He's young still learning, JTM should get an A though. I've never had a problem with Sutter.
- VanHockeyGuy

I have always liked Sutter. I thought his purpose was to ease Bo into a top center when Sedins left and Kes had already left.

I always felt he was a third line guy who was in a second line role.

I think he shielded Bo and so for me he met expectations. It is time to move on for him now.

Okay so we're stuck with him. Maybe your organizational theory is better to have differing opinions in a management team instead of supporters of a plan.

But where is the trend going now such as more positives like JTM and less impacting misses like Ferland. Despite the ugly past its important that he's learned to make the team trend up.
- NuckUp

IMO the system is more responsible for their upward trend than Jim Benning alone, I mean come on, it doesn’t take a genius to pick from the top of the entire draft.

Kevin Lowe, Craig McTavish and Peter Chiarelli collectively picked McDavid, Draisaitl, RNH, Taylor Hall, Nurse, Klefbom, etc. that doesn’t make them great GM’s.

Does Benning (and company) deserve credit for some great drafting, absolutely he does, but the hard part is building around those picks, something he just shoots from the hip with IMO and he’s (frank)ed up the cap flexibility while doing it.

So do we keep the draft picks this year or not?
- VanHockeyGuy

Yes if they have playoffs. Unknown scenarios on cancellation with lots in play.

Francesco probably likes Benning because the buildings are full and the fan base is invested.

The merchandise is rolling off the shelves , team is in the playoff hunt and people are talking Canucks 365 days a year.

As far as the cap Chris Gear and Johnathan Wall are now handling things for the Canucks and over the last two years the contracts seem to be much better.
- VANTEL

1) About the revenue increasing, I think that it goes to my point: it's always about now. Build a real contender and your sacrifice in short term revenue is recouped several times over when they are contenders (solid playoff team) like 2009-2013. When (if) the team stalls, like some of us think will happen, so will the revenue. Long term vs short term thinking.

2) The cap has been mismanaged because of bad contracts and signing the wrong players. Having better negotiators might take pressure off of some of Benning's incompetence but not all of it. Myers has a decent contract but a lot of us argued last season that his deficiencies are too much for this team. Even you acknowledge that he is a buyout candidate. And that's one year into his Canuck career.

I have always liked Sutter. I thought his purpose was to ease Bo into a top center when Sedins left and Kes had already left.

I always felt he was a third line guy who was in a second line role.

I think he shielded Bo and so for me he met expectations. It is time to move on for him now.
- VANTEL

Yup, free up some $.

There’s a lot of moving parts and it’d take a book to comment on all of them, but you’re right, things take time. No ones debating that.

And trust me, a lot goes on in the room that you’ll never know or hear about regarding character guys, who’s learning and who’s teaching, strong personalities vs quiet guys, etc.

If I were the GM of the Canucks I’d say the same thing that was said about the 2015 team, this team is punching above their weight class. Something I don’t think Benning would ever say even behind closed doors.

Their poor play has been masked by great goaltending all year, the numbers will tell you that. I’d still be very much in the building phase with this group. At first I didn’t like the Miller trade, but in retrospect he’s been the Canucks second best player and a real leader in the room. That’s a win for JB.

I like the Toffoli trade because the team was so close to a playoff spot I felt like they deserved a shot at it. All that said, I still feel like they’re in over their heads with how they play and how they’re constructed.
- Pacificgem

I don't look at it as punching above their weight class. They were top 10 in scoring.

They beat a lot of really good teams this year . They lost to some dogs.

They need to figure out what is going on in the back end , players and coaches.

Everyone said last summer they should be a bubble team. They were . I think they were close to where they were seen to be. I had them a little higher around 96 points but we will never know,

Yup, free up some $.
- VanHockeyGuy

Horvat and Sutter for Matty Barzal

I don't look at it as punching above their weight class. They were top 10 in scoring.

They beat a lot of really good teams this year . They lost to some dogs.

They need to figure out what is going on in the back end , players and coaches.

Everyone said last summer they should be a bubble team. They were . I think they were close to where they were seen to be. I had them a little higher around 96 points but we will never know,
- VANTEL

It’s not the 80’s or 90’s anymore though, you can’t out-score your defensive deficiencies without all-star goaltending. That’s not a recipe for playoff success.

Probably falls more on coaching than lineup though.

1) About the revenue increasing, I think that it goes to my point: it's always about now. Build a real contender and your sacrifice in short term revenue is recouped several times over when they are contenders (solid playoff team) like 2009-2013. When (if) the team stalls, like some of us think will happen, so will the revenue. Long term vs short term thinking.

2) The cap has been mismanaged because of bad contracts and signing the wrong players. Having better negotiators might take pressure off of some of Benning's incompetence but not all of it. Myers has a decent contract but a lot of us argued last season that his deficiencies are too much for this team. Even you acknowledge that he is a buyout candidate. And that's one year into his Canuck career.
- RealityChecker

Is too much a cap reference? Didn't the D improve from the previous season?

Horvat and Sutter for Matty Barzal
- Pacificgem

Sure! I'm also interested in seeing if JB can make a creative deal which maybe gets us a high pick, or fill's another area of need like D.

Is too much a cap reference? Didn't the D improve from the previous season?
- NuckUp

Only the amount that you got.

1) About the revenue increasing, I think that it goes to my point: it's always about now. Build a real contender and your sacrifice in short term revenue is recouped several times over when they are contenders (solid playoff team) like 2009-2013. When (if) the team stalls, like some of us think will happen, so will the revenue. Long term vs short term thinking.

2) The cap has been mismanaged because of bad contracts and signing the wrong players. Having better negotiators might take pressure off of some of Benning's incompetence but not all of it. Myers has a decent contract but a lot of us argued last season that his deficiencies are too much for this team. Even you acknowledge that he is a buyout candidate. And that's one year into his Canuck career.
- RealityChecker

Erikssons contract is shameful. Of course everyone knows where I stand on it because he was brought in to extend the career of the Twins. Dumbest contract in Canucks history.

I have lots and lots of questions about Myers. Some nights great and some nights OMFG. I can't remember how I felt about his signing I think I was wait and see .


Believe it or not the older I get the calmer I get. I sit back now and enjoy the hockey and think they will figure it out.

As you know though I do like to add my two cents

It’s not the 80’s or 90’s anymore though, you can’t out-score your defensive deficiencies without all-star goaltending. That’s not a recipe for playoff success.

Probably falls more on coaching than lineup though.
- Pacificgem

Toronto TB and the Oilers think you can outscore your problems

Erikssons contract is shameful. Of course everyone knows where I stand on it because he was brought in to extend the career of the Twins. Dumbest contract in Canucks history.

I have lots and lots of questions about Myers. Some nights great and some nights OMFG. I can't remember how I felt about his signing I think I was wait and see .


Believe it or not the older I get the calmer I get. I sit back now and enjoy the hockey and think they will figure it out.

As you know though I do like to add my two cents
- VANTEL

Don guarantees he's gone after his bonus is paid this July.

Why are they misses?
- NuckUp

All things being equal Benn is a healthy scratch. Myers brings a really expensive 25 points to the table and hasn't exactly been a great defender.

4 People stabbed, 1 dead after house party in Kamloops. WTF is wrong with people?

Erikssons contract is shameful. Of course everyone knows where I stand on it because he was brought in to extend the career of the Twins. Dumbest contract in Canucks history.

I have lots and lots of questions about Myers. Some nights great and some nights OMFG. I can't remember how I felt about his signing I think I was wait and see .


Believe it or not the older I get the calmer I get. I sit back now and enjoy the hockey and think they will figure it out.

As you know though I do like to add my two cents
- VANTEL

We're all just here shooting the sh!t and voicing our opinions. It just takes years for our opinions to be shown right or wrong. There's always going to be some stuff that goes right and some stuff that goes wrong day-to-day or month-to-month so that allows the daily discussion. That's why we're here. We all just want the team to win the cup. We just have different opinions on how to get there and whether certain management and/or players are the right ones to get the team there.

4 People stabbed, 1 dead after house party in Kamloops. WTF is wrong with people?
- VanHockeyGuy

I wonder if someone got pissed off of a social gathering.

We're all just here shooting the sh!t and voicing our opinions. It just takes years for our opinions to be shown right or wrong. There's always going to be some stuff that goes right and some stuff that goes wrong day-to-day or month-to-month so that allows the daily discussion. That's why we're here. We all just want the team to win the cup. We just have different opinions on how to get there and whether certain management and/or players are the right ones to get the team there.
- RealityChecker

It is nice to be talking hockey again

Lefty's new gym in Arizona and work out goals,

https://twitter.com/i/status/1244247901649489920

https://twitter.com/i/status/1243683074707243009

Why are they misses?
- NuckUp

Benn sucks and Myers is paid too much for what little he does other than being tall and he has too much term.

IMO the system is more responsible for their upward trend than Jim Benning alone, I mean come on, it doesn’t take a genius to pick from the top of the entire draft.

Kevin Lowe, Craig McTavish and Peter Chiarelli collectively picked McDavid, Draisaitl, RNH, Taylor Hall, Nurse, Klefbom, etc. that doesn’t make them great GM’s.

Does Benning (and company) deserve credit for some great drafting, absolutely he does, but the hard part is building around those picks, something he just shoots from the hip with IMO and he’s (frank)ed up the cap flexibility while doing it.
- Pacificgem

Isn't TT and JTM plus Myers building around those picks?

What seems to have come out of the season is the young pieces have taken long strides up. Then you them saying they have lots of prospects that can make the team soon. Doesn't that signal they will get rid of some of the expensive crutches they brought in? Even force out old mistakes like LE that are now ripe to push away.

Lefty's new gym in Arizona and work out goals,

https://twitter.com/i/status/1244247901649489920

https://twitter.com/i/status/1243683074707243009
- VANTEL

The 2nd one Nice shot!

The 2nd one Nice shot!
- VanHockeyGuy

Running the gauntlet

Only the amount that you got.
- RealityChecker

So the debate is Myers won't help them to keep improving but become an anchor?