Just going of what my Buddy said, people he talked to thought he regressed this year because they switched him back to wing
- Buff36

More like he was injured...

DeBrincat regressed and I would trade Sam for him

I never said anything about Girgensons, just Larsson.

We are stuck with Okposo whether we like it or not.
- Pegullaville

I don't like it, and I would retain half his salary and give him to the senators with a 5th round pick for Anisimov

So, great let's focus love on 94th best line in the league!
Wooooothoooy! Lol.
What is misguided is those that were willing to pay Girgs and Johan upwards of $3m for 3+ years, making that best 4th line a $12m line.

Bring him back at 1x$1.8 great.
Else, hello Mr Lazar, glad you are here.
- IonSabres

Who wants Girgensons or Larsson at $3M per?

I don't think anybody does.

I wouldn't even look to bring back Girgensons.

Now if the breaking point at bringing back Larsson is the difference between $2M and $2.5M per for say 2 years, I would probably pay him $2.5M per for the 2 years.

More like he was injured...

DeBrincat regressed and I would trade Sam for him
- gerbe75pts

Yes the ankle and concussion didn't help.

I don't like it, and I would retain half his salary and give him to the senators with a 5th round pick for Anisimov
- jcragcrumple

Ottawa would laugh as they hang up the phone on that offer as Anisimov's deal is up after this coming season.

It would take a lot more than a 5th to make that deal happen.

18-19 he played Center
19-20 he was playing Wing most of the year.
- Buff36

24.5% with Debrincat and Kane
13.7% with Nylander and Kane
A lot of other line combos, but besides about 20% of the time with Dach and 5% with Toews, he didn't really play with any other centers this year. Not sure how much less time he really spent at center.

Ottawa would laugh as they hang up the phone on that offer as Anisimov's deal is up after this coming season.

It would take a lot more than a 5th to make that deal happen.
- kingcong39

Specifics aside, accepting the status quo of the roster is not a good way to operate. There are always options. It's up to the team to find solutions, not just accept being in a poopty position

Specifics aside, accepting the status quo of the roster is not a good way to operate. There are always options. It's up to the team to find solutions, not just accept being in a poopty position
- jcragcrumple

Agreed, but I believe it would take either a decent prospect or a 1st or 2nd round pick, along with retaining salary to offload Okposo.

Are you willing to give up those assets in a trade and retain salary as well?

That's a lot to ask.

My approach would be to essentially work around his salary while trying to improve via every other option.

Agreed, but I believe it would take either a decent prospect or a 1st or 2nd round pick, along with retaining salary to offload Okposo.

Are you willing to give up those assets in a trade and retain salary as well?

That's a lot to ask.

My approach would be to essentially work around his salary while trying to improve via every other option.
- kingcong39

Depends if you're taking a bad contract in return

24.5% with Debrincat and Kane
13.7% with Nylander and Kane
A lot of other line combos, but besides about 20% of the time with Dach and 5% with Toews, he didn't really play with any other centers this year. Not sure how much less time he really spent at center.
- adambuffalo

he's a natural Centre so when he gets here he be on the 2nd line that day

Yes the ankle and concussion didn't help.
- Buff36

i wonder if the hawks would unload DeBrincat for sam

I never said anything about Girgensons, just Larsson.

We are stuck with Okposo whether we like it or not.
- Pegullaville

Exactly.
Exhibit 1 for reducing salaries where the team ca, and invest in critical areas.
The difference between Lazar and Larry is far, far less than say Strome/Trocheck/Monahan and Mojo at 2C.

You're in financial planning/investments, this should be a natural.

Exactly.
Exhibit 1 for reducing salaries where the team ca, and invest in critical areas.
The difference between Lazar and Larry is far, far less than say Strome/Trocheck/Monahan and Mojo at 2C.

You're in financial planning/investments, this should be a natural.
- IonSabres

I sure am, but a big part of it is also understanding the value of each investment item, and Larsson has a high defensive impact compared to Lazar who does not.

So while I agree in part, I would look to adjust in other areas, like the defensemen on the roster and the defense prospects.

Who wants Girgensons or Larsson at $3M per?

I don't think anybody does.

I wouldn't even look to bring back Girgensons.

Now if the breaking point at bringing back Larsson is the difference between $2M and $2.5M per for say 2 years, I would probably pay him $2.5M per for the 2 years.
- kingcong39

Oh, it WAS a long discussion led by Fitz several blogs ago, others joined in for sure.
I was very vocal and still am, especially now with a tighter cap

Exactly.
Exhibit 1 for reducing salaries where the team ca, and invest in critical areas.
The difference between Lazar and Larry is far, far less than say Strome/Trocheck/Monahan and Mojo at 2C.

You're in financial planning/investments, this should be a natural.
- IonSabres

No, they’re about the same.

Lazar is an AHL player plain and simple. To expect him to defend at a Selkie level against the teams best players like Larsson has done is basically the equivalent of expecting Mojo to be a high end 2C.

The Sabres need to score more as it is, we don’t need to give up any more goals then we already do.

Why can’t we retain Larsson on a short term deal, reduce that lines minutes, and also try to obtain the 2C by shaking up the roster to the tune of a Risto/Montour, Mitts/Thompson, 2021 first rounder ?

Depends if you're taking a bad contract in return
- jcragcrumple

Is it a bad contract that is the same length as Okposo's (3 more years)?

If so, then agreed, but why take back another bad contract that is the same length.

If the bad contract is only for one more year, or even two more years, it will cost more than a 5th round pick to get the other team to take back Okposo.

I sure am, but a big part of it is also understanding the value of each investment item, and Larsson has a high defensive impact compared to Lazar who does not.

So while I agree in part, I would look to adjust in other areas, like the defensemen on the roster and the defense prospects.
- kingcong39

Thank you.

i wonder if the hawks would unload DeBrincat for sam
- gerbe75pts

Yeah, makes sense. Trade a promising young winger who in 3 years will still be an RFA for a more expensive winger. Seems like a good move for a team who can't afford to resign their own future 80-90 point center for $6m.

24.5% with Debrincat and Kane
13.7% with Nylander and Kane
A lot of other line combos, but besides about 20% of the time with Dach and 5% with Toews, he didn't really play with any other centers this year. Not sure how much less time he really spent at center.
- adambuffalo

That's the point.
Unless one has watched alot of Blackhawk games, I'd suggest no one knows.
36's friend is probably more reliable than anyone here given the above.

I sure am, but a big part of it is also understanding the value of each investment item, and Larsson has a high defensive impact compared to Lazar who does not.

So while I agree in part, I would look to adjust in other areas, like the defensemen on the roster and the defense prospects.
- kingcong39

Agreed , that HAS to be a given this offseason else the rest is all window dressing

No, they’re about the same.

Lazar is an AHL player plain and simple. To expect him to defend at a Selkie level against the teams best players like Larsson has done is basically the equivalent of expecting Mojo to be a high end 2C.

The Sabres need to score more as it is, we don’t need to give up any more goals then we already do.

Why can’t we retain Larsson on a short term deal, reduce that lines minutes, and also try to obtain the 2C by shaking up the roster to the tune of a Risto/Montour, Mitts/Thompson, 2021 first rounder ?
- Pegullaville

I'm all for it, and have been very vocal about trading 1 of Risto/Montour this offseason, and trading the other next year to open a path for Joker. I have also advocated for creating 2 packages to secure viable 2C and 2RW players.
Preaching to the choir here.
I think Lazar can grow into that position for sure, just as Larsson did.

Yeah, makes sense. Trade a promising young winger who in 3 years will still be an RFA for a more expensive winger. Seems like a good move for a team who can't afford to resign their own future 80-90 point center for $6m.
- adambuffalo

Do you always wake up on the wrong side of the bed? Lol and cat will likely get 9-10 m so Sam would be cheaper ... But hey not everyone is good at math

Do you always wake up on the wrong side of the bed? Lol and cat will likely get 9-10 m so Sam would be cheaper ... But hey not everyone is good at math
- gerbe75pts

Let the Blackhawks scramble to sign DeB, Sabres can swoop in to take Strome.
Fvck, maybe they'll consider Larsson in the package, lol.

That's the point.
Unless one has watched alot of Blackhawk games, I'd suggest no one knows.
36's friend is probably more reliable than anyone here given the above.
- IonSabres

I watch a lot Kahun had some great chemistry with
Strome when they played together

Do you always wake up on the wrong side of the bed? Lol and cat will likely get 9-10 m so Sam would be cheaper ... But hey not everyone is good at math
- gerbe75pts

It's just aggravating listening to people who think they know more about hockey than they really do make dumb proclamations all the time. Thinking that 3-4 years ago "was in the stone Ages" and that someone who just turned 32 is "old as dirt now ..." is one thing, but then you want to sign a guy for 8yrs $6m (which we can't by the way) who doesn't play defense for 2C and then get a 33 y/o winger who's signed until he's 36 for $5.3m a year to cover his weaknesses. You're continuously trying to build a weak team with no physicality that wouldn't make it out of the first round.
As for Debrincat's next contract, you do realize it was constructed to be when Kane's, Toews' and Keith's all expire? $9-10m won't be an issue.