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Apr 26 @ 9:31 AM ET
They are loaded with late round OL talent and better why draft another? They obviously have some questions with Hauschka, his contract is 4 mil a year and I believe it is up after next year so a kicker is more valuable in their eyes. - GilPerreault11
And you can find kickers on the waiver wire and sign them off practice squads pretty damn easy, too.
I think investing a draft pick on one is absurd and nothing is going to change my mind about that.
There's a great chance this guy wouldn't have been drafted and we could have just signed him as an UDFA.
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Apr 26 @ 9:36 AM ET
Because they're two entirely separate skills. Why doesn't Eichel just play goalie? - Wetbandit1
Come on Bandit, that's completely different.
Punters and kickers are "entirely" different skills? Just, no.
A better comparison is asking a defenseman to play forward or vice-versa and that regularly happens in hockey.
Pat McAfee is a great example. He became the kickoff specialist, the holder for his kicker, and he regularly dropped punts inside the 20. If it wasn't Adam God Damn Vinatieri, he very well could have been kicking field-goals in Indy, too.
If this is the way the NFL is going, I'd be pushing hard to have only 1 kicker on the roster who can do both kicking and punting. The modern NFL should move in this direction, too.
They make millions of dollars. God forbid they can punt and kick.
And you can find kickers on the waiver wire and sign them off practice squads pretty damn easy, too.
I think investing a draft pick on one is absurd and nothing is going to change my mind about that.
There's a great chance this guy wouldn't have been drafted and we could have just signed him as an UDFA. - BeadyEyedDouche
It was a 6th rd pick dude. The guy they got off of UDFA could of been picked there and we could of got kicker on UDFA. Would that made you happier?? Same players but where they were picked???? If this dude becomes a good kicker I’m happy. More teams lose by a missed field goal over a 4th string practice squad player....
If this is the way the NFL is going, I'd be pushing hard to have only 1 kicker on the roster who can do both kicking and punting. The modern NFL should move in this direction, too.
- BeadyEyedDouche
How many teams have one kicker doing both jobs? What happens if the one kicker you have gets hurt? The punter that they picked up in January can also take longer field goals, so he is more of a hybrid. Kicking field goals however is definitely a different skill set than punting.
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Apr 26 @ 10:02 AM ET
It was a 6th rd pick dude. The guy they got off of UDFA could of been picked there and we could of got kicker on UDFA. Would that made you happier?? Same players but where they were picked???? If this dude becomes a good kicker I’m happy. More teams lose by a missed field goal over a 4th string practice squad player.... - Fattony1187
Shouldn't come down to a field goal.
That 4th string guy is more important coming from your PS to fill in for injuries than a kicker since an OL needs to know blocking schemes, plays called, etc...
A kicker can come in and kick no matter what team, just like a goalie in the NHL.
The only goalie drafted in round 1 I can think off the top of my head who has become an all-time great is MAF.
I can't think of any kicker other than Janikowski who was drafted so high and still had a long and "celebrated" career. And there were a lot of reasons he was picked that high, one could argue.
We need LB depth, imo. We need OL depth. These are guys who learn the playbooks through and through, and developing one if only as a depth or substitute player is a much better way to spend draft picks.
It's not even worth arguing about, done and over with.
Last kicker we drafted in the 6th round, where is he now? 2013, Dustin Hopkins.
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Apr 26 @ 10:04 AM ET
- navinrjohnson
Completely different game.
Played on a grass field, and Scott Norwood wasn't ever a good kicker, especially on grass. In 1990, that was a very hard kick to make. Should we have drafted a kicker that year? Would Steve Christie have made that kick? Debatable.
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Apr 26 @ 10:06 AM ET
How many teams have one kicker doing both jobs? What happens if the one kicker you have gets hurt? The punter that they picked up in January can also take longer field goals, so he is more of a hybrid. Kicking field goals however is definitely a different skill set than punting. - adambuffalo
Another person who needs to learn how to read.
I literally said with the way the NFL is going, they should be looking to find hybrid kicker/punters. And I'm positive there's more than a few High Schools that have a guy kicking and punting in this country. It should become the norm if the NFL keeps eliminating the kicker's use from the game. They're even going to eliminate onside kicks.
It's going to happen eventually. A guy will have to kick field goals and punt.
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Apr 26 @ 10:08 AM ET
Interesting position taken by Beady last night on drafting OL.
The premiss of the argument moved quite a bit during the evening, night and early AM
- initially it was the Bill's haven't addressed the O-line through the draft
- asked to clarify, it became the Bill's should draft at least one between rds 2-5
- then, when evidenced was provided the Bill's had done that for 5 of the last 6 years it moved to the Bill's O-line sucks and the Bill's should draft 2 each year
-- from there it migrated to the players on the Bill's O-line are average.
- then to the Bills should use selections in later rounds on the O-line to develop them on the practice squad
Not sure what the beef was really, but it is interesting that OL position is one of the safest picks when evaluating success based on the player picked becoming a starter for at least 50% of his career.
It was found that most OL selections were made in the later rounds; 7, 6, 5th but those had low success rates of 9%, 16% and 16% respectfully. The magic really happens in rounds 3 and 4 when the raw number of picks increases from just an average of 5 each in rounds 1 & 2 AND the success rate is very good compared to other positions with 40% and 29% in 3 and 4 ( 25% for WR, 16% for RB in rd 3). Picks in rounds 1 & 2 have very high success rates of 83% and 70%...just not alot taken.
In general, I agree that OL are good picks in the middle rounds, especially needing 5 (45%) on the field every offensive play. I disagree that in general the Bill's have not addressed the O-line in the draft, they have. They have also preferred to address it via FA selecting guys who have already met the threshold of starting more than 50% of their career, so theoretically they have selected from a better pool of talent overall.
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Apr 26 @ 10:08 AM ET
A kicker or a punter has the best chance of any position to make this roster as a 6th round pick. It's that simple - jcragcrumple
Wow, mind = blown.
The NFL doesn't have a developmental league. A depth player is more important than a kicker.
There are an average of 5 specialists picked every season in the NFL. I don't want to be one of those teams when we have way bigger issues than a kicker.
The NFL doesn't have a developmental league. A depth player is more important than a kicker.
There are an average of 5 specialists picked every season in the NFL. I don't want to be one of those teams when we have way bigger issues than a kicker. - BeadyEyedDouche
You'd rather have Ike Boettger on the practice squad for 2 years than a guy who might be the Bills kicker for 4-5
Interesting position taken by Beady last night on drafting OL.
The premiss of the argument moved quite a bit during the evening, night and early AM
- initially it was the Bill's haven't addressed the O-line through the draft
- asked to clarify, it became the Bill's should draft at least one between rds 2-5
- then, when evidenced was provided the Bill's had done that for 5 of the last 6 years it moved to the Bill's O-line sucks and the Bill's should draft 2 each year
-- from there it migrated to the players on the Bill's O-line are average.
- then to the Bills should use selections in later rounds on the O-line to develop them on the practice squad
Not sure what the beef was really, but it is interesting that OL position is one of the safest picks when evaluating success based on the player picked becoming a starter for at least 50% of his career.
It was found that most OL selections were made in the later rounds; 7, 6, 5th but those had low success rates of 9%, 16% and 16% respectfully. The magic really happens in rounds 3 and 4 when the raw number of picks increases from just an average of 5 each in rounds 1 & 2 AND the success rate is very good compared to other positions with 40% and 29% in 3 and 4 ( 25% for WR, 16% for RB in rd 3). Picks in rounds 1 & 2 have very high success rates of 83% and 70%...just not alot taken.
In general, I agree that OL are good picks in the middle rounds, especially needing 5 (45%) on the field every offensive play. I disagree that in general the Bill's have not addressed the O-line in the draft, they have. They have also preferred to address it via FA selecting guys who have already met the threshold of starting more than 50% of their career, so theoretically they have selected from a better pool of talent overall.
The "take" is rated as FALSE. - IonSabres
I'm afraid to ask, but: is this your analysis, or the work of someone else?
Punters and kickers are "entirely" different skills? Just, no.
A better comparison is asking a defenseman to play forward or vice-versa and that regularly happens in hockey.
Pat McAfee is a great example. He became the kickoff specialist, the holder for his kicker, and he regularly dropped punts inside the 20. If it wasn't Adam God Damn Vinatieri, he very well could have been kicking field-goals in Indy, too.
If this is the way the NFL is going, I'd be pushing hard to have only 1 kicker on the roster who can do both kicking and punting. The modern NFL should move in this direction, too.
They make millions of dollars. God forbid they can punt and kick. - BeadyEyedDouche
Kicking off a tee is actually a lot different from kicking off the ground.
It was a 6th rd pick dude. The guy they got off of UDFA could of been picked there and we could of got kicker on UDFA. Would that made you happier?? Same players but where they were picked???? If this dude becomes a good kicker I’m happy. More teams lose by a missed field goal over a 4th string practice squad player.... - Fattony1187
The Broncos lost 4 Games this past year on time expiring kicks.
