Bills checklist:

No. 1 WR--check (Diggs)
Edge- check
Change of Pace RB--check
OL--miss
Backup QB--check
Depth CB--maybe
WR depth---check (2)

So McBeane drafted the best kicker in the draft instead of a low-ranked interior lineman or an even lower-ranked tackle.
- Michael Pachla

Drafting a kicker is absolutely bonkers, IMO.

They are a dime a dozen, there's dozens available as UDFA's and wasting a draft pick on a kicker when you could at least try to develop an OL on the practice squad is just non-sense.

Our OL has been an issue for years and I see regression from our current group, in all honesty. They haven't bolstered it at all.

The Bill's have a plethora of Oline on the team, wasn't surprised they didn't draft any.
- Buff36

None of them are above average, that's the whole problem. So yes, you should be drafting at least one of them.

None of them are above average, that's the whole problem. So yes, you should be drafting at least one of them.
- BeadyEyedDouche

And what Olineman were they gonna draft that would step in and help right know. Harrell was a nice UDFA signing.

And what Olineman were they gonna draft that would step in and help right know. Harrell was a nice UDFA signing.
- Buff36

Man you really need to learn how to read.

Man you really need to learn how to read.
- BeadyEyedDouche

OK

Drafting a kicker is absolutely bonkers, IMO.

They are a dime a dozen, there's dozens available as UDFA's and wasting a draft pick on a kicker when you could at least try to develop an OL on the practice squad is just non-sense.

Our OL has been an issue for years and I see regression from our current group, in all honesty. They haven't bolstered it at all.
- BeadyEyedDouche

so a 6th round pick is gonna change that?

so a 6th round pick is gonna change that?
- Michael Pachla

Guess so

so a 6th round pick is gonna change that?
- Michael Pachla

There's like 3 or 4 developmental Olineman on the team already, you only have so many spots

There's like 3 or 4 developmental Olineman on the team already, you only have so many spots
- Buff36

So bringing in competition for your kicker via the draft is ok but trying to find an OL in the late rounds for the same reason is just crazy because we already have OL on the team?

so a 6th round pick is gonna change that?
- Michael Pachla

No, but a kicker isn't going to change a god damn thing. Especially with the extra points pushed back and the kickoff moved up. FFS, a lot of punters end up being kickoff specialists.

Why not draft a guy who can both punt and kick? Why isn't there a player who can do both? Why waste a draft pick on a complete specialist position?

You need OL in multiple situations, not just your front 5 on downs 1-3, but an entire line on a field-goal or punt as well.

Drafting a kicker is always just a waste of a pick. Would this guy have really gone off the board? Was he really so important we traded up for him?

It makes no sense.

So bringing in competition for your kicker via the draft is ok but trying to find an OL in the late rounds for the same reason is just crazy because we already have OL on the team?
- BeadyEyedDouche

They did bring in a lineman in Harrell, so why complain.

No, but a kicker isn't going to change a god damn thing. Especially with the extra points pushed back and the kickoff moved up. FFS, a lot of punters end up being kickoff specialists.

Why not draft a guy who can both punt and kick? Why isn't there a player who can do both? Why waste a draft pick on a complete specialist position?

You need OL in multiple situations, not just your front 5 on downs 1-3, but an entire line on a field-goal or punt as well.

Drafting a kicker is always just a waste of a pick. Would this guy have really gone off the board? Was he really so important we traded up for him?

It makes no sense.
- BeadyEyedDouche

The more I read, do you read what you write, you really make yourself sound like a idiot.

No, but a kicker isn't going to change a god damn thing. Especially with the extra points pushed back and the kickoff moved up. FFS, a lot of punters end up being kickoff specialists.

Why not draft a guy who can both punt and kick? Why isn't there a player who can do both? Why waste a draft pick on a complete specialist position?

You need OL in multiple situations, not just your front 5 on downs 1-3, but an entire line on a field-goal or punt as well.

Drafting a kicker is always just a waste of a pick. Would this guy have really gone off the board? Was he really so important we traded up for him?

It makes no sense.
- BeadyEyedDouche

Doesn't moving the extra point kick back as far as they did make a good, reliable place kicker even more important now?

Doesn't moving the extra point kick back as far as they did make a good, reliable place kicker even more important now?
- Ratsreign

Is this guy reliable? We have no clue, but to trade up for him in the 6th round makes no sense.

They did bring in a lineman in Harrell, so why complain.
- Buff36

After the draft was over, so stop using things after the fact that I couldn't have predicted to happen against me.

And it's thei're.

Is this guy reliable? We have no clue, but to trade up for him in the 6th round makes no sense.
- BeadyEyedDouche

Just a general question, not related to this kicker specifically. You made it sound like moving the extra points back as far as the league did makes a good kicker less important now. Having a kicker who is money from 40-45 is more important now that there are no more 20 yd chip shot extra points. Might be worth the low pick, rather than hoping to find an UDFA gem, or relying on someone else's castoff headcase.

I think you're right about kickoffs mostly becoming a non factor with the rule changes there. But it'd be a great weapon to have a guy who could kick it a mile high (off of tee) and consistently land it inside the five (even the ten). With decent kick coverage, you could put the other team in a hole after every score of your own.

So bringing in competition for your kicker via the draft is ok but trying to find an OL in the late rounds for the same reason is just crazy because we already have OL on the team?
- BeadyEyedDouche

They are loaded with late round OL talent and better why draft another? They obviously have some questions with Hauschka, his contract is 4 mil a year and I believe it is up after next year so a kicker is more valuable in their eyes.

So bringing in competition for your kicker via the draft is ok but trying to find an OL in the late rounds for the same reason is just crazy because we already have OL on the team?
- BeadyEyedDouche

The only rounds for this year and probably next to draft an OL to make a difference and upgrade what they have is 1st -3rd maybe 4th, preferably 1st and 2nd rounds. 5th-7th will most likely be depth, practice squad, or cut.

Drafting a kicker is absolutely bonkers, IMO.

They are a dime a dozen, there's dozens available as UDFA's and wasting a draft pick on a kicker when you could at least try to develop an OL on the practice squad is just non-sense.

Our OL has been an issue for years and I see regression from our current group, in all honesty. They haven't bolstered it at all.
- BeadyEyedDouche

Would you rather him trade for a worse 6th instead?

No, but a kicker isn't going to change a god damn thing. Especially with the extra points pushed back and the kickoff moved up. FFS, a lot of punters end up being kickoff specialists.

Why not draft a guy who can both punt and kick? Why isn't there a player who can do both? Why waste a draft pick on a complete specialist position?

You need OL in multiple situations, not just your front 5 on downs 1-3, but an entire line on a field-goal or punt as well.

Drafting a kicker is always just a waste of a pick. Would this guy have really gone off the board? Was he really so important we traded up for him?

It makes no sense.
- BeadyEyedDouche

Because they're two entirely separate skills. Why doesn't Eichel just play goalie?

miley cyrus never really did much for me, but this boomer, and devout Pink Floyd fan, likes this.

They did bring in a lineman in Harrell, so why complain.
- Buff36

he had a good post draft


landed many players that should have been drafted

Man you really need to learn how to read.
- BeadyEyedDouche

It’s 2020 know. You don’t think he now’s that?

Famous Jameis going to the Saints? Holy S, he’ll throw for 5,000 yards behind that o line after Brees hangs it up. That O Line’s got nothing on the Bills.

Just a general question, not related to this kicker specifically. You made it sound like moving the extra points back as far as the league did makes a good kicker less important now. Having a kicker who is money from 40-45 is more important now that there are no more 20 yd chip shot extra points. Might be worth the low pick, rather than hoping to find an UDFA gem, or relying on someone else's castoff headcase.

I think you're right about kickoffs mostly becoming a non factor with the rule changes there. But it'd be a great weapon to have a guy who could kick it a mile high (off of tee) and consistently land it inside the five (even the ten). With decent kick coverage, you could put the other team in a hole after every score of your own.
- Ratsreign

I'd go for 2 more than I'd go for 1 if I were a current NFL head coach.

My main point is, you should be able to find a kicker who can also punt and that's the only reason to draft one, but even then. A guy should, in 2020 with the new rule changes, be able to blast a punt, drop a kickoff and kick a 50 yarder no problems.

Being a Kicker is becoming obsolete. A good punter can also blast kickoffs. Why can't a guy punt and kick field-goals at this point?