Be sure to tell the FDA then because none of the clinical reviews have shown that the benefits outweigh the risks. I know there are trial on it’s preventative use but without results. From what I’ve heard if his doctors are giving it to him it’s because they are worried about the extent of his exposure.
- Canada Cup

I think you're not thinking clearly. First of all, to my knowledge, the drug is not a drug that is used for preventing someone from contacting the virus. It's a treatment drug. Secondly, if there was "worry" about the extent if his exposure, he would be in quarantine.

We disagree. I'm a reasonable guy. Pick one issue and we can debate it. I posted a link to all the campaign promises he has kept. He's one of the best presidents in modern time. The best since Reagan. Come to the table with something or stop wasting everyone's time. You're better than this. I'm looking forward to his re-election.
- MJL

naw, no offense (honestly), but I just don't want to.

One thing I will say, if I had to vote last election I would have voted Trump (I believe the Clinton's are crooks). I believe now I would have been wrong. I despise the endless democrat whining. I believe they have gone way overboard since he took office. I would tell them to roll out a decent (frank)ing candidate for a change if they don't like it.

Those things are not mutually exclusive with my dislike for Trump.

No it's the number you threw out.

"95% of the world is wrong, trump is great!"

I have not denied a single thing in our conversation. You have no credibility. I love someone who is trying to yell louder, has no grasp of the facts and then tells other they're trying to yell louder. It's quite entertaining.
- MJL

You are obviously not understanding this.
The 95% was a number previously used by one of your buddy's earlier in this thread regarding how much of the media hates trump.
I was just using his made up number.

naw, no offense (honestly), but I just don't want to.

One thing I will say, if I had to vote last election I would have voted Trump (I believe the Clinton's are crooks). I believe now I would have been wrong. I despise the endless democrat whining. I believe they have gone way overboard since he took office. I would tell them to roll out a decent (frank)ing candidate for a change if they don't like it.

Those things are not mutually exclusive with my dislike for Trump.
- Aetherial

That's your choice. Respectively then, if you're not willing to discuss it then don't. That includes attacking those who support Trump. Don't step to the plate with just one foot. Trump being elected President saved our country.

You are obviously not understanding this.
The 95% was a number previously used by one of your buddy's earlier in this thread regarding how much of the media hates trump.
I was just using his made up number.
- abware

The media and the rest of the world are not the same thing. It is you who doesn't understand anything. You made the statement and I challenged you on it. Be a man and own it. Bring something to the table instead of childish rhetoric.

Be sure to tell the FDA then because none of the clinical reviews have shown that the benefits outweigh the risks. I know there are trial on it’s preventative use but without results. From what I’ve heard if his doctors are giving it to him it’s because they are worried about the extent of his exposure.
- Canada Cup

Ok. The FDA is not on the front lines it’s a governing agency that moves at a snails pace. Every patient was given hydroxychloroquin that came into the hospital that showed severe symptoms. If they weren’t on a vent they recovered. There’s a tipping point. Like I said in an earlier post every physician continues to treat with the drug when not getting their hand forced to enter a patient into a clinical trial. There are more physicians treating world wide successfully with this drug than any other.

A drug that hundreds of millions of patients take twice a day some of as long as for 40 years for multiple ailments. Let me ask you this. If the FDA found this drug so dangerous why didn’t they ban it 30 years ago from these horrible side effects? If it wasn’t effective why are doctors still using it to treat patients and seeing excellent results? My wife discharged three patients from her unit that were treated with hydroxychloroquin. I’ve witnessed the same countless times. Are you telling me I’m hallucinating?

I think you're not thinking clearly. First of all, to my knowledge, the drug is not a drug that is used for preventing someone from contacting the virus. It's a treatment drug. Secondly, if there was "worry" about the extent if his exposure, he would be in quarantine.
- MJL

It’s actually used as a prophylaxis as well. It was used in China, Italy, and now turkey effectively in the prevention for first line responders. A lot of nurses and doctors have been taking it in NY for the prevention aspect.

I think you're not thinking clearly. First of all, to my knowledge, the drug is not a drug that is used for preventing someone from contacting the virus. It's a treatment drug. Secondly, if there was "worry" about the extent if his exposure, he would be in quarantine.
- MJL

Yeah, wrong on both.

The study is just about finished but there are results yet. Clearly his doctors hope it might help but as I said, they must be worried.

Second, he would put himself in quarantine, he would wear a mask, he would refrain from shaking hands if he gave a poop about anybody else.

Here’s the study that doesn’t exist that was discussed on fake CNN that only lies. Don’t let that bubble burst.

https://www.healio.com/ca...on-in-health-care-workers

That's your choice. Respectively then, if you're not willing to discuss it then don't. That includes attacking those who support Trump. Don't step to the plate with just one foot. Trump being elected President saved our country.
- MJL

I am entitled to disagree, even with the same vehemence as the opposing view, without being willing to go down a rathole on Hockeybuzz.

Besides, I am quite confident that any fact I throw out will be dismissed out of hand. There are examples of exactly that in this thread.

No way I am changing your mind and you aren't changing mine

It’s actually used as a prophylaxis as well. It was used in China, Italy, and now turkey effectively in the prevention for first line responders. A lot of nurses and doctors have been taking it in NY for the prevention aspect.
- Cptmjl

I stand corrected on that part. I appreciate the expertise.

I am entitled to disagree, even with the same vehemence as the opposing view, without being willing to go down a rathole on Hockeybuzz.

Besides, I am quite confident that any fact I throw out will be dismissed out of hand. There are examples of exactly that in this thread.

No way I am changing your mind and you aren't changing mine
- Aetherial

Of course you are. But a disagreement without context behind it is worthless. I don't care to change your mind. There are plenty of legitimate criticisms that can be thrown out about Trump but there is also a lot of vitriol and political nonsense. Such as he's a racist and all that nonsense that is easily disproven. The liberal far left tends to invent their own facts.

Of course you are. But a disagreement without context behind it is worthless. I don't care to change your mind. There are plenty of legitimate criticisms that can be thrown out about Trump but there is also a lot of vitriol and political nonsense. Such as he's a racist and all that nonsense that is easily disproven. The liberal far left tends to invent their own facts.
- MJL

The bolded speaks to my opinions of most democrats since he was elected.

So you claim that the President of the United Stated is self administering drugs to himself and announcing it publicly?
- MJL

When asked if it was prescribed he said he requested it

Yeah, wrong on both.

The study is just about finished but there are results yet. Clearly his doctors hope it might help but as I said, they must be worried.

Second, he would put himself in quarantine, he would wear a mask, he would refrain from shaking hands if he gave a poop about anybody else.

Here’s the study that doesn’t exist that was discussed on fake CNN that only lies. Don’t let that bubble burst.

https://www.healio.com/ca...on-in-health-care-workers
- Canada Cup

As I posted later, I stand corrected on the drug being used for prevention. As for the quarantine, I'm not wrong about that. The fact is that you're pulling that part out of your ass. He's also tested on a regular basis. Has Dr Fauci been wearing a mask during all the coronavirus briefings?

Ok. The FDA is not on the front lines it’s a governing agency that moves at a snails pace. Every patient was given hydroxychloroquin that came into the hospital that showed severe symptoms. If they weren’t on a vent they recovered. There’s a tipping point. Like I said in an earlier post every physician continues to treat with the drug when not getting their hand forced to enter a patient into a clinical trial. There are more physicians treating world wide successfully with this drug than any other.

A drug that hundreds of millions of patients take twice a day some of as long as for 40 years for multiple ailments. Let me ask you this. If the FDA found this drug so dangerous why didn’t they ban it 30 years ago from these horrible side effects? If it wasn’t effective why are doctors still using it to treat patients and seeing excellent results? My wife discharged three patients from her unit that were treated with hydroxychloroquin. I’ve witnessed the same countless times. Are you telling me I’m hallucinating?
- Cptmjl

That’s great and I’m happy that they were discharged but there is no way that anecdotal evidence can tell if they would have been discharged without taking the drug. That’s why randomized tests are required and nine of those have shown that the risks outweigh the benefits.

A drug developed to treat malaria apparently works well against malaria and those benefits outweigh the same risks and side effects we see associated with covid. If there was any believe that it was effective it would be in widespread use unless you believe the entire scientific community is part of the deep state.

When asked if it was prescribed he said he requested it
- abware

An individual can request a treatment from a doctor. That doesn't mean it is not a prescribed medication.

As I posted later, I stand corrected on the drug being used for prevention. As for the quarantine, I'm not wrong about that. The fact is that you're pulling that part out of your ass. He's also tested on a regular basis. Has Dr Fauci been wearing a mask during all the coronavirus briefings?
- MJL

We know he’s been exposed to the virus by someone who had very close contact to him and that shortly after that his doctors prescribed a very risky medication for someone with a history of heart conditions. They would only do that if they were worried about the nature of that exposure. I don’t know what that means. Others voluntarily went into some form of quarantine after what was probably a less severe exposure. Trump decided not to. Draw your own conclusions. He’s obviously been tested and maybe there’s no worry at all. Maybe there’s more worry about the panic. Maybe he’s worried about the politics of it. Who knows.

That’s great and I’m happy that they were discharged but there is no way that anecdotal evidence can tell if they would have been discharged without taking the drug. That’s why randomized tests are required and nine of those have shown that the risks outweigh the benefits.

A drug developed to treat malaria apparently works well against malaria and those benefits outweigh the same risks and side effects we see associated with covid. If there was any believe that it was effective it would be in widespread use unless you believe the entire scientific community is part of the deep state.
- Canada Cup

Developed for malaria but I really liked how you left out that it’s a daily twice a day 500 mg dose for patients with both rheumatoid arthritis as well as lupus.

It’s amazing how those patients have survived taking the medication for decades! Wow it’s like those millions of patients won Lotto! They didn’t die from an FDA cleared drug for decades! Talk about luck...

There is more of a risk from cardiac side effects from get this. The Z pack which is taken with the hydroxychloroquin. You know those antibiotics you take when you go to the doc when you have a chest thing. Yes. That can potentially cause heart arrhythmia just like any other antibiotic. Also, guess what? When you get that drug prescribed to you it’s usually done so in an off label fashion. Another term the media has turned into a fear bomb. Off label.

Just about every time you go to the doctor they’re doing something that involves an off label usage or prescribing you an off label medication. FACT.

Guess what. Another fact you’ll be disappointed to hear. Trump will survive taking it as well. Sorry to disappoint.

Developed for malaria but I really liked how you left out that it’s a daily twice a day 500 mg dose for patients with both rheumatoid arthritis as well as lupus.

It’s amazing how those patients have survived taking the medication for decades! Wow it’s like those millions of patients won Lotto! They didn’t die from an FDA cleared drug for decades! Talk about luck...

There is more of a risk from cardiac side effects from get this. The Z pack which is taken with the hydroxychloroquin. You know those antibiotics you take when you go to the doc when you have a chest thing. Yes. That can potentially cause heart arrhythmia just like any other antibiotic. Also, guess what? When you get that drug prescribed to you it’s usually done so in an off label fashion. Another term the media has turned into a fear bomb. Off label.

Just about every time you go to the doctor they’re doing something that involves an off label usage or prescribing you an off label medication. FACT.

Guess what. Another fact you’ll be disappointed to hear. Trump will survive taking it as well. Sorry to disappoint.
- Cptmjl

It’s not the media that issued the warning against its use for covid, it’s the FDA. I guess it’s time to toss them into the deep state along with Fauci who was fine until he wasn’t.

I’m not saying Trump isn’t going to survive taking this drug. That’s not the point. The point is there must be some very real worry if they are giving a drug with known heart dangers to a patient with a history of a heart condition. That’s all. Back to the circle jerk boys.

Except according to him it wasn't actually prescribed to him.
- abware

Actually he said his physician didn't give it to him but White House Dr. Did. What's the issue?

We know he’s been exposed to the virus by someone who had very close contact to him and that shortly after that his doctors prescribed a very risky medication for someone with a history of heart conditions. They would only do that if they were worried about the nature of that exposure. I don’t know what that means. Others voluntarily went into some form of quarantine after what was probably a less severe exposure. Trump decided not to. Draw your own conclusions. He’s obviously been tested and maybe there’s no worry at all. Maybe there’s more worry about the panic. Maybe he’s worried about the politics of it. Who knows.
- Canada Cup

I think the key point is that he is under very close medical supervision with regular testing. If the drug was that dangerous for him, I don't think his doctors would've prescribed it for him.

It’s not the media that issued the warning against its use for covid, it’s the FDA. I guess it’s time to toss them into the deep state along with Fauci who was fine until he wasn’t.

I’m not saying Trump isn’t going to survive taking this drug. That’s not the point. The point is there must be some very real worry if they are giving a drug with known heart dangers to a patient with a history of a heart condition. That’s all. Back to the circle jerk boys.
- Canada Cup

First bold yeah the FDA sometimes takes years to approve anything for the treatment of anything whether it be a med device for surgical treatment or a pharmaceutical. That is completely, unequivocally, normal. In times of a pandemic it does not change that time frame. They didn’t approve it for treatment hence the “warning”. Doctors will still do what they do and use it off label which they are still doing EVERYWHERE no matter what any news outlet is telling you. Like any drug there will be some physicians that don’t but there are hundreds or thousands of docs worldwide using it as a treatment for covid 19 successfully.

Of course you don’t give it to patients with a known heart condition more specifically anyone with mitral prolapse, valve disease, A fib, or any existing arrhythmia. You actually could still give it to them as long as they’re monitored in all reality and especially if they have severe covid 19 symptoms. Believe me you take it no matter what before going on a vent (because that’s a death sentence in most circumstances) and that’s EXACTLY what every physician will do unless they have a serious morality issue and don’t believe a (frank)ing thing of what they said when they raised their hand and took the oath.

As far as Fauci goes I couldn’t have been more pissed when Trump had him up there from the beginning of this. He is Mr. Doomsday. He has been for every, single, virus that has infiltrated this nation. He loves the camera and always has and he wants to stay in front of it as long as he can. Everyone forgets the scandals associated with this guy during the AIDS epidemic. I didn’t. With that said he’s never going to give a rosy colored view of anything. That’s not his job but he has always had outside motivations like most of the world. Anyone who has been alive long enough knows that. My feelings never changed since the beginning of this and I don’t feel there’s any reason to dislike him more than I already did. Certainly not for any political opinion i may have.

Ok, nice talking to you. Go back over to the Leafs thread with all the other geniuses that think they have a clue of what the (frank) they’re talking about.

I think the key point is that he is under very close medical supervision with regular testing. If the drug was that dangerous for him, I don't think his doctors would've prescribed it for him.
- MJL

Bingo, thank you. He needs a little prodding.

I think the key point is that he is under very close medical supervision with regular testing. If the drug was that dangerous for him, I don't think his doctors would've prescribed it for him.
- MJL

Or, now stay with me because this requires balancing more than one concept at a time, they may have decided that the dangers associated with the drug were less significant than those from the exposure to the virus.

An older obese man would be is real trouble if infected.

Or, now stay with me because this requires balancing more than one concept at a time, they may have decided that the dangers associated with the drug were less significant than those from the exposure to the virus.

An older obese man would be is real trouble if infected.
- Canada Cup

Would the same old, obese, man be more susceptible to these horrible side effects? Bigger man, bigger heart, more problems. That’s how it works no?

Ok now you keep up with me. Maybe, just maybe, they gave the president of the United States of all people, the most powerful man in the world, the drug because it’s a safe, effective, prophylaxis as well as treatment for covid 19. That ever cross your mind?