And yet

You insist on talking about me

It sounds to me like discussing the job Botterill has done is a little too sensitive for you
- jcragcrumple

Nope
Just don’t need the over exaggeration from you AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN

Just spare us the same bs we’ve already heard from you over & over
Thanks

I think rhd/lhd is over-emphasized here. Yes I get it it's ideal to have 3 and 3 but plenty of NHL teams go unbalanced.

Miller was not very good early in the year. Anyone who disagrees can go watch replays from early in the season.
- Michael Pachla

^Yep. All of this

Nope
Just don’t need the over exaggeration from you AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN

Just spare us the same bs we’ve already heard from you over & over
Thanks
- jdfitz77

And as usual, you come into a civil and fun conversation and start screaming in all caps haikus that I should leave britney alone

Well this got hairy quick.

Well this got hairy quick.
- Buff36

That's alright. I'm out before the Corona trump talk starts


This was a nice distraction while it lasted

I’d much rather talk about hockey
Just not have to listen to your over exaggerated whining about Botts

Why are u reading the Sens blog anyways?
Who gives a sh!t about them?!
Do u read all the teams blogs?
- jdfitz77

The Sens blogger literally titled his blog about a trade with Buffalo.

I'm not talking about money - I'm talking about having 4 NHL caliber RD. That's not how you build a roster. It's a flawed design.

Every team has injuries - that doesn't excuse the way it was built.

They knew they would have Dahlin, Scandella and McCabe on the left, with Montour, Joker, Risto and Miller on the right within a month of the opener - with DJ Bogo on the horizon.

We all saw the log jam coming from a mile away. It's like nothing gets done with this organization until there's a genuine crisis in terms of a trade request or something similar. 8d, 2 centers and a bunch of wingers playing their off side or at center.

The construction was an absolute mess
- jcragcrumple

So he shouldn’t have traded for Jokiharju then??
Or he should’ve accepted a bad offer for Risto?

Good grief
We’ve been over all this a hundred times
And that’s probably not much of an exaggeration

The Sens blogger literally titled his blog about a trade with Buffalo.
- buffalofan19

Oh, well then it has validity (lol)

Fair enough, i didn’t realize that
But i could care less what the hockeybuzz blogger for Ottawa thinks about our GM
Pointless

who was the last team to have a superstar miss the playoffs in his first five seasons before eichel

this team is a f@cking joke
- homiedclown

Sure, and if your greatest accomplishment is a first round playoff exit every year then was it really a success ?

Expectations rise with team success, why do you think I’d rather pick top 10 then lose in the first round ?

Sooner or later the same people crying about the playoff drought will be the same ones crying about how we don’t have any banners and getting pissed off with first and second round playoff exits.

If you as a Bills can vividly remember the loss to the Texans a few years from now then Beane would have failed. How many more times can the Bills make the playoffs before you get angry that you don’t at least make an AFC Championship game ?

I could care less about the participation medal.

Homie, I think you have a new contestant for dumbest post of 2020.
- adambuffalo

I got nothing

Hasek outplayed Fuhr his first year as a sabre

Hasek was a top 8 goalie in the NHL that year, Fuhr was letting in goals from outside the blue line


my coronavirus resolution starting right now, is to stop responding to dummies


seriously some of the posters here only know how to look at the back of a bubble gum card

they were 7th in the league the last 2 years in points

they had a window
- homiedclown

You know what could have extended that window ?

If the Leafs traded JVR and Bozak 1-2 years out before and got prospects and futures so they wouldn’t of had to go to the edges of Siberia to find European free agents to stink up their bottom 6.

But, but, but they made the playoffs and lost to a Washington. That would be celebrated here though. Go ask a Leafs fan about that series now and I bet none of them care anymore ? Why ? Because it’s irrelevant.

I bet another top 15 pick and more prospects and futures would have helped the Leafs more today then losing to Washington.

Now do I have to start talking about what Columbus could have built if they dealt Panarin and Bob instead of going all in ? Read the above all over again.

He might not have been a top5 goalie
But he was top10
Saying he was 12-20 is a joke
- jdfitz77

2005-06 11th in save %
http://www.espn.com/nhl/s...avgGoalsAgainst/year/2006

2006-07 15th
http://www.espn.com/nhl/s...ng/sort/savePct/year/2007

2007-08 29th
http://www.espn.com/nhl/s...ng/sort/savePct/year/2008


2008-08 8th
http://www.espn.com/nhl/s...ng/sort/savePct/year/2009


2010-11 17th
http://www.espn.com/nhl/s...ng/sort/savePct/year/2011


2011-12 19th
http://www.espn.com/nhl/s...ng/sort/savePct/year/2012

2012-13 19th
http://www.espn.com/nhl/s...ng/sort/savePct/year/2013


2014-15 19th
http://www.espn.com/nhl/s...ng/sort/savePct/year/2014


anything but top 10 goalie

1-Dahlin
2-Scandella
3-McCabe
4-Pilut..... injures to start the season
5-Gilmour..... lolololololol
6-Risto
7-Montour..... hurt time start the season
8-Miller
9-Joker
10-Bogo..... really??
11-Nelson..... lolololololol
12-Borgen..... not ready

We can debate Gilmour and Borgen all day now, yet in Training Camp those 2 looked decent..especially for 7th or 8th.

Point is, when you typically play 6 in 95% of the games, having 10 is too many.

Also, LWs before we go there
1-Olofsson
2-Skinner
3-Mojo..... plays both wings & came in as a center
4-Sheary..... plays both wings
5-Vesey..... plays both wings
6-Girgenson..... plays all 3 forward spots

- IonSabres

In summation...

Defense
-we had 6 healthy defensemen to start the season that we’d actually want playing night in, night out
*and that’s IF you count Scandella, who was coming off a really bad season, AND 20yr old Jokiharju who we didn’t “know” would be able to perform nightly in the NHL

So no
We really shouldn’t have traded 2 defensemen before the season started like J Crag ridiculously thinks
And once the season started, most teams didn’t have Cap Room to make moves to take the garbage defensemen that he apparently thinks ppl would’ve wanted

Left Wings
The only exclusive LWs were Skinner & Olofsson
And even both of them have played RW before,
but not much so i won’t argue them
As for the rest...
versatility is a GOOD thing
Not sure why u don’t recognize that?

2005-06 11th in save %
http://www.espn.com/nhl/s...avgGoalsAgainst/year/2006

2006-07 15th
http://www.espn.com/nhl/s...ng/sort/savePct/year/2007

2007-08 29th
http://www.espn.com/nhl/s...ng/sort/savePct/year/2008


2008-08 8th
http://www.espn.com/nhl/s...ng/sort/savePct/year/2009


2010-11 17th
http://www.espn.com/nhl/s...ng/sort/savePct/year/2011


2011-12 19th
http://www.espn.com/nhl/s...ng/sort/savePct/year/2012

2012-13 19th
http://www.espn.com/nhl/s...ng/sort/savePct/year/2013


2014-15 19th
http://www.espn.com/nhl/s...ng/sort/savePct/year/2014


anything but top 10 goalie
- homiedclown

Right after u accuse posters of only looking at the back of a bubble gum card

You just did EXACTLY that

Right after u accuse posters of only looking at the back of a bubble gum card

You just did EXACTLY that
- jdfitz77

he was comparing hasek's first year as a sabre stats, to his other years

I am comparing miller's numbers to his peers, every year


looking at his numbers compared to the other starters, CARE TO CHANGE YOUR STANCE

clearly not a top ten goalie during those years

sorry I do not own Ryan Miller underoos

he was comparing hasek's first year as a sabre stats, to his other years

I am comparing miller's numbers to his peers, every year


looking at his numbers compared to the other starters, CARE TO CHANGE YOUR STANCE

clearly not a top ten goalie during those years

sorry I do not own Ryan Miller underoos
- homiedclown

Neither do i

U went right to save% for your evidence
That’s looking at the back of the bubblegum card,
NOT taking into account that we played a system that allowed a lot of good scoring opportunities

miller was great because he was always at least average

most goalies are super up and down

I got nothing

Hasek outplayed Fuhr his first year as a sabre

Hasek was a top 8 goalie in the NHL that year, Fuhr was letting in goals from outside the blue line


my coronavirus resolution starting right now, is to stop responding to dummies


seriously some of the posters here only know how to look at the back of a bubble gum card
- homiedclown

Haha. you can call me a dummie all you want and never respond to me but obviously the truth is hurting you. Just so I know again you are talking about 1992-93. Look again and have a buddy get back to me so you don’t have to waste your time

Neither do i

U went right to save% for your evidence
That’s looking at the back of the bubblegum card,
NOT taking into account that we played a system that allowed a lot of good scoring opportunities
- jdfitz77

lol

maybe you need to look at cards

it's gp
wins
losses
gaa
save%



doesn't say where they rank




when his average year is 16th in GAA and 16th in save %


he is not a top 8 or 10 goalie outside of western new york


he was outstanding for 2/3 of 1 season


average every other year


he had a long career, which makes him over valued in the eyes of sabres fans under 45


reality, bob sauve, don edwards, and tom barasso were better goalies

I got nothing

Hasek outplayed Fuhr his first year as a sabre

Hasek was a top 8 goalie in the NHL that year, Fuhr was letting in goals from outside the blue line


my coronavirus resolution starting right now, is to stop responding to dummies


seriously some of the posters here only know how to look at the back of a bubble gum card
- homiedclown

Hasek did not play well early that first year, and it's kind of what facilitated the trade for Fuhr. Fuhr didn't play well either unfortunately. Hasek's numbers improved as the season went on. Even Muckler wasn't completely sure what he had and gave Fuhr most if not all the starts in the playoffs. It wasn't until the following season when Fuhr got inured that they leaned on Hasek and he became the star netminder he'd become.

miller was great because he was always at least average

most goalies are super up and down
- robz228

Nope
Huet & Lehtonen & Vokoun & Mason & Dipietro & Hedberg &.... nvmd....
I’m not wasting anymore of my time looking up guys who had a better save% than Miller as evidence

A lot of those guys had better save% than all time great goalies some of those years too

But sure...
Chris Mason playing 40games with Nashville’s style of play & great defense was actually a top5 goalie

Absolutely laughable

Hasek was a great goaltender, possibly the greatest of all time.

Miller was a good goaltender who had a couple of great years.

Haha. you can call me a dummie all you want and never respond to me but obviously the truth is hurting you. Just so I know again you are talking about 1992-93. Look again and have a buddy get back to me so you don’t have to waste your time
- Camel

https://www.hockey-refere...lies.html#stats::save_pct

hasek 7th in league (goalies playing at least 4 games)


https://www.hockey-refere...lies.html#stats::save_pct

hasek 8th in league, goalies playing at least 4 game


better then fuhr



you said hasek was lucky sabres kept him after this crappy first season as a sabre



but go on try to defend it

Hasek did not play well early that first year, and it's kind of what facilitated the trade for Fuhr. Fuhr didn't play well either unfortunately. Hasek's numbers improved as the season went on. Even Muckler wasn't completely sure what he had and gave Fuhr most if not all the starts in the playoffs. It wasn't until the following season when Fuhr got inured that they leaned on Hasek and he became the star netminder he'd become.
- DonLuce20

puppa was a top 5 goalie in the league at the time


if the sabres do not trade for fuhr, they could have competed for a trip to the finals that year

Hasek was a great goaltender, possibly the greatest of all time.

Miller was a good goaltender who had a couple of great years.
- buffalofan19

Good post