There are maybe 2 teams that can do that. It puts incredible strain on your system to produce players that can keep up a high level every couple of years. What happens when you draft poorly for 2 years? You're (frank)ed.
- Wetbandit1

Not to mention there will be no market for the 24 year old non-star so who is going to give up picks for them.

Based upon what, exactly?
- Michael Pachla

Larsson would win a Selkie if he had any offensive production what so ever. He’s as good defensively as O’Reilly and Couts.

There are maybe 2 teams that can do that. It puts incredible strain on your system to produce players that can keep up a high level every couple of years. What happens when you draft poorly for 2 years? You're (frank)ed.
- Wetbandit1

If you draft poorly in general you’re franked.

If you draft poorly in general you’re franked.
- Pegullaville

Well draft poorly and trade the rest away. The Sabres know that.

FALSE
He’s on their 2nd unit
Get 1:18 average icetime per game
- jdfitz77

I’d take that production from a bottom 6 cost controlled forward playing on the 2nd PP any day of the week.

Roslovic would have been great here, same with Compher.

For the record I don’t doubt Olofsson will get better. And I don’t think he’s a bad player at all. He’s decent and obviously skilled.

But I just want another year to see how much he develops

I think Gus is more important than Larry
- Michael Pachla

I will respectively disagree. Girgs is a negative impact offensive player who is shooting at an unsustainable shooting %. Once he comes back down to earth he’ll just be an overpaid 4th liner who we can easily replace.

Larsson being inept offensively is actually better for us because we could lock him up for $2M to be one of the best shut down forwards in the league and take the pressure of other lines (that being if he’d even want to resign here)

For the record I don’t doubt Olofsson will get better. And I don’t think he’s a bad player at all. He’s decent and obviously skilled.

But I just want another year to see how much he develops
- sbroads24

Olofsson turned a corner in December, he was very poor the first few months 5v5 and that has an impact on his full year contributions.

I think he will be an effective middle 6 winger who can tee off on the PP.

OK first off, I've been a Star Wars fan ever since I was an 11 1/2 year old in May of '77 (saw it 14 times in the theater back then !). Finally just watched The Rise of Skywalker :

That was pretty effing awesome. Fantastic.

OK first off, I've been a Star Wars fan ever since I was an 11 1/2 year old in May of '77 (saw it 14 times in the theater back then !). Finally just watched The Rise of Skywalker :

That was pretty effing awesome. Fantastic.
- kritter65

I watched it weeks ago at NorthPark Theatre and thought it sucked but I'm glad you liked it. I am no Star Wars junky though.

Olofsson turned a corner in December, he was very poor the first few months 5v5 and that has an impact on his full year contributions.

I think he will be an effective middle 6 winger who can tee off on the PP.
- Pegullaville

Hope you hit that inverse ETF hard. Futures are "limit down" as soon as they opened.

We shall see, I would much rather have Larsson back, don't care if Girgs does. We have guys that can take his place.
- Buff36

You THINK we have guys that can take his place
Larsson & Girgs have worked very well together
There’s no telling what removing one of them will do to the effectiveness of that line
And since it’s a VERY important role
And they aren’t gonna cost much
I can’t see any reason at all why anyone would wanna take the chance

Hope you hit that inverse ETF hard. Futures are "limit down" as soon as they opened.
- Wetbandit1

Yes sir I did, bought it on Thursday and have held it through till now.

I’d take that production from a bottom 6 cost controlled forward playing on the 2nd PP any day of the week.

Roslovic would have been great here, same with Compher.
- Pegullaville

Meh
We have plenty of bottom6 guys

Roslovic doesn’t produce nearly enough offensively to try to trade assets for him

OK first off, I've been a Star Wars fan ever since I was an 11 1/2 year old in May of '77 (saw it 14 times in the theater back then !). Finally just watched The Rise of Skywalker :

That was pretty effing awesome. Fantastic.
- kritter65

What took so long????
And how on earth did u avoid spoilers?!

I like Larsson and thought he was getting the shaft a bit here but anyone who says they would take him over Olofsson probably needs to get out a bit more but just not among others, that would be a bad idea too.

I like Larsson and thought he was getting the shaft a bit here but anyone who says they would take him over Olofsson probably needs to get out a bit more but just not among others, that would be a bad idea too.
- GilPerreault11

There is a difference between having a group of collective individually skilled players (Toronto), and having a team (St.Louis).

How many games would the Bills have won this year if they didn’t field a top 5 defence ? Now the Bills defence may not have contributed many points but they shut teams down so their offence could score 17 PPG and win 10 games.

Larsson defends at a high rate. Larsson shuts down other teams top lines. Why nobody sees the importance of this just because he can’t produce with Girgensons who is probably the worst forward in the o-zone in the entire NHL blows my mind.

Would it be nice for Larsson to produce more offensively ? Absolutely. However as a 3/4C he would be fantastic here. Heck if you would have left Skinner and Larsson together the whole year Skinner would have had better production cause it seemed like Johan was the only one he was gelling with.

What took so long????
And how on earth did u avoid spoilers?!
- jdfitz77

I realize the truly important things in life and spend my money on those things instead. Also, been very busy with work and family and just didn't have the time. It took a fricken pandemic for me to finally view this one.

And I stopped watching movie trailers decades ago. They show way too much and ruin everything. Also, I don't do the social media, therefore I avoid the spoilers that way as well.

(Yet a couple more reasons why I'm better than everyone else).

There is a difference between having a group of collective individually skilled players (Toronto), and having a team (St.Louis).

How many games would the Bills have won this year if they didn’t field a top 5 defence ? Now the Bills defence may not have contributed many points but they shut teams down so their offence could score 17 PPG and win 10 games.

Larsson defends at a high rate. Larsson shuts down other teams top lines. Why nobody sees the importance of this just because he can’t produce with Girgensons who is probably the worst forward in the o-zone in the entire NHL blows my mind.

Would it be nice for Larsson to produce more offensively ? Absolutely. However as a 3/4C he would be fantastic here. Heck if you would have left Skinner and Larsson together the whole year Skinner would have had better production cause it seemed like Johan was the only one he was gelling with.
- Pegullaville

A solid 4 center who plays both sides of the rink is easier to find via trade, FA than a snper who sees the ice and finishes. This team doesn't finish, they need finishers.

Larsson defends at a high rate. Larsson shuts down other teams top lines. Why nobody sees the importance of this just because he can’t produce with Girgensons who is probably the worst forward in the o-zone in the entire NHL blows my mind.

- Pegullaville

You do realize that Girgs has outscored Larsson every single year in their careers, right?
Just because your football team is hoping an XFL quarterback can give them some relevance doesn't mean you have to bring your bad hockey takes here.

There is a difference between having a group of collective individually skilled players (Toronto), and having a team (St.Louis).

How many games would the Bills have won this year if they didn’t field a top 5 defence ? Now the Bills defence may not have contributed many points but they shut teams down so their offence could score 17 PPG and win 10 games.

Larsson defends at a high rate. Larsson shuts down other teams top lines. Why nobody sees the importance of this just because he can’t produce with Girgensons who is probably the worst forward in the o-zone in the entire NHL blows my mind.

Would it be nice for Larsson to produce more offensively ? Absolutely. However as a 3/4C he would be fantastic here. Heck if you would have left Skinner and Larsson together the whole year Skinner would have had better production cause it seemed like Johan was the only one he was gelling with.
- Pegullaville

You are mistaken if you believe people don't recognize his defensive efforts. The vast majority do.
The issue is value for those services. They are very valuable especially when you can pop in 40, 50, 60, 70 pts, like ROR for example. At 20 pts, it is very much less valuable.
You know this.

Specific to the Sabres, when you have a $6m 4th liner, unfortunately the roster needs to compensate accordingly to become Caop Compliant.
People scoff at $1m here, but when it becomes over payments at several positions where the value over replacement is little, it then adds up to cost you a better player up the lineup.

If the Cap stats at $81m or so, then unfortunately Larsson and Girgs Cap goes the same as it us now

You are mistaken if you believe people don't recognize his defensive efforts. The vast majority do.
The issue is value for those services. They are very valuable especially when you can pop in 40, 50, 60, 70 pts, like ROR for example. At 20 pts, it is very much less valuable.
You know this.

Specific to the Sabres, when you have a $6m 4th liner, unfortunately the roster needs to compensate accordingly to become Caop Compliant.
People scoff at $1m here, but when it becomes over payments at several positions where the value over replacement is little, it then adds up to cost you a better player up the lineup.

If the Cap stats at $81m or so, then unfortunately Larsson and Girgs Cap goes the same as it us now
- IonSabres

You realize you’re having a conversation about marginal revenue with the guy who has cried about the Skinner deal 3 months before it was even signed right ?

Every player has a value. If Larsson wants term and big dollars then let him walk, I could say the same thing about 95% of this roster.

Larry at a proper cap hit though provides a huge value to the composition of the “team”.

OK first off, I've been a Star Wars fan ever since I was an 11 1/2 year old in May of '77 (saw it 14 times in the theater back then !). Finally just watched The Rise of Skywalker :

That was pretty effing awesome. Fantastic.
- kritter65

it was so much better then the force awakens


and last jedi flat out sucked


I have rise of skywalker either 5th or 6th in my ranking depending on my mode for attack of the clones


I am doing my rankings on the 9 star wars movies as I have rogue one better then most of the 9 and solo somewhere around the rise of skywalker

I can see it now

Eichel's agent, we want 10 mil a year

Botts, we can only give you 9 mil a year because you were picked second overall, not first


Eichel's agent, f@ck you trade him now

You do realize that Girgs has outscored Larsson every single year in their careers, right?
Just because your football team is hoping an XFL quarterback can give them some relevance doesn't mean you have to bring your bad hockey takes here.
- adambuffalo

Drew Lock played in the XFL ? The Broncos aren’t relevant ? We’ve been to 2 Super Bowls (winning 1) in the last 8 seasons.

The Broncos are far from irrelevant. We won a playoff game with Tim Tebow at QB for crying out loud.

Girgensons is a replacement level bottom 6 forward, Larsson can be replaced as well but if I’d pick between the 2 I take the shutdown Center.

I know people are incapable of having foresight on these threads and need to see things happen before they realize it (just like this virus that I’m about to pocket another $5-7K on tomorrow) but what is your grand idea to take over all of the defensive minutes that line plays ? I’m all ears.

If the Sabres had two dependable scoring lines with the GLO line shutting it down defensively everyone would finally see the value of having a Johan Larsson.