police brutality just the same way I won't defend unjustified vigilantes. They're both wrong. The problem is there are people who want to pretend "their side" is justified when it isn't and the only way it's going to get better is if people work harder to find common ground rather than more reasons to get further apart. - JohnFergusonJr
Oh ffs, nobody is justifying unjustified vigilantes. This is nonsense that you have created in your own mind.
Joe Biden:
"These last few days have laid bare that we are a nation furious at injustice. Every person of conscience can understand the rawness of the trauma people of color experience in this country, from the daily indignities to the extreme violence, like the horrific killing of George Floyd.
Protesting such brutality is right and necessary. It’s an utterly American response. But burning down communities and needless destruction is not. Violence that endangers lives is not. Violence that guts and shutters businesses that serve the community is not.
The act of protesting should never be allowed to overshadow the reason we protest. It should not drive people away from the just cause that protest is meant to advance."
Obama condemned it:
"Let's not excuse violence, or rationalize it, or participate in it. If we want our criminal justice system, and American society at large, to operate on a higher ethical code, then we have to model that code ourselves."
You're simply making poop up to make yourself sound virtuous.
Oh ffs, nobody is justifying unjustified vigilantes. This is nonsense that you have created in your own mind.
Joe Biden:
"These last few days have laid bare that we are a nation furious at injustice. Every person of conscience can understand the rawness of the trauma people of color experience in this country, from the daily indignities to the extreme violence, like the horrific killing of George Floyd.
Protesting such brutality is right and necessary. It’s an utterly American response. But burning down communities and needless destruction is not. Violence that endangers lives is not. Violence that guts and shutters businesses that serve the community is not.
The act of protesting should never be allowed to overshadow the reason we protest. It should not drive people away from the just cause that protest is meant to advance."
Obama condemned it:
"Let's not excuse violence, or rationalize it, or participate in it. If we want our criminal justice system, and American society at large, to operate on a higher ethical code, then we have to model that code ourselves."
You're simply making poop up to make yourself sound virtuous.
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Jun 2 @ 5:33 PM ET
Oh ffs, nobody is justifying unjustified vigilantes. This is nonsense that you have created in your own mind.
Joe Biden:
"These last few days have laid bare that we are a nation furious at injustice. Every person of conscience can understand the rawness of the trauma people of color experience in this country, from the daily indignities to the extreme violence, like the horrific killing of George Floyd.
Protesting such brutality is right and necessary. It’s an utterly American response. But burning down communities and needless destruction is not. Violence that endangers lives is not. Violence that guts and shutters businesses that serve the community is not.
The act of protesting should never be allowed to overshadow the reason we protest. It should not drive people away from the just cause that protest is meant to advance."
Obama condemned it:
"Let's not excuse violence, or rationalize it, or participate in it. If we want our criminal justice system, and American society at large, to operate on a higher ethical code, then we have to model that code ourselves."
You're simply making poop up to make yourself sound virtuous.
Hint: it isn't working. - Atomic Wedgie
Well said! Clearly outlined with facts.
However, my suggestions for responding to this assclown and his dipsh1t posse are clearly outlined on page 1.
Oh ffs, nobody is justifying unjustified vigilantes. This is nonsense that you have created in your own mind.
Joe Biden:
"These last few days have laid bare that we are a nation furious at injustice. Every person of conscience can understand the rawness of the trauma people of color experience in this country, from the daily indignities to the extreme violence, like the horrific killing of George Floyd.
Protesting such brutality is right and necessary. It’s an utterly American response. But burning down communities and needless destruction is not. Violence that endangers lives is not. Violence that guts and shutters businesses that serve the community is not.
The act of protesting should never be allowed to overshadow the reason we protest. It should not drive people away from the just cause that protest is meant to advance."
Obama condemned it:
"Let's not excuse violence, or rationalize it, or participate in it. If we want our criminal justice system, and American society at large, to operate on a higher ethical code, then we have to model that code ourselves."
You're simply making poop up to make yourself sound virtuous.
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Jun 2 @ 5:40 PM ET
Oh ffs, nobody is justifying unjustified vigilantes. This is nonsense that you have created in your own mind. - Atomic Wedgie
Yeah sure, liberal media like CNN calling rioters protestors, pretending everything is perfectly peaceful and fine while fires rage in the background. Sure thing buddy, creating bullpoop in your own mind just the same.
senstroll actually condoned an older guy get beat on by 10 people in previous threads and said he deserved it by the way.
Joe Biden:
"These last few days have laid bare that we are a nation furious at injustice. Every person of conscience can understand the rawness of the trauma people of color experience in this country, from the daily indignities to the extreme violence, like the horrific killing of George Floyd.
Protesting such brutality is right and necessary. It’s an utterly American response. But burning down communities and needless destruction is not. Violence that endangers lives is not. Violence that guts and shutters businesses that serve the community is not.
The act of protesting should never be allowed to overshadow the reason we protest. It should not drive people away from the just cause that protest is meant to advance."
Obama condemned it:
"Let's not excuse violence, or rationalize it, or participate in it. If we want our criminal justice system, and American society at large, to operate on a higher ethical code, then we have to model that code ourselves."
Yup, cool quotes. Here's another one.
Trump: We are outraged and sickened by this monstrous evil, the cruelty, the hatred, the malice, the bloodshed and the terror. In one voice, our nation must condemn racism, bigotry and white supremacy. These sinister ideologies must be defeated. Hate has no place in America.
You're simply making poop up to make yourself sound virtuous.
Hint: it isn't working.
Pot calling the kettle black. You're doing exactly what you accuse others of doing. You're doing exactly what I said is the problem in my previous post. You dig in to your side of partisanship and pretend to be objective. You aren't.
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Jun 2 @ 5:42 PM ET
I thought he looked pretty damn good his last couple days with the big club, which, I realize Sandin set the bar high... But that isn't exactly the norm for 20 year old defenseman.🤷♂️ - joel878
Agreed.
What I like about Liljegren is that he has steadily progressed each year he's been with the Marlies. This past season he's been playing top pairing minutes and hasn't wilted in the least.
He's a kid though so he's going to make the occasional gaffe. Sandin has made some questionable plays and been caught flatfooted a few times with the big club - it's simply part of the learning process.
I'm pretty stoked we've got both of these youngsters looking like they're going to be legit contributors. They both have a lot to prove but there's no indications that these kids have hit a wall - quite the contrary.
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Jun 2 @ 5:46 PM ET
Agreed.
What I like about Liljegren is that he has steadily progressed each year he's been with the Marlies. This past season he's been playing top pairing minutes and hasn't wilted in the least.
He's a kid though so he's going to make the occasional gaffe. Sandin has made some questionable plays and been caught flatfooted a few times with the big club - it's simply part of the learning process.
I'm pretty stoked we've got both of these youngsters looking like they're going to be legit contributors. They both have a lot to prove but there's no indications that these kids have hit a wall - quite the contrary. - mjones242
Liljegren deserves a chance to prove he can stick in the NHL. Sandin made a bundle of terrible defensive mistakes. The only reason he got as much leash as he did from fans is because he scored some points in the first 5-10 games he played. But his offense dried up and his defense is weak, as is his body.
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Jun 2 @ 5:49 PM ET
Yeah sure, liberal media like CNN calling rioters protestors, pretending everything is perfectly peaceful and fine while fires rage in the background. Sure thing buddy, creating bullpoop in your own mind just the same.
Yup, cool quotes. Here's another one.
Trump: We are outraged and sickened by this monstrous evil, the cruelty, the hatred, the malice, the bloodshed and the terror. In one voice, our nation must condemn racism, bigotry and white supremacy. These sinister ideologies must be defeated. Hate has no place in America.
Pot calling the kettle black. You're doing exactly what you accuse others of doing. You're doing exactly what I said is the problem in my previous post. You dig in to your side of partisanship and pretend to be objective. You aren't. - JohnFergusonJr
I legit had no idea Trump had even addressed the George Floyd situation until I read an article in The Guardian (shocking, I know) that made a reference to it.
I'm no defender of Trump, and I think he should be doing everything he can to get the message out, but it's kind of (franked) that the MSM has buried his speech.
The media - on both sides - are stoking the flames and it's (frank)ing disgusting. Every single, miniscule detail is being over-analysed and/or deliberately taken out of context to push an agenda. I'm done with the MSM. I'm done with the conspiracy theories, the 24/7 outrage cycle, and partisan rhetoric.
Here's hoping Elon Musk can get us off this planet sooner rather than later!
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Jun 2 @ 5:50 PM ET
Yeah sure, liberal media like CNN calling rioters protestors, pretending everything is perfectly peaceful and fine while fires rage in the background. Sure thing buddy, creating bullpoop in your own mind just the same.
senstroll actually condoned an older guy get beat on by 10 people in previous threads and said he deserved it by the way.
Yup, cool quotes. Here's another one.
Trump: We are outraged and sickened by this monstrous evil, the cruelty, the hatred, the malice, the bloodshed and the terror. In one voice, our nation must condemn racism, bigotry and white supremacy. These sinister ideologies must be defeated. Hate has no place in America.
Pot calling the kettle black. You're doing exactly what you accuse others of doing. You're doing exactly what I said is the problem in my previous post. You dig in to your side of partisanship and pretend to be objective. You aren't. - JohnFergusonJr
This is bullpoop. No one is pretending everything is fine. Things are certainly NOT fine.
Location: Pretentious Beer Snob, ON Joined: 06.22.2015
Jun 2 @ 5:56 PM ET
Liljegren deserves a chance to prove he can stick in the NHL. Sandin made a bundle of terrible defensive mistakes. The only reason he got as much leash as he did from fans is because he scored some points in the first 5-10 games he played. But his offense dried up and his defense is weak, as is his body. - JohnFergusonJr
It's interesting comparing the two.
Criticism of Sandin has been few and far between. It feels a bit of the olde shiny new toy syndrome with him. I think he's acquitted himself decently for a 19 year old kid but if the Leafs weren't so desperate for warm bodies on D this season, I expect they would have preferred he play the whole year with Lily on the Marlies first pair.
He definitely needs to bulk up.
Liljegren seems like a much more mature player who is a bit more cautious in his approach which is what the Leafs need from a 3rd pairing player. He has some wheels but seems a bit tentative to kick his game into another gear.
I'd like to see both of these kids play on the third pair next season and see how it goes.
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Jun 2 @ 5:58 PM ET
It's interesting comparing the two.
Criticism of Sandin has been few and far between. It feels a bit of the olde shiny new toy syndrome with him. I think he's acquitted himself decently for a 19 year old kid but if the Leafs weren't so desperate for warm bodies on D this season, I expect they would have preferred he play the whole year with Lily on the Marlies first pair.
He definitely needs to bulk up.
Liljegren seems like a much more mature player who is a bit more cautious in his approach which is what the Leafs need from a 3rd pairing player. He has some wheels but seems a bit tentative to kick his game into another gear.
I'd like to see both of these kids play on the third pair next season and see how it goes. - mjones242
With the cap being what it is, they're going to be forced to.
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Jun 2 @ 5:59 PM ET
I legit had no idea Trump had even addressed the George Floyd situation until I read an article in The Guardian (shocking, I know) that made a reference to it.
I'm no defender of Trump, and I think he should be doing everything he can to get the message out, but it's kind of (franked) that the MSM has buried his speech.
The media - on both sides - are stoking the flames and it's (frank)ing disgusting. Every single, miniscule detail is being over-analysed and/or deliberately taken out of context to push an agenda. I'm done with the MSM. I'm done with the conspiracy theories, the 24/7 outrage cycle, and partisan rhetoric.
Here's hoping Elon Musk can get us off this planet sooner rather than later! - mjones242
Those quotes are from August 5th, 2019, and are in reference to two mass shootings in two days, killing 29 and injuring 53.
Location: I'd be happy with Che Guevara; hero of the Cuban revolution. - Canada Cup aka AOCC Joined: 01.14.2011
Jun 2 @ 6:00 PM ET
This is bullpoop. No one is pretending everything is fine. Things are certainly NOT fine. - fifty__missions
No, it's not bullpoop. There's plenty of media outlets on both sides picking and choosing what they show, how they frame things and they all have a dog in the fight.
well not since March
Every single, miniscule detail is being over-analysed and/or deliberately taken out of context to push an agenda. I'm done with the MSM. I'm done with the conspiracy theories, the 24/7 outrage cycle, and partisan rhetoric.