AV: Getting Back Where We Were

https://www.nhl.com/flyer...where-we-were/c-316771388

Awesome news on Oskar!!! Let's hope that he recovers to have a great life. Hockey will be just a bonus.

I watched the broadcast last night. I saw it live - I was 9 years old. I have the DVD and have watched it many times. Still, I actually got chills when the audio of the final 10 or so seconds of the game switches to Gene Hart's call. The absolute thrill and joy in his voice combined with the chaos on the ice is simply amazing.
- Scoob

I'm a little bit younger than you but that chaos is what really stands out in my memory.

The other big standout in my memories is the parade. My father's office was along the route, so we watched some of it from his window and also along the street. We also tried to make are way down to Independence Mall where the parade ended and the crowds amassed to celebrate, but it was so jam-packed we returned back to his office. I might be wrong but I don't remember it being televised, so we were out of luck in viewing that celebration at the Mall. But I do have some prints of the slides my dad photographed* from the parade that day, as well as an original copy of this:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/...RNIE-PARENT-/371678555115

*: Those slides were his thing back then, and since there's no negatives, it wasn't cheap to get them transferred to print. One of these days I want to get his entire collection of slides—a big chunk of the memorabilia of my family's life during my childhood—digitally scanned. But right now I don't have the time, nor a proper slide scanner. Not to mention digging all the slides out of my parents storage at their house, which is many hours away from where I live. (And I contemplate on the distance of it all even more because of the pandemic.) I'd scan and upload those prints, but now all of that is buried somewhere in my storage from my last move some years ago, and it's another thing I don't have the time right now to go and find.

Why did all the Flyers have long hair back then?
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Because there was only one barber!

Thank you very much, I'll be here for the foreseeable future. Please give the delivery person a generous tip.
- Scoob

You know, I really REALLY thought Richards would get us one. I could even visualize it in my mind. I just want 1 before I die and the bucket list is complete.

Missed the Phils parade because it was my best friend's dad's funeral. Missed the Eagles one because my wife was overdue with our son. It would take an act of God to make me miss a Flyers Cup parade.
- jmatchett383

I knew Richards and Carter wouldn't. Too many expectations were placed on them, far above their abilities and maturity levels at that age. They were complementary pieces on a contending team, not the guys who would lead the charge. Indeed when we went to the finals 2010, the effective first line was the HBL one. They were useful playing on LA 2nd/3rd lines.

AV: Getting Back Where We Were

https://www.nhl.com/flyer...where-we-were/c-316771388
- bmeltzer

I hope one of the thing the coaches are advising the the players to do while they wait, beside trying to stay in shape, is to keep studying video of their play during their win streak before the suspension of the season.

AV: Getting Back Where We Were

https://www.nhl.com/flyer...where-we-were/c-316771388
- bmeltzer

Good interview with AV. He certainly doesn't seem to have lost his edge in this shutdown.

I knew Richards and Carter wouldn't. Too many expectations were placed on them, far above their abilities and maturity levels at that age. They were complementary pieces on a contending team, not the guys who would lead the charge. Indeed when we went to the finals 2010, the effective first line was the HBL one. They were useful playing on LA 2nd/3rd lines.
- PT21

Stanley Cups aren't won with one line. Richards and Carter were far more than just useful players on a lower line or complimentary players in LA. They were among the top forwards on the team and key additions that helped put the team over the top. They came close in Philly but were moved shortly after. At the time of the trade, they were more than capable and mature enough to help lead a team to the Cup. That was proven in LA.

When the Flyers went to the Cup finals, Richards was second among all forwards in scoring. At ES, Richards was 2nd and Carter was 3rd in TOI at EV. Mike Richards led all Flyers forwards in PP TOI per game. Richards was 3rd in SH TOI per game.

Stanley Cups aren't won with one line. Richards and Carter were far more than just useful players on a lower line or complimentary players in LA. They were among the top forwards on the team and key additions that helped put the team over the top. They came close in Philly but were moved shortly after. At the time of the trade, they were more than capable and mature enough to help lead a team to the Cup. That was proven in LA.

When the Flyers went to the Cup finals, Richards was second among all forwards in scoring. At ES, Richards was 2nd and Carter was 3rd in TOI at EV. Mike Richards led all Flyers forwards in PP TOI per game. Richards was 3rd in SH TOI per game.
- MJL

There are usually degrees of usefulness and importance. We built them as guys who would be the most important weapons among our forwards in a contending team, the first among equals, and I am afraid they were simply not that.

In LA they benefited from the puck possession game of the Kopitar line and that line's solid defensive play. They were among several important secondary players on those teams and they flourished in that role.

Here is Carter and Richards' stats from the most important series they played in their Philly years:

Carter and Richards in the SCF:1 g 1 A in 6 games for each.

In general they came up small when they had to lead the charge. They just didn't have what they were asked to do.

Never said they were bad players.

There are usually degrees of usefulness and importance. We built them as guys who would be the most important weapons among our forwards in a contending team, the first among equals, and I am afraid they were simply not that.


- PT21

I'm afraid that the facts don't support your flawed opinion. Both Richards and Carter were high minute all situations players both with the Flyers and with LA. They were both instrumental in the Flyers reaching the Cup finals and in winning two Stanley Cups in LA.

In LA they benefited from the puck possession game of the Kopitar line and that line's solid defensive play. They were among several important secondary players on those teams and they flourished in that role.


- PT21

Again, the facts don't support your opinion. One line doesn't make a team or a team to be good enough to win multiple Stanley cups. That they benefited from the possession game of the Kopitar line is something you just made up. They weren't secondary players in Philadelphia or LA.

Here is Carter and Richards' stats from the most important series they played in their Philly years:

Carter and Richards in the SCF:1 g 1 A in 6 games for each.

In general they came up small when they had to lead the charge. They just didn't have what they were asked to do.

Never said they were bad players.
- PT21

Their goal and assist totals in one series doesn't change the facts and that your comments on both are incorrect. You didn't say they were bad players but you did say that they weren't good enough or mature enough and that they were complimentary players. All factually incorrect. Some Philly fans have a need to downplay them as players and the roles they had in the success of their teams for some unknown ridiculous reasons. It's a tired and ridiculous premise.

There are usually degrees of usefulness and importance. We built them as guys who would be the most important weapons among our forwards in a contending team, the first among equals, and I am afraid they were simply not that.

In LA they benefited from the puck possession game of the Kopitar line and that line's solid defensive play. They were among several important secondary players on those teams and they flourished in that role.

Here is Carter and Richards' stats from the most important series they played in their Philly years:

Carter and Richards in the SCF:1 g 1 A in 6 games for each.

In general they came up small when they had to lead the charge. They just didn't have what they were asked to do.

Never said they were bad players.
- PT21

I’m not looking at the numbers but I am making a blind call here. Were Richards and Carter more important, less important or not important at all during their run in Philadelphia in 2010 vs LA in their run in 2012? I would argue their roles never changed. Danny Briere’s line did seemed like the top line in 2010. Kopitar’s line was the top line in 2012. Was Justin Williams ever a “complimentary player” in all his playoffs runs because his 2014 Conn Smyth would say he wasn’t, even if he never saw the top line. Maybe did, maybe he didn’t.