miller was great because he was always at least average


- robz228

when did the nhl expand to 38 teams?

Good post
- jdfitz77

is good the new top 10?

is good the new top 10?
- homiedclown

Yes
15 would be average, right?

You literally just did Math in the post above😂😂

You’re better than this
Take the L sir

puppa was a top 5 goalie in the league at the time


if the sabres do not trade for fuhr, they could have competed for a trip to the finals that year
- homiedclown

Agreed, if they'd only had more confidence in Hasek. He might even have out dueled Roy in that second round series.

Yes
15 would be average, right?

You literally just did Math in the post above😂😂

You’re better than this
Take the L sir
- jdfitz77

lol

numbers do not lie


you average those numbers he is 14th or 15th during that era


not 8-10

lol

numbers do not lie


you average those numbers he is 14th or 15th during that era


not 8-10
- homiedclown

If save% is your end all be all,
then u need to reevaluate

Bc there’s A LOT of “average” goalies who have a good year here & there that bump them ahead of GOOD goalies based on that ONE STAT

It’s ludicrous

Hasek did not play well early that first year, and it's kind of what facilitated the trade for Fuhr. Fuhr didn't play well either unfortunately. Hasek's numbers improved as the season went on. Even Muckler wasn't completely sure what he had and gave Fuhr most if not all the starts in the playoffs. It wasn't until the following season when Fuhr got inured that they leaned on Hasek and he became the star netminder he'd become.
- DonLuce20

Thanks. Just to recap my original post said it’s a good thing they didn’t run him out of town his first year. That was my point but some posters thought otherwise.

If save% is your end all be all,
then u need to reevaluate

Bc there’s A LOT of “average” goalies who have a good year here & there that bump them ahead of GOOD goalies based on that ONE STAT

It’s ludicrous
- jdfitz77

the gaa numbers are worse

but PLEASE GO ON

05-06 miller 11th in gaa
http://www.espn.com/nhl/s...avgGoalsAgainst/year/2006


06-07 miller 20th in gaa
http://www.espn.com/nhl/s...avgGoalsAgainst/year/2007

07-08 miller was 24th in gaa
http://www.espn.com/nhl/s...avgGoalsAgainst/year/2008


08-09 miller was 18th in gaa
http://www.espn.com/nhl/s...avgGoalsAgainst/year/2009

10-11 miller was 21st in gaa
http://www.espn.com/nhl/s...avgGoalsAgainst/year/2011


11-12 miller was 23rd in gaa
http://www.espn.com/nhl/s...avgGoalsAgainst/year/2012

12-13 he was 34th
http://www.espn.com/nhl/s...avgGoalsAgainst/year/2013


so please explain how he was a top 10 goalie in his era

https://www.hockey-reference.com/leagues/NHL_1993_goalies.html#stats::save_pct

hasek 7th in league (goalies playing at least 4 games)


https://www.hockey-refere...lies.html#stats::save_pct

hasek 8th in league, goalies playing at least 4 game


better then fuhr


04.25.2009

Today @ 10:14 AM ET
Watching Hasek made me happy, sad, and excited all at the same time. Sucks we couldn't win the big one with that guy. He really was THE best player in hockey for a good 5 years. Buffaluck.
- Khmylev

Good thing Sabres fans ddnt run him out of town after his first year in Buffalo when he sucked.


you said hasek was lucky sabres kept him after this crappy first season as a sabre



but go on try to defend it
- homiedclown

I think you're wrong. Apology accepted

Thanks. Just to recap my original post said it’s a good thing they didn’t run him out of town his first year. That was my point but some posters thought otherwise.
- Camel

The fans weren't as cynical then as they are now. Muckler was a good coach and later as GM. Unfortunately he had Oiler vision in his dedication to Fuhr. Hasek might not have gotten them to the promised land, but he'd have probably given them a better chance. I think the injuries to Lafontaine and Mogilny probably would've derailed a cup run. We'd have probably beaten the Islanders but I'm not sure we'd match the firepower of the Gretzky led Kings. But with Hasek, who knows?

I think you're wrong. Apology accepted
- Camel

- homiedclown

You are forgiven now let’s move to another topic. Some say making the playoffs isn’t an achievement just to lose in the first round of playoffs. I say even getting close to the playoffs in today’s NHL is significant. The parody is better than any other major sports league and any team in can win

You are forgiven now let’s move to another topic. Some say making the playoffs isn’t an achievement just to lose in the first round of playoffs. I say even getting close to the playoffs in today’s NHL is significant. The parody is better than any other major sports league and any team in can win
- Camel

this team should have been competing for the playoffs this season

as for sports in general

I thought the titans would beat the pats and had a real shot vs the ravens

I knew they had no chance vs the chiefs


I think the last few teams that sneak in the playoffs have a much better shot to win it all in hockey vs the other sports

mostly because 1 or 2 shifts can change the momentum of a series

the gaa numbers are worse

but PLEASE GO ON
- homiedclown

Goals against is a TEAM STAT
You’re really showing lack of good reasoning here Homie

05-06 miller 11th in gaa
http://www.espn.com/nhl/s...avgGoalsAgainst/year/2006


06-07 miller 20th in gaa
http://www.espn.com/nhl/s...avgGoalsAgainst/year/2007

07-08 miller was 24th in gaa
http://www.espn.com/nhl/s...avgGoalsAgainst/year/2008


08-09 miller was 18th in gaa
http://www.espn.com/nhl/s...avgGoalsAgainst/year/2009

10-11 miller was 21st in gaa
http://www.espn.com/nhl/s...avgGoalsAgainst/year/2011


11-12 miller was 23rd in gaa
http://www.espn.com/nhl/s...avgGoalsAgainst/year/2012

12-13 he was 34th
http://www.espn.com/nhl/s...avgGoalsAgainst/year/2013


so please explain how he was a top 10 goalie in his era
- homiedclown

07-08
Osgood, Gigure, Nabakov
better than
Hasek, Brodeur, Lundqvist

Enough said
You’re really making yourself look bad here

I won’t waste any more time with further examples
U can find stuff like that every single season

Goals against is a TEAM STAT
You’re really showing lack of good reasoning here Homie
- jdfitz77

you are literally saying miller was 8-10th best goalie in his era as a sabre


none of the stats back it up


not the gaa
not the save %
not the number of playoff wins
not the number of stanley cups


maybe the amount of money he made in commercials, because he was american


if his name was Sebastian Stefaniszin instead of Ryan Miller, he would not be in the top 8 to 10 for commercial money made either

07-08
Osgood, Gigure, Nabakov
better than
Hasek, Brodeur, Lundqvist

Enough said
You’re really making yourself look bad here

I won’t waste any more time with further examples
U can find stuff like that every single season
- jdfitz77

you can't find ANY season where Miller was in the top 8 though other then his vezina year

you can't find ANY season where Miller was in the top 8 though other then his vezina year
- homiedclown

I don’t have to
I’ve already proved that your logic is flawed and that’s not an accurate way to determine who is better than one another

Yikes

I don’t have to
I’ve already proved that your logic is flawed and that’s not an accurate way to determine who is better than one another
- jdfitz77

no you didn't

his vezina year was an outlier


Outlier. ... A value that "lies outside" (is much smaller or larger than) most of the other values in a set of data. For example in the scores 25,29,3,32,85,33,27,28 both 3 and 85 are "outliers". Outliers.

Welp will see if cam goes to the Patriots in 30 mins

no you didn't

his vezina year was an outlier


Outlier. ... A value that "lies outside" (is much smaller or larger than) most of the other values in a set of data. For example in the scores 25,29,3,32,85,33,27,28 both 3 and 85 are "outliers". Outliers.
- homiedclown

Yes, i did

Chris Mason was not better than Luongo
Gigure wasn’t better than Lundqvist
Osgood wasn’t better than Brodeur

Your bubblegum stats show the exact opposite you are trying to prove

Welp will see if cam goes to the Patriots in 30 mins
- gerbe75pts

Why 30min?