Different circumstances . People want to go back but after this work stoppage it is going to take time for peoples finances to recover.
- VANTEL

Agree...this is different, they may want to come back, but can’t. Hopefully we can get a handle on it in the USA and Canada. With most of the teams being in the States, the balls really in their court.

I don’t know how much you can trust China, although the WHO was allowed in I believe, anyway, they first announced this December 31st and now have control over it through strict measures. So eleven weeks.

Hopefully we can get a handle on this by the end of May, what happens after that, the economic impact, will take awhile to come out of. If it lasts longer, well into summer, in will be catastrophic.
- LeftCoaster

I don't think it will be anymore catastrophic to have things linger into the summer as we build herd immunity ( if we are indeed immune after having been ill ) than it is to have everything just up and running again at full speed and then shutting it down again.

I'm clearly not a Trump guy but there are a few lessons to come from this. Canada needs to be more self-reliant. It might be a great time to kill the auto pact. We have the ability to grow and produce much more food at a price not that far over global market prices, in many cases at a lower price. We might just need to eat more frozen crops, shouldn't be an issue in the winter for most of Canada. Expansion of hot houses and heating them shouldn't be an issue, not with oil trading at $7 barrel anyways.


I wouldn't be bailing out the airlines any time soon, i'd rather have strict procedures in place and have people pay a premium. There's a way to make all of this work for Canada, we're a great country with a high level of education.

You under-hypers make me sick. Let me tell you something idiot, and mark my words, they'll be naming rinks and erecting statues for the kid by the time he's done. Can't wait to see him play sometime.
- Load Management

Lol.

I don't think it will be anymore catastrophic to have things linger into the summer as we build herd immunity ( if we are indeed immune after having been ill ) than it is to have everything just up and running again at full speed and then shutting it down again.

I'm clearly not a Trump guy but there are a few lessons to come from this. Canada needs to be more self-reliant. It might be a great time to kill the auto pact. We have the ability to grow and produce much more food at a price not that far over global market prices, in many cases at a lower price. We might just need to eat more frozen crops, shouldn't be an issue in the winter for most of Canada. Expansion of hot houses and heating them shouldn't be an issue, not with oil trading at $7 barrel anyways.


I wouldn't be bailing out the airlines any time soon, i'd rather have strict procedures in place and have people pay a premium. There's a way to make all of this work for Canada, we're a great country with a high level of education.
- golfingsince

👏👏👏

You under-hypers make me sick. Let me tell you something idiot, and mark my words, they'll be naming rinks and erecting statues for the kid by the time he's done. Can't wait to see him play sometime.
- Load Management

I don't think it will be anymore catastrophic to have things linger into the summer as we build herd immunity ( if we are indeed immune after having been ill ) than it is to have everything just up and running again at full speed and then shutting it down again.

I'm clearly not a Trump guy but there are a few lessons to come from this. Canada needs to be more self-reliant. It might be a great time to kill the auto pact. We have the ability to grow and produce much more food at a price not that far over global market prices, in many cases at a lower price. We might just need to eat more frozen crops, shouldn't be an issue in the winter for most of Canada. Expansion of hot houses and heating them shouldn't be an issue, not with oil trading at $7 barrel anyways.


I wouldn't be bailing out the airlines any time soon, i'd rather have strict procedures in place and have people pay a premium. There's a way to make all of this work for Canada, we're a great country with a high level of education.
- golfingsince

Problem is, we don't have any manufactoring capacity, sure, we can grow more crops, but unless we heavily invest in heavy industry and switch from our resource based economy, I don't see us being able to pull off a Trump-style Canada First type policies. Not to mention most of the country save for the prairies and parts of Atlantic Canada are all far-left leaning (which is partially why we have Drama Queen as our PM). They aren't going to be happy if we beef up heavy industry and add more carbon into the air from all the smokestacks. There's a reason why Hamilton is super poor even though it's known as "Steeltown"

This.
I still love you like a brother.
- Marwood

I kind of remember you not liking your brother very much.

I don’t know how much you can trust China, although the WHO was allowed in I believe, anyway, they first announced this December 31st and now have control over it through strict measures. So eleven weeks.

Hopefully we can get a handle on this by the end of May, what happens after that, the economic impact, will take awhile to come out of. If it lasts longer, well into summer, it’ll be catastrophic.
- LeftCoaster

It's going to be tough for Penticton to come out of this.

I remember a lot of people were pissed off after the last lockout and said they’d never support the league again, and some didn’t, but most fans came back. I can see that happening again. Although this has global financial ramifications, which didn’t exist back then so you may be right.

I used to always go to games and had season packages, haven’t been to a game in three years.
- LeftCoaster

I've been going to Rocket's and Vee's games, great entertainment.

Problem is, we don't have any manufactoring capacity, sure, we can grow more crops, but unless we heavily invest in heavy industry and switch from our resource based economy, I don't see us being able to pull off a Trump-style Canada First type policies. Not to mention most of the country save for the prairies and parts of Atlantic Canada are all far-left leaning (which is partially why we have Drama Queen as our PM). They aren't going to be happy if we beef up heavy industry and add more carbon into the air from all the smokestacks. There's a reason why Hamilton is super poor even though it's known as "Steeltown"
- DariusKnight

Ontario thrived on manufacturing for years, it's actually an outsourcing of that manufacturing that led to it's decline.

I'm rather left wing, I don't think we have to beef up heavy industry to become more self reliant.

You under-hypers make me sick. Let me tell you something idiot, and mark my words, they'll be naming rinks and erecting statues for the kid by the time he's done. Can't wait to see him play sometime.
- Load Management

Bravo!

Ontario thrived on manufacturing for years, it's actually an outsourcing of that manufacturing that led to it's decline.

I'm rather left wing, I don't think we have to beef up heavy industry to become more self reliant.
- golfingsince

We rely heavily on the import of manufactured goods, we may have the most natural resources of any country (forestry, oil & gas, minerals, etc.), but we lack the ability to do anything with those resources ourselves. So yes, outsourcing is the problem, that said too many people wanted it to happen. Self-reliance means that we rely less on imports from other countries and can produce the same goods of the same quality for roughly the same price. That requires a major shift in our economy and a major investment in the heavy industrial sector that's been neglected for years through taxation and regulation to encourage them to stop outsourcing and return.

I don’t know how much you can trust China, although the WHO was allowed in I believe, anyway, they first announced this December 31st and now have control over it through strict measures. So eleven weeks.

Hopefully we can get a handle on this by the end of May, what happens after that, the economic impact, will take awhile to come out of. If it lasts longer, well into summer, it’ll be catastrophic.
- LeftCoaster

Probably needs to be a bit sooner than that. 30-40 days from this point max. Or catastrophic might not be the word for it lol

Ontario thrived on manufacturing for years, it's actually an outsourcing of that manufacturing that led to it's decline.

I'm rather left wing, I don't think we have to beef up heavy industry to become more self reliant.
- golfingsince

As economies grow, they traditionally move from manufacturing to service as the middle class consumes more.

To move back to manufacturing will require not only a shift in governmental priorities but more importantly a shift in the mindset of consumers, namely, the willingness to spend more money on products than they do now.

This is the difficult part especially with the availability of cheap goods from wherever.

Invoking isolationist policies sound good (especially during elections) but won't help (imo). It's great to say to "buy Canadian" but will the average consumer be willing to spend 10-50% more on the same goods especially with salaries staying flat or decreasing.

Businesses won't want to increase input costs (labour and materials) because at the end of the day, they decrease profits. Decreasing regulations (lol another great political scoring point without reality to back it up) or corporate taxes won't make up the difference.

As economies grow, they traditionally move from manufacturing to service as the middle class consumes more.

To move back to manufacturing will require not only a shift in governmental priorities but more importantly a shift in the mindset of consumers, namely, the willingness to spend more money on products than they do now.

This is the difficult part especially with the availability of cheap goods from wherever.

Invoking isolationist policies sound good (especially during elections) but won't help (imo). It's great to say to "buy Canadian" but will the average consumer be willing to spend 10-50% more on the same goods especially with salaries staying flat or decreasing.

Businesses won't want to increase input costs (labour and materials) because at the end of the day, they decrease profits. Decreasing regulations (lol another great political scoring point without reality to back it up) or corporate taxes won't make up the difference.
- RealityChecker

So true. If you want to implement a “living wage” policy then get ready to pay $12 for a Big Mac and $8.50 for a double-double.

It’s all about low cost consumerism vs fair wage. Unfortunately, you can’t have it both ways.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1243556170461315072

Don't even ask how

I kind of remember you not liking your brother very much.
- bloatedmosquito

Haven't spoken to the self-centered asshat in years.

Haven't spoken to the self-centered asshat in years.
- Marwood

So if you love Lefty like a brother does that mean he’s a self-centred asshat?

So if you love Lefty like a brother does that mean he’s a self-centred asshat?
- bloatedmosquito

It's open to interpretation.

It's open to interpretation.
- Marwood

It's open to interpretation.
- Marwood

That’s hurtful, I thought we had a clear understanding/agreement that irrespective of our political and cultural differences we always had each other’s back’s

That’s hurtful, I thought we had a clear understanding/agreement that irrespective of our political and cultural differences we always had each other’s back’s
- LeftCoaster

Don't be such an emo.
Benning haters unite!

https://twitter.com/i/status/1243596414183190530

- LordHumungous

Don't be such an emo.
Benning haters unite!
- Marwood

What’s an “emo”?