yet he made the pro bowl


not your best argument


I expected more
- navinrjohnson

Agreed. The O-line might be the "easiest" and most cost-effective area to upgrade via free agency.
- Michael Pachla

I heard Ritchie Incognito is still available

Here's a C+ from NY Post:

Analysis: No first-round pick … technically. But second-rounder Epenesa was a top-15 prospect before his poor scouting combine overshadowed his Big Ten film. Power back Moss is an injury risk.
- Michael Pachla

C+ is what i give our entire offseason
It’s fine
Just expected more than only 1 clear upgraded starter with all that Cap Room
And we had to use our 1st to get that

I don’t think we are on the level of KC & BAL
Pretty much where we were at the end of last year imo

I’m not as into the draft as a lot of you, but I did watch Day1 and 2. We DO need help on the OLine. How many times did we see the graphic that told us Josh got rushed more than any other QB in the league (or something like that)?

I think the better argument would be that with the WR corps we already had - even in a draft featuring insane and deep WR talent - we might have used some of the picks in the earlier rounds to bolster our oVerall OL talent. I don’t have any problem with the K pick in the 6th round, it’s that we didn’t do more to obtain OL help that might have taken a spot - or competed for one - on Day 1 next season.
- Der Kaiser

I'm sorry that I cannot provide posts like this but when everything I say brings about 5 or 6 people trying to lambaste me, it's kind of hard.

So: i don't disagree= I agree?

Purchase o line help via free agency.
Or trade for help.
We're way under the cap.

Draft : qb, edge rusher and cb.
That's the formula
- Boss34

Did they do that with Williams already, if he is fully healthy, he is a upgrade at RT and move Ford to RG

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/.amp-washington/college/washington/football/combine-was-disaster-for-washingtons-once-coveted-offensive-tackle
- gerbe75pts

Bills signed him! 😂😂😂
https://www.google.com/am...ams.html%3foutputType=amp

Thanks for having rationale and promoting the discussion, but then, you're one of the better ones at this kind of thing.
- BeadyEyedDouche

👍

With the overall depth of this receiving class, these were serious value picks. At least that's what they're saying. Time will tell.
- Michael Pachla

Which is another head-scratcher. Seems like they could have gotten value in UDFA from the WR position. If they hadn't drafted 2 WR's and a CB, I wouldn't have minded the K pick so much, but every other team in our division addressed their OL and we're gonna hit the waiver wire.

If the draft was deep in WR's, we shouldn't have picked 2. One of them absolutely should have been an OL.

And thanks to anyone providing information on our putrid OL, I'm not going to do people's research for them but I at least know our OL is trash, even in analytical aspects.

Did they do that with Williams already, if he is fully healthy, he is a upgrade at RT and move Ford to RG
- Buff36

Year2 of Ford, whatever position he slots in at,
should help improve

As well as a healthy Morse
That could help a lot actually

Here's a C+ from NY Post:

Analysis: No first-round pick … technically. But second-rounder Epenesa was a top-15 prospect before his poor scouting combine overshadowed his Big Ten film. Power back Moss is an injury risk.
- Michael Pachla

The NY Post always says bad things about the Bills. Maybe it's just jealousy because we're the only New York team. If you compare there grades to other's you'll find a lot different results. A lot of As and Bs in the majority of ratings are a C or D in their's. It's possible they just gave each player a value and added it up. More picks = higher grade.

C+ is what i give our entire offseason
It’s fine
Just expected more than only 1 clear upgraded starter with all that Cap Room
And we had to use our 1st to get that

I don’t think we are on the level of KC & BAL
Pretty much where we were at the end of last year imo
- jdfitz77

Generally speaking, they weren't in crisis-mode to draft starters. Imo, they were after quality depth, definitive role players and picks they could groom to become starters in the near to not too distant future

Bills signed him! 😂😂😂
https://www.google.com/am...ams.html%3foutputType=amp
- jdfitz77

That's a big boy at 6'8" 312 lbs. 34+" reach too ain't half-bad. And, according to the article, he chose the Bills.

The NY Post always says bad things about the Bills. Maybe it's just jealousy because we're the only New York team. If you compare there grades to other's you'll find a lot different results. A lot of As and Bs in the majority of ratings are a C or D in their's. It's possible they just gave each player a value and added it up. More picks = higher grade.
- adambuffalo

Probably the absolute stupidest thing anyone could say about anything, this is such a tired and played out stance.

The Bills play in Orchard Park FFS, the Bills stadium is further away from Buffalo than the Giants/Jets stadium is, it's literally right across the state border.

Generally speaking, they weren't in crisis-mode to draft starters. Imo, they were after quality depth, definitive role players and picks they could groom to become starters in the near to not too distant future
- Michael Pachla

I don’t think much of either of the WRs
Backups at best

Fromm was a great value pick,
but we hope he never plays for us

A kicker upgrade in the 6th is fine i guess,
but is it an upgrade?? Idk

Don’t think that CB will be a starter for us
Backup material again

These are all later picks that i don’t expect much from, so it’s fine i guess
The 4th rounder is the only one I’m really upset about
Hall could’ve been a CB that developed into a starter
LB or OL would’ve been nice there too


The biggest disappointment was that our Cap Space was all used to only replace guys,
and add depth
That’s nice and all
But an upgrade at DE1 & CB2 could’ve really taken our defense to the next level

That's a big boy at 6'8" 312 lbs. 34+" reach too ain't half-bad. And, according to the article, he chose the Bills.
- Michael Pachla

He was really good early in college
But last year was out of shape, & his combine was horrible
Maybe that was bc of injuries??

He needs to get back in shape & (based off that article Gerbe posted) take his career a lot more seriously

Maybe not getting drafted is the kick he needed

Only a pea-brained Buffalonian would think New Yorkers are insecure about the location of the stadium and headquarters for the NYG/NYJ, you realize why they put it there? You understand the New York metropolitan area, or no?

I guarantee you it never crosses their minds that Buffalo is the "only" New York team.

What an insecure people, Buffalonians.

If the draft was deep in WR's, we shouldn't have picked 2.
- BeadyEyedDouche

In a deep draft of WRs doesn't picking some in the later rounds have a better chance of being an NFL starter one day?
Also, there were 23 QBs that got rid of the ball quicker than Allen. Will the O-line have better results if Allen can get rid of the ball quicker with an at WR? With a healthy Singletary and Moss? I don't think that the O-line is as bad as you're making it out to be.

I don’t think much of either of the WRs
Backups at best

Fromm was a great value pick,
but we hope he never plays for us

A kicker upgrade in the 6th is fine i guess,
but is it an upgrade?? Idk

Don’t think that CB will be a starter for us
Backup material again

These are all later picks that i don’t expect much from, so it’s fine i guess
The 4th rounder is the only one I’m really upset about
Hall could’ve been a CB that developed into a starter
LB or OL would’ve been nice there too


The biggest disappointment was that our Cap Space was all used to only replace guys,
and add depth
That’s nice and all
But an upgrade at DE1 & CB2 could’ve really taken our defense to the next level
- jdfitz77

Bills had one of the top defenses in the league last year with rushing-D being the weak spot (top-10?) And I believe Epenesa will strengthen their defensive front

He was really good early in college
But last year was out of shape, & his combine was horrible
Maybe that was bc of injuries??

He needs to get back in shape & (based off that article Gerbe posted) take his career a lot more seriously

Maybe not getting drafted is the kick he needed
- jdfitz77

I'm not confident after reading that article.

People are blowing their loads over an injury prone UDFA OL but drafting one in the 6th instead of that kicker is just crazy.

At least I'm (frank)ing consistent, holy crap. Some people on here are all over the place.

And I shouldn't have to say this but no, I'm not "coming at you" fitz

Probably the absolute stupidest thing anyone could say about anything, this is such a tired and played out stance.

- BeadyEyedDouche

I would say that all kickers should punt as well is right up there as being the stupidest thing anyone said today.

He was really good early in college
But last year was out of shape, & his combine was horrible
Maybe that was bc of injuries??

He needs to get back in shape & (based off that article Gerbe posted) take his career a lot more seriously

Maybe not getting drafted is the kick he needed
- jdfitz77

Maybe the Bills will offer him the opportunity to slowly get back into shape and tighten up his overall game because they don't need to rush him. Definitely worth a shot

In a deep draft of WRs doesn't picking some in the later rounds have a better chance of being an NFL starter one day?
Also, there were 23 QBs that got rid of the ball quicker than Allen. Will the O-line have better results if Allen can get rid of the ball quicker with an at WR? With a healthy Singletary and Moss? I don't think that the O-line is as bad as you're making it out to be.
- adambuffalo

Ranked 21st out of 32 teams. They are in the lower half of the league. Allen had no pocket 70% of the time. Our OL is and has been an issue for years and just like I think you should draft a QB every year, you should draft an OL every year too, because you need someone to protect your QB, it's not exactly rocket science.

We draft OL and trade them away like nothing, Peters, Glenn, etc...

We never even go after the marquee FA OL, we always sign over-the-hill or mediocre players.

We desperately need a stud C, imo. Morse ain't it, KC let him go for a reason. He's average at best - Doesn't take a lot of penalties but that should never be an issue with your C anyway.

I would say that all kickers should punt as well is right up there as being the stupidest thing anyone said today.
- adambuffalo

And that's not what I said.

My god, you're truly awful as a human being.

Probably from Sardinia and have a Nazi Eagle tattoo with a swastika in it.

Ranked 21st out of 32 teams. They are in the lower half of the league. Allen had no pocket 70% of the time. Our OL is and has been an issue for years and just like I think you should draft a QB every year, you should draft an OL every year too, because you need someone to protect your QB, it's not exactly rocket science.

We draft OL and trade them away like nothing, Peters, Glenn, etc...

We never even go after the marquee FA OL, we always sign over-the-hill or mediocre players.

We desperately need a stud C, imo. Morse ain't it, KC let him go for a reason. He's average at best - Doesn't take a lot of penalties but that should never be an issue with your C anyway.
- BeadyEyedDouche

actually, I think morse was one of the top fa's, if not the top fa, when the bills signed him...

peters was a big loss but glenn washed out (injury-prone?)

And that's not what I said.

My god, you're truly awful as a human being.

Probably from Sardinia and have a Nazi Eagle tattoo with a swastika in it.
- BeadyEyedDouche

It's simply not that important anymore and kickers should learn how to punt in order to make themselves more valuable.

How can I explain this any (frank)ing clearer dude?
- BeadyEyedDouche

Another person who needs to learn how to read.

I literally said with the way the NFL is going, they should be looking to find hybrid kicker/punters.
It's going to happen eventually. A guy will have to kick field goals and punt.
- BeadyEyedDouche

Why not draft a guy who can both punt and kick? Why isn't there a player who can do both? Why waste a draft pick on a complete specialist position?

- BeadyEyedDouche

I'd go for 2 more than I'd go for 1 if I were a current NFL head coach.

My main point is, you should be able to find a kicker who can also punt and that's the only reason to draft one, but even then. A guy should, in 2020 with the new rule changes, be able to blast a punt, drop a kickoff and kick a 50 yarder no problems.

Being a Kicker is becoming obsolete. A good punter can also blast kickoffs. Why can't a guy punt and kick field-goals at this point?
- BeadyEyedDouche

Sorry, maybe I misread your original post. Maybe you can clarify where you didn't say that a kicker should learn how to punt.