That's irrelevant, this is a fun fact.
.
- GilPerreault11

this is why I ignore most of your posts

Why do you get so upset when we discuss sam?


- Boss34

you spelled bash wrong

Sabres and Devils each have two games in hand over 24th place Montreal.

In some ways, that's bs that they won't make it.
- Powerslave

Terrible season or not, sabres deserve a fair shake.

Imagine buffalo vs. Toronto in july
Best of 3

Wonder if teams some how make up a couple games?
Maybe teams play up to 3 more games to make it even?

imagine the nhl wants as few teams and players show up, if not really needed?

you spelled bash wrong


- navinrjohnson

I seriously consider your feelings before discussing sam with other posters. #respect

Kinda sad actually though.

Sam is good, if he can be used to acquire a great player I do it. If not, I’m perfectly happy with him being a long term Sabre as long as his contract demands aren’t out of whack.

However, once Jacks production fell off at the end of the year, Sam was nowhere to be found so you can’t ignore that either.

Jack did benefit from Sam though just like any elite player would benefit from playing with a playmaker with talent.
- Pegullaville

I'd move reinhart plus to get a better player


we need better players across the board


better second liners
better third liners
better d men
better starting goalie



and a better coach, gm and owner, but that is for another day

I seriously consider your feelings before discussing sam with other posters. #respect

Kinda sad actually though.
- Boss34

why, you consider other people before going on drunken rants on how much the kid sucks, because he was picked 2nd overall?

today, he is probably the 3rd best player on this team

perfect world, he would be the 5th to 6th best player. but that is on the gm

Terrible season or not, sabres deserve a fair shake.


- Boss34

if they played hard from start to finish every night, they would be ahead of the habs


team took too many nights off


part players, part coaching, part gm
they all get blame

this is why I ignore most of your posts
- navinrjohnson

That is irrelevant, but you can't see that. Sad!!

I'd move reinhart plus to get a better player


we need better players across the board


better second liners
better third liners
better d men
better starting goalie



and a better coach, gm and owner, but that is for another day
- navinrjohnson

Au contraire, mon ami. The day is young and my disdain for Botterill runs deep.

I'm thinking they give him the Whaley treatment: let him run the mid-june draft and then sack him harder than a Bruce Smith highlight reel. At least I can dream

Name a 30 goal season Samster, Sammy Baby, has had? Pominville, I will not discredit that name with a cutsey, has had 3 and if we are going to rise Skinner up to greatness he is bordering on it, no? He is somethin', he should take your breaths away. That is all from the wise man.
- GilPerreault11

Well he's only 24 so I think he has time to do it.

I agree 36,

I just want the Sabres to pay and judge players accordingly. Playing guys with a top 3 nhl player, on a contract year makes zero sense.

Skinner is a perfect example.
- Boss34

I agree, I have said many times I didn't understand why Sam wasn't tried with Skinner to see if he could get him going. Still think Jack has a say in who he plays with.

I agree, I have said many times I didn't understand why Sam wasn't tried with Skinner to see if he could get him going. Still think Jack has a say in who he plays with.
- Buff36

olofsson-eichel-johansson
skinner-reinhart-sheary

at some point these lines should have been tried, in another failed sabres season

Terrible season or not, sabres deserve a fair shake.

Imagine buffalo vs. Toronto in july
Best of 3

Wonder if teams some how make up a couple games?
Maybe teams play up to 3 more games to make it even?

imagine the nhl wants as few teams and players show up, if not really needed?
- Boss34

Yes, a Toronto/Buffalo best of three would have the highest TV ratings anywhere in the league. It would be absolutely bonkers.

But Homi...er, uh, Navin is right. Had they played hard all year...

olofsson-eichel-johansson
skinner-reinhart-sheary

at some point these lines should have been tried, in another failed sabres season
- navinrjohnson

Agree again, that's why I think Jack has a say

Yes, a Toronto/Buffalo best of three would have the highest TV ratings anywhere in the league. It would be absolutely bonkers.

But Homi...er, uh, Navin is right. Had they played hard all year...
- Powerslave

One of the 90+% irrelevant posts. The post that stated that message boards are irrelevant has some relevance. Time management, prioritization for those who are unable to grasp the concepts. Those and other concepts make a difference in reality.

I knew it was going to rattle a few regulars on here, Kaiser, being one not just because I irrelevantly spanked his fan lover Sammy but the irrelevant issue had to be said by a wise poster to the ones who strive to be. That is all for now from your wise poster.
- GilPerreault11

90% of percentages posted online are made up.

Agree again, that's why I think Jack has a say
- Buff36

If Reinhart could play center, and produce, his agent would demand that he had played center a few years ago because centers make more money especially 2nd overall centers. I think the dream of Reinhart being adept at center has sailed.

Now I wonder if someone will come up with BS rumors that I don't buy that says the Sabres didn't want him at center and neither did his agent just because. Some people come up with rumors to feel relevant. I don't buy them from Florida.

90% of percentages posted online are made up.
- dadeadhead

So how relevant do you feel? Does it depend on the number of shots?

Your points are interesting to ponder, however I don't believe them to be necessarily true.

Sam, according to Evolving Hockey is projected to get between $7m and $8.5m depending on term.

I happen to be in the camp that believes his value at that price range just isn't there. By that, I mean the Sabres should be able to replace alot of his production for less. I would rather take that savings, include additional pieces to use for a player that could drive line 2, rather than have a top heavy line 1 and zippo for line 2.
- IonSabres

Agree to disagree on 8.5. I think that would be for max term, something we shouldn't think to offer Sam at this point.

But I get you about balancing the lines. If you have 3 players making 26M for your top line, you will quickly find yourself looking like the Leafs with no depth scoring or ability to defend.

So I think you could get me to go along for spreading that money out between multiple players if the right trade presented itself. Would have to be decent return though as we'd be losing our best RWer by a mile for two lesser parts.

That being said, I think I was more talking about a swap. There just aren't many players you're going to get for 7M or less that will score 60+ points AND (the most important part) be on the trading block. Forsberg at 6M sounds great, but we don't have any way of acquiring that player is all I mean.

If Reinhart could play center, and produce, his agent would demand that he had played center a few years ago because centers make more money especially 2nd overall centers. I think the dream of Reinhart being adept at center has sailed.

Now I wonder if someone will come up with BS rumors that I don't buy that says the Sabres didn't want him at center and neither did his agent just because. Some people come up with rumors to feel relevant. I don't buy them from Florida.
- GilPerreault11

Not saying you're wrong, I think Sam lacks the strength and/or speed to play down the middle, but a counterpoint. What gets Samson paid more?

Playing Center?
Playing with Eichel?

Can't play with Eichel if he's a center. I'd argue the latter has gotten him a lot more points and therefore value.

- navinrjohnson

Oh my

Not saying you're wrong, I think Sam lacks the strength and/or speed to play down the middle, but a counterpoint. What gets Samson paid more?

Playing Center?
Playing with Eichel?

Can't play with Eichel if he's a center. I'd argue the latter has gotten him a lot more points and therefore value.
- RhinoFan

He won't be attached to Jack forever and if he could play center he may not have got that lame bridge deal but a solid deal. You have a point that Jack has made him cash but we'll have to see what the deal is that he gets this year.

If Reinhart could play center, and produce, his agent would demand that he had played center a few years ago because centers make more money especially 2nd overall centers. I think the dream of Reinhart being adept at center has sailed.

Now I wonder if someone will come up with BS rumors that I don't buy that says the Sabres didn't want him at center and neither did his agent just because. Some people come up with rumors to feel relevant. I don't buy them from Florida.
- GilPerreault11

I agree about the Center part and getting paid, but he didn't have to play Center to help Skinner, he could have stayed at RW. He is gonna get paid because of who he played with, take him away from Jack and he probably is a 45 to 50pt player in my opinion. If he can be used in a package to make us better I am all for it, but if his contract demands aren't ridiculous I am alright with keeping him to, him and Jack are good together.

why, you consider other people before going on drunken rants on how much the kid sucks, because he was picked 2nd overall?

today, he is probably the 3rd best player on this team

perfect world, he would be the 5th to 6th best player. but that is on the gm
- navinrjohnson

I'm not really a drinker, probably haven't made 1 drunken post - ever.

My "rant" was a response to gerbes question.

I'd say jack, dahlin, skinner and olloffson.
So it's kinda a perfect world , for you anyways

Its seriously crazy how upset you get about a guy that you are willing to trade.

We have different opinions on sam, that's ok

if they played hard from start to finish every night, they would be ahead of the habs


team took too many nights off


part players, part coaching, part gm
they all get blame
- navinrjohnson

If we played the habs in a 7 game series, I'd say the Sabres win 4 games to 2.

Especially with jack getting 2 months plus off.

Seemed like he was fighting a injury