I feel like Larsson is one of those players people either really like or really don't. Been that way for a while now
- Michael Ghofrani

I think ppl that can’t see how good they’ve been playing just can’t get over their impressions of how bad they were in the top6 for a few years after we traded everyone away

Now that they’ve found the right role for these 2,
they’ve become solid 3rd liners

And would be very good 4th liners once we can add enough depth scoring to push their minutes down a little

For poops and giggles let’s say Olofsson is slightly more valuable than Larsson.

We would cringe at giving Larsson 3.5, but Olofsson please take 5 mil now.

And I’m the ridiculous one?

Are we paying for value or because his shot is pretty?
- sbroads24

What in the hell do you value? Really? Im being serious

You cant just find rookies regardless of age and plug them in to score 42pts in 52g. Please if you know of them forward it to botterill

There are good 4th liners all over the league and most will make less than larssons next contract

For poops and giggles let’s say Olofsson is slightly more valuable than Larsson.

We would cringe at giving Larsson 3.5, but Olofsson please take 5 mil now.

And I’m the ridiculous one?

Are we paying for value or because his shot is pretty?
- sbroads24

So a 4th line center who was on pace for 7 goals, which would be second high in his career (10,) is more important than a 20-goal scorer (in 54 games) on a team that needs goal scoring?

For poops and giggles let’s say Olofsson is slightly more valuable than Larsson.

We would cringe at giving Larsson 3.5, but Olofsson please take 5 mil now.

And I’m the ridiculous one?

Are we paying for value or because his shot is pretty?
- sbroads24

I think you’re looking at it the wrong way
I’ve been saying Larsson & Girgs could be good players since 99% of the ppl here have been saying they should be in the minors

But when it comes to paying guys...
GOALS are what gets you PAID,
not solid (or even good) defensive play

That doesn’t diminish their actual on ice value,
which is what i believe you’re talking about
It’s just different value than determining Cap hit

I think ppl that can’t see how good they’ve been playing just can’t get over their impressions of how bad they were in the top6 for a few years after we traded everyone away

Now that they’ve found the right role for these 2,
they’ve become solid 3rd liners

And would be very good 4th liners once we can add enough depth scoring to push their minutes down a little
- jdfitz77

Good post, unfortunately don't think Larsson will be back, don't think he wants to be here anymore and that's unfortunate, cause we need players like him and Girgs on this team.

So a 4th line center who was on pace for 7 goals, which would be second high in his career (10,) is more important than a 20-goal scorer (in 54 games) on a team that needs goal scoring?
- Michael Pachla

They both play important roles

Difference is:
goal scoring roles get paid more than strong defensive roles

There’s really no need for u guys to compare them
They’re BOTH (& Girgs) important players for us

So a 4th line center who was on pace for 7 goals, which would be second high in his career (10,) is more important than a 20-goal scorer (in 54 games) on a team that needs goal scoring?
- Michael Pachla

Larsson played like a good 3rd line center.

Olofsson (at 5 on 5) played like an average 3rd line winger

I’ll take the center who’s way better defensively over the PP specialist

Good post, unfortunately don't think Larsson will be back, don't think he wants to be here anymore and that's unfortunate, cause we need players like him and Girgs on this team.
- Buff36

Lazar can fill that role. And he has a better faceoff%

Good post, unfortunately don't think Larsson will be back, don't think he wants to be here anymore and that's unfortunate, cause we need players like him and Girgs on this team.
- Buff36

Based on what?

Larsson played like a good 3rd line center.

Olofsson (at 5 on 5) played like an average 3rd line winger

I’ll take the center who’s way better defensively over the PP specialist
- sbroads24

Can’t we have both?
Why is it 1 or the other?

analytics are just numbers. subjective is the analysis of it. its why the eye test takes so much heat. Because it's all subjective
- Michael Ghofrani

Corsi is just a number. Fenwick goes a bit further, throwing out events deemed 'not important', so it's already starting to become subjective. GAR/WAR is an aggregate stat that some guy made up with numbers he thought were important and combined into one stat for something that's incredibly subjective.

Larsson played like a good 3rd line center.

Olofsson (at 5 on 5) played like an average 3rd line winger

I’ll take the center who’s way better defensively over the PP specialist
- sbroads24

Larsson did not play well in a role higher than the 4th line. He, Gus and Okposo made a great 4th line
Nothing more. Nothing less

Larsson did not play well in a role higher than the 4th line. He, Gus and Okposo made a great 4th line
Nothing more. Nothing less
- Michael Pachla

They had two guys on that line on pace for 15 goals. The other was one of the better shut down centers in hockey

They played 15 min a night

That’s a 3rd line

For poops and giggles let’s say Olofsson is slightly more valuable than Larsson.

We would cringe at giving Larsson 3.5, but Olofsson please take 5 mil now.

And I’m the ridiculous one?

Are we paying for value or because his shot is pretty?
- sbroads24

There is absolutely no way I would pay Larry, or Gus anything over $2M per.

Yes, they are really good 4th liners...really good. Their value over Lazar is minimal however. Before you jump down my throat, let's give Lazar a year to adjust to playing a shut down role...I truly don't believe you will see a big difference worthy of overpaying by $1.5m or 75%.

Based on what?
- jdfitz77

There were rumors last year just before he signed that he wanted to go back to Sweden, now that he's a UFA, there's nothing stopping him.

Larsson did not play well in a role higher than the 4th line. He, Gus and Okposo made a great 4th line
Nothing more. Nothing less
- Michael Pachla

Their role was more than just as a “4th line” though

They started a vast majority of the time in our own end against other teams top offensive players and routinely flipped the ice

That’s extremely valuable
Not just bc of the job they do defensively
But also bc it frees up more talented offensive players to be “scorers”

Just need to find a few more guys that can put the puck in the net

They had two guys on that line on pace for 15 goals. The other was one of the better shut down centers in hockey

They played 15 min a night

That’s a 3rd line
- sbroads24

Is it easier to play a defensive role or to score goals?

Lazar can fill that role. And he has a better faceoff%
- Michael Pachla

What gives you any idea that Lazar can fill Larsson roll, he has never done it before.

Their role was more than just as a “4th line” though

They started a vast majority of the time in our own end against other teams top offensive players and routinely flipped the ice

That’s extremely valuable
Not just bc of the job they do defensively
But also bc it frees up more talented offensive players to be “scorers”

Just need to find a few more guys that can put the puck in the net
- jdfitz77

Am well aware of what their role is.

Seven years ago we had a team full of defensive players who could shut down opposing players. What they couldn't do was score goals.

Sabres need middle-six scoring and now a bottom-six, defensive center is more important than a 20-plus goal scorer?

Thank God my phone needs re-charging.

Peace

There were rumors last year just before he signed that he wanted to go back to Sweden, now that he's a UFA, there's nothing stopping him.
- Buff36

Not every guy that was once unhappy with his role will bolt back to Europe for less $$$ when they get the chance...
Most actually don’t

And with everything going on now,
a lot of those Euro teams aren’t in good shape at all financially

I’m not worried at all
And with the salary Cap likely not going up,
we aren’t gonna have to pay him & Girgs like many (i thought) were over projecting
We might get them signed at a very minimal raise even

Am well aware of what their role is.

Seven years ago we had a team full of defensive players who could shut down opposing players. What they couldn't do was score goals.

Sabres need middle-six scoring and now a bottom-six center is more important than a 20-plus goal scorer?

Thank God my phone needs re-charging.

Peace
- Michael Pachla

I would take both at the right price.

There is absolutely no way I would pay Larry, or Gus anything over $2M per.

Yes, they are really good 4th liners...really good. Their value over Lazar is minimal however. Before you jump down my throat, let's give Lazar a year to adjust to playing a shut down role...I truly don't believe you will see a big difference worthy of overpaying by $1.5m or 75%.
- IonSabres

I doubt we’d have to
Cap isn’t gonna go up now

Not every guy that was once unhappy with his role will bolt back to Europe for less $$$ when they get the chance...
Most actually don’t

And with everything going on now,
a lot of those Euro teams aren’t in good shape at all financially

I’m not worried at all
And with the salary Cap likely not going up,
we aren’t gonna have to pay him & Girgs like many (i thought) were over projecting
We might get them signed at a very minimal raise even
- jdfitz77

We shall see, I would much rather have Larsson back, don't care if Girgs does. We have guys that can take his place.

For poops and giggles let’s say Olofsson is slightly more valuable than Larsson.

We would cringe at giving Larsson 3.5, but Olofsson please take 5 mil now.

And I’m the ridiculous one?

Are we paying for value or because his shot is pretty?
- sbroads24

Yes.

Or bridge then trade.

To me this is the future of the NHL. Squeeze everything out of you can out of surrounding players until they start asking for a salary in relation to their performance then trade them for future or prospects and start the cycle again.

Any Sabre not named Eichel, Dahlin, Cozens, Joker can kick rocks after the next 2-3 years for all I care. Reduce, reuse, recycle
- Pegullaville

There are maybe 2 teams that can do that. It puts incredible strain on your system to produce players that can keep up a high level every couple of years. What happens when you draft poorly for 2 years? You're (frank)ed.