Bobby Orr says hi, he wishes he had a #1 RHD on one of his teams, he could have done so much better.
- winsix

If the Leafs had Bobby Orr in his prime we would not need anyone else. Sadly, we don't have Bobby Orr..

People keep saying that about Columbus but at the end of the day the leafs HAVE to win this series. They’re the better team and have come up against Boston and Washington the last 3 years. I think they’ll take the next step this year.
- bryant

Beating CBJ would make them the better team now they gotta go out & do it.

Yes because Barrie sucks defensively. The Leafs have offensive D, they don't have guys who can play defense. And Barrie was a mess defensively. He's also a pending UFA which means he's a rental. The Leafs did not need a poopty RHD rental.

Kadri, on the other hand, is a heart and soul player who brings intensity with a good long term contract. Brings more physicality, passion and drive every game. I'd rather have the player who brings that element to the game that the Leafs don't have enough of.

Good contract, character player > poopty defensively rental.
- JohnFergusonJr

Twice playoff suspended "character player" who cost the team dearly.

A "heart and soul" player also has to have hockey smarts. Kadri has never shown, at any level, that he has that key brain component.

Torts has been there, done that.

If we don't go in and run them over with a freight train of goals, we will get outcoached and lose this series in my opinion.
- jimi james

Decent take agreed

Keefe seems more open to change his game plan compared to the previous head coach the Leafs had
- PatC80

No doubting that

Keefe seems more open to change his game plan compared to the previous head coach the Leafs had
- PatC80

whatever works to prevent these young stars' egos from getting the best of them and letting them take their foot off the gas and taking poop for granted.


That said, I will still hope for my original prediction of Leafs/Stars SCF

If the Leafs had Bobby Orr in his prime we would not need anyone else. Sadly, we don't have Bobby Orr..
- PatC80

Orr is a LHD. We need Eddie Shore!

Yes because Barrie sucks defensively. The Leafs have offensive D, they don't have guys who can play defense. And Barrie was a mess defensively. He's also a pending UFA which means he's a rental. The Leafs did not need a poopty RHD rental.

Kadri, on the other hand, is a heart and soul player who brings intensity with a good long term contract. Brings more physicality, passion and drive every game. I'd rather have the player who brings that element to the game that the Leafs don't have enough of.

Good contract, character player > poopty defensively rental.
- JohnFergusonJr

That wasn't my question though. It was did the Leafs need Kadri more than they needed a top 4 RHD at that time?

Orr is a LHD. We need Eddie Shore!
- mjones242

That was the point! Orr was a LHD and he played with mostly stiffs and it didn't matter.

Twice playoff suspended "character player" who cost the team dearly.

A "heart and soul" player also has to have hockey smarts. Kadri has never shown, at any level, that he has that key brain component.
- mjones242

Kadri had been suspended 3 times in 4 years, one a team suspension. I think it's possible he'd get another one.

Bobby Orr says hi, he wishes he had a #1 RHD on one of his teams, he could have done so much better.
- winsix

Orr carried his team like nobody else ever has. Only player that made everyone better playing his position. A true great of all time. A RHD could only wish to be his partner. Lol

Twice playoff suspended "character player" who cost the team dearly.

A "heart and soul" player also has to have hockey smarts. Kadri has never shown, at any level, that he has that key brain component.
- mjones242

Marchand got suspended plenty of times before he figured out to play within the rules more often and became a 100 point player and one of the best two-way players in the NHL.

Is Kadri that talented? No, but he could learn from his mistakes and not get suspended in the future.

He absolutely is a heart and soul player and a character player. He got suspended by being overzealous defending his teammates. Other players love those guys on their team.

That wasn't my question though. It was did the Leafs need Kadri more than they needed a top 4 RHD at that time?
- PatC80

Your question wasn't an accurate representation of the facts.

Orr is a LHD. We need Eddie Shore!
- mjones242

Wouldn't matter Orr could play the whole rink.

If the Leafs had Bobby Orr in his prime we would not need anyone else. Sadly, we don't have Bobby Orr..
- PatC80

The point was about the bullpoop perceived requirement for a #1 RHD. Its a made up requirement. Orr was a LHD and nobody on Boston gave a (frank).

That wasn't my question though. It was did the Leafs need Kadri more than they needed a top 4 RHD at that time?
- PatC80

Needed a top 4 D easily but Barrie isn’t well rounded enough imo.

Wouldn't matter Orr could play the whole rink.
- PatC80

Like nobody else ever has at that. To this day there are no comparisons like a Gretzky/Lemieux at C.

Was he out rioting or looting
- kaptaan

You really are a waste of skin

Your question wasn't an accurate representation of the facts.
- JohnFergusonJr

How was it not? It's a simple yes or no question..

Kadri had been suspended 3 times in 4 years, one a team suspension. I think it's possible he'd get another one.
- PatC80

He made mistakes but that doesn't mean he couldn't learn from them. If Marchand could learn from his mistakes, why couldn't Kadri? Kapanen got suspended for sleeping in too, shall we trade him for pennies on the dollar too?

Players make mistakes sometimes. It's matter of whether or not the positives outweigh the negatives and Kadri is clearly in the positive.

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- Canada Cup

I have no problem being in this list. Good list.

How was it not? It's a simple yes or no question..
- PatC80

Because Barrie is bad defensively and a rental. It's a simple slanted question that doesn't accurately show the whole picture.

Marchand got suspended plenty of times before he figured out to play within the rules more often and became a 100 point player and one of the best two-way players in the NHL.

Is Kadri that talented? No, but he could learn from his mistakes and not get suspended in the future.

He absolutely is a heart and soul player and a character player. He got suspended by being overzealous defending his teammates. Other players love those guys on their team.
- JohnFergusonJr

Marchand is orders of magnitude better than Kadri. Poor comparison.

You know what kind of players other players like? Guys who don't cost your team playoff series for being over-zealous.

Kadri had to go. We got a half-price Barrie that was miscast and misused under Inflexible Babs.

Barrie wasn't the "answer" but I doubt there were any other d-men of his pedigree that Kadri's value would have allowed for. The only other name we've heard was Brodie's... not exactly known as a stud on the right-side.

Still, I would prefer half-priced Barrie or Brodie over another year of Kadri's playoff antics.

He made mistakes but that doesn't mean he couldn't learn from them. If Marchand could learn from his mistakes, why couldn't Kadri? Kapanen got suspended for sleeping in too, shall we trade him for pennies on the dollar too?

Players make mistakes sometimes. It's matter of whether or not the positives outweigh the positives and Kadri is clearly in the positive.
- JohnFergusonJr

Kadri is in his late 20's, if he hasn't learned by now he may not ever. Also, Marchand trained and played with Crosby and Bergeron, who are always the hardest working player on the ice.

Arnie is knocking it out of the park all day long:

https://www.theatlantic.c...a-needs-do-better/612442/