jcragcrumple
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Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT Joined: 04.04.2016
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Are we all going to ignore that jcrag is a flat earther? - Beethoven
Buncha globecucks on this website |
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robz228
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: NY Joined: 07.07.2010
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imagine thinking the earth is round |
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kritter65
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Buffalo, NY Joined: 07.11.2009
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I'm glad we're actually talking hockey, and sorry for bringing up Covid 19 here again. But ...
Say what you want about Cuomo, but his updates destroy Trump's updates ... and I don't even hate Trump like most of America does. I think Cuomo is doing an excellent job during all of this.
Carry on. |
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ieetbred
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: NY Joined: 06.30.2011
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imagine thinking the earth is round - robz228
It isnt far fetched if you use the nerd stats |
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sbroads24
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Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY Joined: 02.12.2012
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imagine thinking the earth is round - robz228
Wake up sheeple. |
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robz228
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: NY Joined: 07.07.2010
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if the earth was round the virus would have just fallen off when it got to this side |
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kingcong39
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Location: albany, NY Joined: 02.21.2007
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I'm glad we're actually talking hockey, and sorry for bringing up Covid 19 here again. But ...
Say what you want about Cuomo, but his updates destroy Trump's updates ... and I don't even hate Trump like most of America does. I think Cuomo is doing an excellent job during all of this.
Carry on. - kritter65
I love that he uses a slide deck for his updates. |
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homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: We want 1, FL Joined: 02.24.2008
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Why are we downplaying Olofsson now? - Herzeleid
would you pay a guy with 20 nhl goals 5 mil a year, dinged up last 2 seasons
or give him a bridge deal? |
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robz228
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: NY Joined: 07.07.2010
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would you pay a guy with 20 nhl goals 5 mil a year, dinged up last 2 seasons
or give him a bridge deal? - homiedclown
a bridge deal is how we end up with having to overpay reinhart instead of having him locked in at a decent value |
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homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: We want 1, FL Joined: 02.24.2008
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. and I don't even hate Trump like most of America does.
Carry on. - kritter65
this is just not true
half of the country loves him, half hate him |
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homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: We want 1, FL Joined: 02.24.2008
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a bridge deal is how we end up with having to overpay reinhart instead of having him locked in at a decent value - robz228
the contract floated out there was 4 years 5 mil per
IMO that is the worst of the 3 options
either A get him a 2 year bridge deal
or B lock him up for 8 years |
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robz228
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: NY Joined: 07.07.2010
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the contract floated out there was 4 years 5 mil per
IMO that is the worst of the 3 options
either A get him a 2 year bridge deal
or B lock him up for 8 years - homiedclown
yeah 4 years is still a bridge. if hes getting 5 mill it would have to be 6 years at least for me
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jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT Joined: 04.04.2016
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the contract floated out there was 4 years 5 mil per
IMO that is the worst of the 3 options
either A get him a 2 year bridge deal
or B lock him up for 8 years - homiedclown
I still think 5 years is the sweet spot. That should be a cup window if Botterill decides that he's ever going to do more than just be the rootin tootinest, hardest trying GM in the league. That keeps the AAV down and lets the sabres really stock up on talent.
I think we all know that Botterill will bridge him though so this is pretty moot
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sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY Joined: 02.12.2012
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Olofsson isn’t really good.
Locking him up long term isn’t a good idea at all |
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robz228
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: NY Joined: 07.07.2010
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Olofsson isn’t really good.
Locking him up long term isn’t a good idea at all - sbroads24
we can't complain about never having value contracts if we never try to sign one |
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sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY Joined: 02.12.2012
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we can't complain about never having value contracts if we never try to sign one - robz228
He’s not a value player.
Dominik Kahun >>> Olofsson
Lock him up to a 5 year 3-3.5 mil deal first |
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robz228
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: NY Joined: 07.07.2010
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He’s not a value player.
Dominik Kahun >>> Olofsson
Lock him up to a 5 year 3-3.5 mil deal first - sbroads24
So do you think there will never be a player out there ever who's offense outweighs their total game?
You don't think having a 25 goal scorer for 5 million is good because his corsi is bad?
Remember, theres a total picture |
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sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY Joined: 02.12.2012
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So do you think there will never be a player out there ever who's offense outweighs their total game?
You don't think having a 25 goal scorer for 5 million is good because his corsi is bad?
Remember, theres a total picture - robz228
I’m not saying it’s “bad”. I’m saying it’s not value.
He’s not a very good player. He’s a shooter who can’t score off the PP.
I’m pretty confident at 5 mil that’s not valuable |
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robz228
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: NY Joined: 07.07.2010
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I’m not saying it’s “bad”. I’m saying it’s not value.
He’s not a very good player. He’s a shooter who can’t score off the PP.
I’m pretty confident at 5 mil that’s not valuable - sbroads24
You have to decide if you think the powerplay has any value or if its useless. You walk some weird line between them depending on what argument you're trying to make. |
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sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY Joined: 02.12.2012
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You have to decide if you think the powerplay has any value or if its useless. You walk some weird line between them depending on what argument you're trying to make. - robz228
It has some value.
Taking feeds from 26 and 9 and leading us to a bottom 10 PP is......5 mil worth? Nah |
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My last thing on Olofsson for now:
The whole reason you pay up for shooting talent is because it translates to goals. More specifically, high end shooting talent can get you the kind of goals the average person cant
If your top line generates lets say an XGF of 20 and you want to get to 28. The cost of getting to that is say 12 million. If you've got a high end shooter who regularly beats his XG who wants 7 million, this is where you get a lot of value. Because even though your XG may not improve, that shooting talent can bring the same results that an improved XG would for less money because he's consistently beating his expected goals percentage.
Olofsson has shown the ability to do this at one game state, the one with lots of open ice and dishes from Dahlin and Eichel.
At 5v5, his goals above expected is 0.3 and again thats playing with two of the best playmakers on the team. If the great shot isn't translating into goals above expected somewhere other than the power play, im not sure what we're paying for.
For comparison sake, what would happen if we swapped Olofsson for Kahun on the top line and top power play(I use him because the total on ice results look like exact average which is convenient). How different would production be on either? Does Kahun only have half as many goals on the PP but twice as many at 5v5? He did outperform his XG by quite a bit.
It's basically Patrik Laine lite. We know the raw talent is there, but there are too many question marks for a long term deal now.
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robz228
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: NY Joined: 07.07.2010
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It has some value.
Taking feeds from 26 and 9 and leading us to a bottom 10 PP is......5 mil worth? Nah - sbroads24
That's a bit of a strawman argument. The powerplay was dead last for the entire stretch he was out.
So my strawman argument is that his shooting talent is so good that he dragged the corpse of a pathetic powerplay to at least be a threat, which is worth 5 mil |
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robz228
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: NY Joined: 07.07.2010
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6 years of screaming WE HAVE NO DEPTH
then we acquire what looks like a nice depth piece in kahun
WHO NEEDS OLOFSSON WHEN WE CAN PUT KAHUN ON L1
the circus continues |
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Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK! Joined: 07.27.2007
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this is just not true
half of the country loves him, half hate him - homiedclown
100th episode of CURB tonight. |
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