You’re one of the leaf fans who argued for years that karlsson didn’t deserve his Norris trophies cuz he didn’t play on the PK.
- sensarmy_11

Trust me I am not one of those Leaf fans. I loved Karlsson and defended him.

Caught me with my stupid tolerance at zero.

If the regular season ended today Leon Draisaitl should run away with this trophy.

Should.

I realize Eastern Media is (frank)ing retarded and hates the Oilers. Even a close vote will confirm the ridiculous bias or pure ignorance against the Oilers and Leon Draisaitl.
- Aerchon

It starts and ends with Draisaitl, there needs to be a balance between advanced stats and actually watching a game. Draisaitl dominates , chance to score every shift. There is nothing close to an MVP on the lifeless leafs who play .500 hockey and no one says a peep on the bench. They are an embarrassment. MacKinnon is alright as well and pretty incredible how Panarin is keeping the Rangers where they are.

It starts and ends with Draisaitl, there needs to be a balance between advanced stats and actually watching a game. Draisaitl dominates , chance to score every shift. There is nothing close to an MVP on the lifeless leafs who play .500 hockey and no one says a peep on the bench. They are an embarrassment. MacKinnon is alright as well and pretty incredible how Panarin is keeping the Rangers where they are.
- ClaudeFather

That's a ringing endorsement if I ever heard one.

Draisaitl gets a lot of points on that potent power-play. But how good is he 5 vs 5?
He doesn't hit or block shots, and on a "playoff team" is -7.
Not sure how you think it's such a lock.

Sorry guys, Matthews is not even in the top 5 best 2-way centers... He's sick, he's a dynamo offensively, but to say he's the best 2-way in the league? I need to be smoking what guys are, hook a brother up! Hands-DOWN Sean Couturier is a better 2-way, Bergeron, Kopitar, Tavares, Horvat, I could name 5 more easily...

Matthews doesn't even play many PK minutes? If you watch the games, he even visually doesn't play at the defensive acumen the centers' I mentioned?
- Flyers_V88

I see a pile of Leaf games. And although I agree with that comment, Matthews is NOT at the defensive level as Bergeron, Couturier, Kopitar....he IS getting much better. And the last 8-10 games before the shut-down I saw several plays where Matthews did things he didn't do earlier in the year, or at all last year in the backcheck and using his body. He is improving....but NO....he is not yet near the class of the top 5-10 defensive forwards. (But, man...he has some release.). A Top 5 center overall in the league. NOT a Top 3 for MVP this year.
1. MacKinnon
2. Draisaitl
3. Panarin

Leon Draisaitl is the MVP by a mile. He has 10 game winning goals. Nathan MacKinnon has 4. LD has a face off percentage of 52.1%, while NK only has 43.1%. LD also has more points 5 on 5 as well as on the power play, than NM. The only flaw against LD is his plus/minus and if you took all the short handed goals the Oilers had scored against them as well as empty net goals that were also scored against them, his plus/minus would look a lot better. The only other player that should be in the conversation is Artimi Panarin, but being that he is a winger as well as being on a non playoff team which essentially in today's NHL makes you ineligible to win the Hart.

I fail to see the merit in any argument for anyone but Mackinnon, Panarin, or Draisaitl. .
- MaximumBone

Carlson

Carlson
- homiedclown

naw

HockeyBuzz Hotstove: Who should win the Hart Trophy?
- ToddCordellVAN

Eklund

It’s gotta be Panarin or Draisaitl at this point

As you've requested, among his PEERS (900mins at 5-on-5 and above), he ranks as follows:

CF: 16th
GF: 17th
xGF: 9th
relGF: 11th
relxGF: 14th

Stats.
- MaximumBone

I think by peers he meant the top ten players. How does Draisaitl compare?

I think by peers he meant the top ten players. How does Draisaitl compare?
- shack67

So shrink the field to 10 players and he'll rank higher? Ya don't say.

The point is he doesn't have the best Corsi, the best xGF or the best GF- all claims asserted by the resident "stats guy". To answer your question, though, he's still behind Mackinnon, Panarin, Pastrnak and Marchand to differing degrees across each of those stats.

Draisaitl's goal share stats are hindered due to a string of HORRENDOUS luck and poor play from December when he had 3 EV strength point (and 11PPP) and was like -24. That's not a month that will ever happen again but it happened so it shouldn't be discounted. It's the only reason he isn't running away with the Hart. From what I recall last time I checked the numbers, he had 96 points (36G, 59A), +17, 65-42 5 on 5 goal differential (~60%) in the 57 games outside of December.

So shrink the field to 10 players and he'll rank higher? Ya don't say.

The point is he doesn't have the best Corsi, the best xGF or the best GF- all claims asserted by the resident "stats guy". To answer your question, though, he's still behind Mackinnon, Panarin, Pastrnak and Marchand to differing degrees across each of those stats.

Draisaitl's goal share stats are hindered due to a string of HORRENDOUS luck and poor play from December when he had 3 EV strength point (and 11PPP) and was like -24. That's not a month that will ever happen again but it happened so it shouldn't be discounted. It's the only reason he isn't running away with the Hart. From what I recall last time I checked the numbers, he had 96 points (36G, 59A), +17, 65-42 5 on 5 goal differential (~60%) in the 57 games outside of December.
- MaximumBone

As you've requested, among his PEERS (900mins at 5-on-5 and above), he ranks as follows:

CF: 16th
GF: 17th
xGF: 9th
relGF: 11th
relxGF: 14th

Stats.
- MaximumBone

Owned and embarrassed. Time to retire tanner

I don't think he should win but Helle deserves some votes.

So shrink the field to 10 players and he'll rank higher? Ya don't say.

The point is he doesn't have the best Corsi, the best xGF or the best GF- all claims asserted by the resident "stats guy". To answer your question, though, he's still behind Mackinnon, Panarin, Pastrnak and Marchand to differing degrees across each of those stats.

Draisaitl's goal share stats are hindered due to a string of HORRENDOUS luck and poor play from December when he had 3 EV strength point (and 11PPP) and was like -24. That's not a month that will ever happen again but it happened so it shouldn't be discounted. It's the only reason he isn't running away with the Hart. From what I recall last time I checked the numbers, he had 96 points (36G, 59A), +17, 65-42 5 on 5 goal differential (~60%) in the 57 games outside of December.
- MaximumBone

Every player probably has a bad month, if you discount that then you must do the same thing with their best month. I’m not touting Matthews for the Hart but if only those 4 players have better stats then he’s in pretty good company.

You seem to get your hackles up over this discussion for some reason. In my opinion McDavid would win the Art Ross if he played as many games as Draisaitl. I don’t know how anyone could pick a teammate of McDavid for the Hart.

This reminds me of a few years ago when the writers jumped on the Hall bandwagon. It made for a good story but that’s about it.

Every player probably has a bad month, if you discount that then you must do the same thing with their best month. I’m not touting Matthews for the Hart but if only those 4 players have better stats then he’s in pretty good company.

You seem to get your hackles up over this discussion for some reason. In my opinion McDavid would win the Art Ross if he played as many games as Draisaitl. I don’t know how anyone could pick a teammate of McDavid for the Hart.

This reminds me of a few years ago when the writers jumped on the Hall bandwagon. It made for a good story but that’s about it.
- shack67

I stated earlier that my choice for the Hart is Mackinnon and I state in that comment you responded to that we shouldn't discount his bad month.

However, that bad of month is a freak occurence that would be difficult to replicate even under the worst of circumstances. I haven't checked this, but I would be surprised if any Red Wing even had such a poor stretch of games goal share wise. It should be at least noted when discussing his goal share that, in the other 4.5 months of play, he was the most productive force in the league.

As for your McDavid argument, I fail to see how this is me "getting my hackles up". I'm merely making a point regarding Draisaitl's case for the Hart. He has straight up been a more productive force than McDavid this year, especially since Jan 1st when the two were separated.

You're free to disagree, but present some evidence to support your perspective at the very least.

I stated earlier that my choice for the Hart is Mackinnon and I state in that comment you responded to that we shouldn't discount his bad month.

However, that bad of month is a freak occurence that would be difficult to replicate even under the worst of circumstances. I haven't checked this, but I would be surprised if any Red Wing even had such a poor stretch of games goal share wise. It should be at least noted when discussing his goal share that, in the other 4.5 months of play, he was the most productive force in the league.

As for your McDavid argument, I fail to see how this is me "getting my hackles up". I'm merely making a point regarding Draisaitl's case for the Hart. He has straight up been a more productive force than McDavid this year, especially since Jan 1st when the two were separated.

You're free to disagree, but present some evidence to support your perspective at the very least.
- MaximumBone

You get your hackles up over the mere mention of Matthews. Just like pretty much every Albertan who’s dislike of everything Toronto borders on the ridiculous.

You get your hackles up over the mere mention of Matthews. Just like pretty much every Albertan who’s dislike of everything Toronto borders on the ridiculous.
- shack67

I'm neither an Albertan nor have I reacted to a mention of Matthews before. You sure you have the right guy? Sounds like you're projecting your experience with others who dare question Matthews onto me.

If questioning Tanner's flaccid ability to utilize stats and offering evidence to counter makes me a Toronto hater, then you need thicker skin, lad.