Storming a state Capitol with automatic weapons isn’t peaceful, it’s a threat.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

1000% wrong again.

1st and 2nd amendment rights make that perfectly legal.

Funny how those people did far less (if any) damage unlike rioters across the country who have done nothing but incite violence and destroy property.

1000% wrong.
- JohnFergusonJr

(frank) off you stupid piece of poop. He is 1000% right.

1000% wrong again.

1st and 2nd amendment rights make that perfectly legal.

Funny how those people did far less (if any) damage unlike rioters across the country who have done nothing but incite violence and destroy property.
- JohnFergusonJr

I didn’t say it wasn’t legal, I said it was a threat.

Why bring the guns? What the purpose?

That’s your perspective.

Riots are the voice of the unheard. What’s changed since black people have been protesting against police brutality? Nothing.

This is how you raise the stakes, elevate the situation, and move the issue forward. Peaceful protests don’t work. The POTUS is a fascist, these aren’t normal times.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

“Not believing in force is the same as not believing in gravity.“

Leon Trotsky
Coach,
Red Army Team or some such thing.

Is this about getting a few cops charged with murder? Is it about police reform? Is it something much bigger? There are lots of different views within the black community about how to respond but there is no way in the world I’m going to sit up here and tell them to cool it and demonstrate nicely.

I didn’t say it wasn’t legal, I said it was a threat.

Why bring the guns? What the purpose?
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Self-defense. Black Panthers did it all the time. Peaceful armed protest is an American right.

(frank) off you stupid piece of poop. He is 1000% right.
- Aetherial

No, he's 1000% wrong and so are you. MLK was a peaceful protestor and got a lot of poop done with peaceful protests. As did Ghandi the guy he looked up to. Peaceful protests don't always work but they can and do work if done correctly with the right message and organization. Rioting doesn't work, just further opens the divide and creates more animosity.

Self-defense. Black Panthers did it all the time. Peaceful armed protest is an American right and an oxymoron.
- JohnFergusonJr

fixed

That’s your perspective.

Riots are the voice of the unheard. What’s changed since black people have been protesting against police brutality? Nothing.

This is how you raise the stakes, elevate the situation, and move the issue forward. Peaceful protests don’t work. The POTUS is a fascist, these aren’t normal times.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Looting is great for Trump's re-election.

It allows him to scare suburban white soccer moms into believing they need the protection of a law and order president.

These looters are not protesting. They are taking advantage of the chaos.

No, he's 1000% wrong and so are you. MLK was not a violent protestor and got a lot of poop done with peaceful protests. As did Ghandi the guy he looked up to. Peaceful protests don't always work but they can and do work if done correctly with the right message and organization. Rioting doesn't work, just further opens the divide and creates more animosity.
- JohnFergusonJr

Yet here we are 65 years later, black Americans being murdered far too often, and now there’s riots. Maybe MLK did “enough” to satisfy you, and he lost his life doing it. So it wasn’t non-violent, there was plenty of violence being inflicted on them.

Self-defense. Black Panthers did it all the time. Peaceful armed protest is an American right.
- JohnFergusonJr

I am constantly amazed that the conversations in here can actually get dumber but they somehow manage. Since when did tiny Richard syndrome become self defence?

https://twitter.com/commu...tatus/1267206334992261123

fck d plc

Finally someone making sense
- Canada Cup

This week's guitar solo

Storming a state Capitol with automatic weapons isn’t peaceful, it’s a threat.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Not illegal.

Yeah, I know.

But not illegal.

Looting is great for Trump's re-election.

It allows him to scare suburban white soccer moms into believing they need the protection of a law and order president.

These looters are not protesting. They are taking advantage of the chaos.
- Atomic Wedgie

I think some of the looting was started by undercover cops.

Anyhow, it’s getting attention.

Self-defense. Black Panthers did it all the time. Peaceful armed protest is an American right.
- JohnFergusonJr

Funny - the right wing AND the NRA tried to make that illegal.

True story!

This week's guitar solo


- winsix

awesome

Yet here we are 65 years later, black Americans being murdered far too often, and now there’s riots. Maybe MLK did “enough” to satisfy you, and he lost his life doing it. So it wasn’t non-violent, there was plenty of violence being inflicted on them.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Plus, MLK was reviled when he was alive. The FBI had an ongoing campaign to drive him to commit suicide.

And after he was assassinated, the riots in 1968 make what is happening now look like a picnic. So lets all play nice and hope for the best.

I think some of the looting was started by undercover cops.

Anyhow, it’s getting attention.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

I don't buy the cop theory, but I am very open to suggestions that both the far-left and far-right are pulling this poop.

The charge is currently 3rd degree murder and I would think based on the reaction it will be raised to 2nd degree murder before it gets to trial. Manslaughter will likely be the charges for the other three boneheads that were present.
- winsix

Not a good idea if they want him actually in jail for a long period of time.

Difference between 3rd and 2nd/1st is INTENT...proving intent is not easy, especially with a jury....and probably a mostly white jury in Minnesota.

Prove him guilty of 3rd and a few other charges, try to get max penalty for extenuating circumstances...he could get up to 25 years. And, the actually charge on his record will be MURDER, not manslaughter...which is more probable if he is tried for 2nd or 1st degree murder and the prosecution can't prove INTENT beyond a reasonable doubt.

Just my opinion.

Looting is great for Trump's re-election.

It allows him to scare suburban white soccer moms into believing they need the protection of a law and order president.

These looters are not protesting. They are taking advantage of the chaos.
- Atomic Wedgie[/quote]

Correct and an appropriate point. There is no easy fix for racism, people shouldn't sit and tolerate or look the other way - as was the case in world in the 1930's and 40's. Equal rights and equal treatment should be the objective of any reasonable society. There was a piece on CNN that showed looting is very organized at this point. A fire is started as a distraction, a giant u-haul truck arrives with dozens of crooks (not protesters) they ransack a store then burn it down and move on to the next. This hurts the cause IMO.

Not a good idea if they want him actually in jail for a long period of time.

Difference between 3rd and 2nd/1st is INTENT...proving intent is not easy, especially with a jury....and probably a mostly white jury in Minnesota.

Prove him guilty of 3rd and a few other charges, try to get max penalty for extenuating circumstances...he could get up to 25 years. And, the actually charge on his record will be MURDER, not manslaughter...which is more probable if he is tried for 2nd or 1st degree murder and the prosecution can't prove INTENT beyond a reasonable doubt.

Just my opinion.
- underhill14

Intent needs to be proved for 1st degree murder, 2nd involves a much lower threshold. It involves knowing that an action would cause harm, not neccesarily death. A Second degree murder charge could stick and at least making the charge might cool things down a little.

I am constantly amazed that the conversations in here can actually get dumber but they somehow manage. Since when did tiny Richard syndrome become self defence?
- Canada Cup

So what does that make these peaceful armed protesters?

Funny - the right wing AND the NRA tried to make that illegal.

True story!
- Atomic Wedgie

And they were wrong to do so. Which is why neither side is ever always right or always wrong.

I don't buy the cop theory, but I am very open to suggestions that both the far-left and far-right are pulling this poop.
- Atomic Wedgie

For anybody that has followed ANTIFA actions the past few years, this is much further up their alley. The piles of bricks, the vans that dump weapons, they've been pulling this poop for years in Oregon and Washington. It's their MO.

Looting is great for Trump's re-election.

It allows him to scare suburban white soccer moms into believing they need the protection of a law and order president.

These looters are not protesting. They are taking advantage of the chaos.
- Atomic Wedgie

Maybe but to pull it off I think you also need to show some degree of empathy for George and the causes that actual protesters are protesting for. Suburban moms are still moms.

Trump just can't pull the empathy thing off (not being human and all). His only mode is attack and that won't work on this issue. Once/if things cool down, expect to see Dem ads showing Trump as part of the problem. There's lots to chose from.

So far, Biden has actually shown a better touch. George's family said how much they appreciated this call (white and black moms will like that) while they complained that Trump never gave them a chance to say anything. His words have urged calm and said something about not letting the pain destroy us. They sound like the sort of thing a President might say.