Not sure why anyone thinks he earned 5 million. That’s a second contract
- Fattony1187

I don't get it, if he is the real deal

last thing you want is for him to walk after 4 years


he had an injury this year, and one last year

good kid
hell of a shot


need a much bigger body of work to get north of 3 mil right now

I skimmed over that
- homiedclown

To be fair, that's the kind of deal most people skim over

Imo, armia turned in to a good 3rd liner, and will continue as such as long as he stays relatively motivated...as for roslovic?...i don't understand the love for a guy that looks like a good 4th liner
- Michael Pachla

is girgens a decent third liner?

pretty much the same player except one stays on his feet more


either way, based on where they were drafted, bust

5 mil for olofsson, no chance

kid only played 60 games in the nhl

2 year bridge deal 3 mil per
- homiedclown

Better off offering a deal to comprise the bulk of his prime imo. Offer a 5 year deal - mutually beneficial for both sides: he gets to UFA quicker and we get the prime years. 5x5 or 5x5.5

I don't get it, if he is the real deal

last thing you want is for him to walk after 4 years


he had an injury this year, and one last year

good kid
hell of a shot


need a much bigger body of work to get north of 3 mil right now
- homiedclown

He had three fewer 5v5 goals than Girgensons playing with Eichel and Reinhart

He had three fewer 5v5 goals than Girgensons playing with Eichel and Reinhart
- Michael Ghofrani

oh my

He had three fewer 5v5 goals than Girgensons playing with Eichel and Reinhart
- Michael Ghofrani

Not everyone is a complete player. He has an elite shot. That's valuable

Better off offering a deal to comprise the bulk of his prime imo. Offer a 5 year deal - mutually beneficial for both sides: he gets to UFA quicker and we get the prime years. 5x5 or 5x5.5
- jcragcrumple

then give him 8 years at 5 mil IMO

I am fine with that

Not everyone is a complete player. He has an elite shot. That's valuable
- jcragcrumple

late second rd pick, see kotalik

Not everyone is a complete player. He has an elite shot. That's valuable
- jcragcrumple

He does have an elite shot, so the fact that he's not scoring at 5v5 with Eichel tells me he can't find that space to get his shot off.

Sort of a pre-req for a sharp shooter in the top 6

late second rd pick, see kotalik
- homiedclown

There are probably fewer than 25 truly complete players in the NHL. I would argue McDavid is not a complete player. The name of the game is to acquire incomplete players with different skillsets that fit together and balance deficiencies

He does have an elite shot, so the fact that he's not scoring at 5v5 with Eichel tells me he can't find that space to get his shot off.

Sort of a pre-req for a sharp shooter in the top 6
- Michael Ghofrani

I'm not nearly as worried about how a goal scorer gets his goals as the analytic community. 30 goals counts the same to me

There are probably fewer than 25 truly complete players in the NHL. I would argue McDavid is not a complete player. The name of the game is to acquire incomplete players with different skillsets that fit together and balance deficiencies
- jcragcrumple

and if they love him and want to pay him, lock him up for 8 years

don't let him walk in 4 years when we are finally , hopefully, a decent team

then give him 8 years at 5 mil IMO

I am fine with that
- homiedclown

Having one of those “steal” contacts to go along with Eichel’s steal. I like it.

I'm not nearly as worried about how a goal scorer gets his goals as the analytic community. 30 goals counts the same to me
- jcragcrumple

is 20 the new 30?


evander got ran out for 28 goals

skinner is about to get run out for 40 goals

and if they love him and want to pay him, lock him up for 8 years

don't let him walk in 4 years when we are finally , hopefully, a decent team
- homiedclown

Sure, I have no problem with that. But I view the next 5 years as a real window. If I can keep his AAV down and only give him a 5 year deal instead of 8, I'd do that so we can get loaded up

I'm not nearly as worried about how a goal scorer gets his goals as the analytic community. 30 goals counts the same to me
- jcragcrumple

im more concerned with how much it costs.

im more concerned with how much it costs.
- Michael Ghofrani

Then you dont bridge him imo. All that does is kick the can and now you're paying Reinhart $8m a year because a bridge was a seemingly more risk-averse option. Lock him up for over 4 years at sub-$6m and you're doing very well. I think 5/$28 is a sweet spot

Gerbe has mentioned this and I think it's true: he's a 7th round pick who beat the odds. If you flash some cash in front of his face, he'll take it

Then you dont bridge him imo. All that does is kick the can and now you're paying Reinhart $8m a year because a bridge was a seemingly more risk-averse option. Lock him up for over 4 years at sub-$6m and you're doing very well. I think 5/$28 is a sweet spot
- jcragcrumple

Shooting talent is very valuable so players who can regularly beat their xg with that talent are worth their weight in cap space.

But Olofsson hasn't actually shown that. He's done it on the PP taking feeds from two of the best PP set up guys, and come up well short playing with two of the better 5v5 set up guys.

I don't know how much he moves the needle at 5v5 or even on the PP that ranked 22nd in goals for

He may also have been a victim of low event hockey and personnel decisions on PP1. But he's exactly the type of player you bridge. Cause you think there's something there but you haven't actually seen it.

Reinhart had at least shown it.

Shooting talent is very valuable so players who can regularly beat their xg with that talent are worth their weight in cap space.

But Olofsson hasn't actually shown that. He's done it on the PP taking feeds from two of the best PP set up guys, and come up well short playing with two of the better 5v5 set up guys.

I don't know how much he moves the needle at 5v5 or even on the PP that ranked 22nd in goals for

He may also have been a victim of low event hockey and personnel decisions on PP1. But he's exactly the type of player you bridge. Cause you think there's something there but you haven't actually seen it.

Reinhart had at least shown it.
- Michael Ghofrani

I think expected goals is a horrible predictive stat - there are too many individual variables. I put no stock in it whatsoever, personally. I also really dont care if he does his scoring on the PP or 5-on-5. I understand even strength scoring is a very important facet of the game, but that's not the be-all, end-all for me.

I also think that bridging him is a horrible idea. Had the season not been truncated and had he not been hurt, he easily would have gotten 30. The price for that is only going to increase. His shot is absolutely elite. That doesn't come around often

The return for Kane and the acquisition of Montour was fine imo. It's the lack of a cohesive vision to make that move fit into the framework of a team that failed. It's ridiculous that the roster construction forced him to play forward at times. Even playing LD is bad. When you pay premium RHD prices, there needs to be an emphasis on proper utilization. The whole thing was botched but the upside is that Montour might cost less
- jcragcrumple

I mean it does look quite bad, I’d also hope that the GM gets the best return possible for our RHD also. Perhaps the market wasn’t there. Last thing we need is to lose a trade at this point.

I think expected goals is a horrible predictive stat - there are too many individual variables. I put no stock in it whatsoever, personally. I also really dont care if he does his scoring on the PP or 5-on-5. I understand even strength scoring is a very important facet of the game, but that's not the be-all, end-all for me.

I also think that bridging him is a horrible idea. Had the season not been truncated and had he not been hurt, he easily would have gotten 30. The price for that is only going to increase. His shot is absolutely elite. That doesn't come around often
- jcragcrumple

It's not a be all end all, but there are enough question marks there that warrant a bridge deal.

Even if you think XG is nonsense and that teams should invest the same amount for PP scoring as anything else, we're still talking about a unit that overall wasn't very good.

Dahlin and Eichel set him up well, and his PP shooting percentage was top 30, which sounds impressive, until you see that Valteri Filppula's was higher.

Yeah that’s the issue. Same with Miller.

We traded for Montour/Miller to play one at LD and the other in the press box half the time?
- sbroads24

We could look at it that way, but if Botts had that line of thinking we wouldn’t have made the move for Joker

I skimmed over that
- homiedclown

(frank)ing amateur hour.

It's not a be all end all, but there are enough question marks there that warrant a bridge deal.

Even if you think XG is nonsense and that teams should invest the same amount for PP scoring as anything else, we're still talking about a unit that overall wasn't very good.

Dahlin and Eichel set him up well, and his PP shooting percentage was top 30, which sounds impressive, until you see that Valteri Filppula's was higher.
- Michael Ghofrani

I just dont see a bridge deal being beneficial to the club when he's a proven 20 goal scorer as a rookie, who realistically could have gotten 30. Goals get contract dollars, and kicking the can down the road with a bridge deal isnt going to make it more affordable later. Quite the opposite

If you think that PP production is plug and play, then trade him for a center