Cause he is a complete pud,

As for the last line, I take Keith. Chelios never led the Hawks to squat and was never the most important player on any of the Cup winning teams he was on. Keith was for at least two and an argument can be made for all 3.

If it wsn't for my hatred of Lard Ass, Chelios would have made the list
- Elbows15

Chelios was just as good as Keith defensively, better offensively, and more physical.

Top 5
Martin
Makita
Savard
Roenick
Toews

Like you said. Hard to name five. There's at least a dozen others I could name. Even though Kravchuk was listed as a Russian I believe he was Lithuanian...though I don't disagree with the sentiment and really liked him in his time with the team.

Bottom 5
Karpovtsev
Behn Wilson
Boris Mironov
Mikhail Yakubov and Pvael Vorobiev (what a waste of the 10 and 11 picks)
Wendall Clark
- HawkintheD

Elbows will be up your ass

Most.
Overrated.
Hawk.
Ever.

And in my one personal interaction...a complete bumhole.
- Ogilthorpe2

Daze will give him a run for his money.

Daze?
- jhawk59

Nylander Daze J P Dumont

Daze will give him a run for his money.
- Chunk

Going with Henri Jokiharju MOE.

Going with Henri Jokiharju MOE.
- rpeters01

Wow. Still has potential to be a good one, but I like where you are going!

Why trade him for someone else to buy him out? The Hawks can just buy him out themselves?

I think the Caps did that with Alsner, IIRC
- Elbows15

The only reason to trade him is to resign him after the other team buys him out. I still think Seabs could help the team as a 6/7, but not for almost $7M a year.

The only reason to trade him is to resign him after the other team buys him out. I still think Seabs could help the team as a 6/7, but not for almost $7M a year.
- tvetter

Just adding an alternate perspective: if the NHL allows for a compliance buy out and Seabrook is bought out, it should be with the intent to not bring him back in a playing capacity.

Roll with Keith, Murphy, and hopefully a fully healed de Haan as the veteran leaders and anchors then fill out the blueline with the youngsters:

Keith - Boqvist
Carlsson - Murphy
de Haan - Mitchell

Consider Koekkoek as the 7th man or see if Beaudin impresses in training camp to make the roster. There's also Gilbert as a youth option.

If Beaudin makes it, rotate him with Carlsson or Gilbert so they get adequate rest and also learn from a different lens perched up high in the press box.

Or rotate de Haan in and out if needed to preserve his shoulder.

However, if neither Carlsson nor Beaudin is ready for full-time duty, then consider retaining Maatta as well as Koekkoek or a free agent to help eat minutes while the prospects continue to marinate.

I really dont see any reason with the present situations, that you start stirring anything but unity / loyalty.

I am simply not sure the entitle fan hysteria warrants saying StanBo gets canned, that JC isn't developing the future and keeping the vets engaged, or JC, (and upstair management's) assistant manager choices are where you want to concentrate because it only makes the case the wheels are falling off the bus and more ticket holders decide that if the bossRocky says the these employees were not moving things in that right direction, why should I pay for now tickets when now was muddles by them?

Like Nylander you let this play out as long as you can or when you are certain you have a hockey guy(s) who are far and away better that the guys now in place.

Don't give the entire organization no credit for every worded statement they make...they are smart enough to control the dynamic...

it is unfortunate that the Trib beat writer of two years deemed this as his controversial line in the sand.
- wiz1901

I just can't understand why anyone would read that guy.

Skip Bayless wannabe

The only reason to trade him is to resign him after the other team buys him out. I still think Seabs could help the team as a 6/7, but not for almost $7M a year.
- tvetter

Weren't you talking about keeping half the salary to trade him? Then when you sign him back you're almost to full salary again?

Any chance that instead of a buyout clause, they allow 1 contract to be rewritten? That would be the ideal situation for most teams.

Least Favourite:

Hrm ... 5 ...

I guess this might end up being in terms of effectiveness and should have known better type moves... no particular order (And doesn't mean that they weren't good players- but they weren't for Chicago ... usually huys past it...).

Paul Coffey
John Tonelli
Wendell Clark
Greg Smyth
That guy Q had to have from Minnesota
Honourable mentions:

Fleischmann and that other guy from Montreal that served no particular purpose ...

Nylander Daze J P Dumont
- wiz1901

Assume you mean the father, and not our current kid

Assume you mean the father, and not our current kid
- vabeachbear

The Hawks big line Dumont-Nllander-Daze that would come guns ablaze...until the opposition started pounding them with checks and the hawk lines tails would promptly end up under backsides and they d I s a p p e a r e d .... . . .

Just adding an alternate perspective: if the NHL allows for a compliance buy out and Seabrook is bought out, it should be with the intent to not bring him back in a playing capacity.
- AEL_Fox

Yeah, I think they would value Seabrook as they did Sahrp and so many others that were cogs in their Cup runs. Seabrook might be a good fit in the organzation, and as much as I want believe he could be convinced to go West and add leadership elsewhere as his skates into the sunset, I think he prefers staying in Lakewood-Wrigley area staying with family just North of The Pony...I just dont think the inconvenience to his wife, the burden of single parents while he gone as she goes through her daily routine of disciplining her pre and school agers and her monitoring her teen ager, so he doesn't get a place his Western Canadian girlfriend will want to move into, bypassing any chance of Kirby's bachelorhood...ha!


The more I watch small Cole Perfetti, I see he is REALLY good in the arts that enhance an NHL roster...I was one of the watchers who far before the Hawks dropped to slot number one in the 2007 entry draft, I watched and watched Kane, trying to punch holes in his "junior excellence" continually weighing whether he could translate the skill into the bigs.
I have been doing this with Perfetti.
The two Swedish kids really have cooled off in the current Swedish league play, Finn centrte Anton Lundell may just not be an NHl shooting centre because I know I haven't seen it yet, although he has the chops to as set-up play wing.
(I dont think any team is concerned whether they have to find a centre slot for Quinton Byfield, because like Dach, he plays and succeeds.)

With teams focusing at defenseman (which happened already the two drafts prior to Vegas expansion addition) who knows?
Perfetti may drop.
I don't think the German kid, centte-wing Tim Stützle drops far...he is just too fast a player and skater and thinker to teams to put on blinders about him.
And Austrian Marco Rossi -he's also highly thought of b/c he isn't some one dimension midget so he is off the board before the end of the top ten.

Favorite

1 - Keith
2 - Seabrook
3 - Savard
4 - Larmer
5 - Manson

Hate
1 - Karpotsev
2 - Daze
3 - Grosek
4 - Zelepukin
5 - Simon

1. Rundblad
2. Regin
3. Skille
4. Lalonde
5. Lehner
- DarthKane

4. You mean his draft rights don't you

Favorite

1 - Keith
2 - Seabrook
3 - Savard
4 - Larmer
5 - Manson

Hate
1 - Karpotsev
2 - Daze
3 - Grosek
4 - Zelepukin
5 - Simon
- SaskHawkFan

Grosek. He was awful. He was pretty good for the Sabres when they made it to the Finals with a bunch of mostly no names around Hasek.

He was putrid as Hawk. Think the Hawks traded Gilmour and JP Dumont for him IIRC.

Weren't you talking about keeping half the salary to trade him? Then when you sign him back you're almost to full salary again?
- rpeters01

That's why I asked if the retained salary would be gone when the other team buys him out. Rocky has plenty of money, but there's only so much room under the cap.

As long as ORD tower stays open for another 13 hours or so, I’ll be fine...until we go bankrupt anyway.
- Ogilthorpe2

Perhaps they wouldn’t be in danger of going bankrupt if (to be sure, like the rest of the listed companies) the airline companies hadn’t used over 90% of their free cash over the past 10 years buying back their own stock.

AA spent $12 billion on the program since 2010, UA put 96% of it’s free cash into its program, the airlines in total have spent $45 billion to buy back shares.

Isn’t that about what they’re looking for from the federal government?

(Numbers are from Bloomberg)

That's why I asked if the retained salary would be gone when the other team buys him out. Rocky has plenty of money, but there's only so much room under the cap.
- tvetter

From what I've seen before, they only buyout the part they took. I think Chicago continues to pay their half but I definitely don't know for sure.

Any chance that instead of a buyout clause, they allow 1 contract to be rewritten? That would be the ideal situation for most teams.
- powerenforcer

Wouldn't the player have to agree to that?

The more I watch small Cole Perfetti, I see he is REALLY good in the arts that enhance an NHL roster...I was one of the watchers who far before the Hawks dropped to slot number one in the 2007 entry draft, I watched and watched Kane, trying to punch holes in his "junior excellence" continually weighing whether he could translate the skill into the bigs.
I have been doing this with Perfetti.
The two Swedish kids really have cooled off in the current Swedish league play, Finn centrte Anton Lundell may just not be an NHl shooting centre because I know I haven't seen it yet, although he has the chops to as set-up play wing.
(I dont think any team is concerned whether they have to find a centre slot for Quinton Byfield, because like Dach, he plays and succeeds.)

With teams focusing at defenseman (which happened already the two drafts prior to Vegas expansion addition) who knows?
Perfetti may drop.
I don't think the German kid, centte-wing Tim Stützle drops far...he is just too fast a player and skater and thinker to teams to put on blinders about him.
And Austrian Marco Rossi -he's also highly thought of b/c he isn't some one dimension midget so he is off the board before the end of the top ten.
- wiz1901

Wiz, by this time all teams have reports on the Canadian, American and European prospects. Let's say the CHL and European leagues are over and will not resume. This means that prospects won't have the chance to move or down the rankings based on their play the remainder of the season or playoffs.

My questions are how often and to what degree in the past have prospects really jumped up or fallen in the rankings based on their play this late into the season? Or have the prospect rankings pretty much stayed the same throughout the season? With a shortened "window" to scout prospects, are NHL teams going to be less confident of their selections?

From what I've seen before, they only buyout the part they took. I think Chicago continues to pay their half but I definitely don't know for sure.
- rpeters01

Ok. That answers my question. Thanks.

In that case, I hope we buy him out and sign him as a coach. Unfortunately, I think that he still wants to play, especially after the 3 surgeries.

Wiz, by this time all teams have reports on the Canadian, American and European prospects. Let's say the CHL and European leagues are over and will not resume. This means that prospects won't have the chance to move or down the rankings based on their play the remainder of the season or playoffs.

My questions are how often and to what degree in the past have prospects really jumped up or fallen in the rankings based on their play this late into the season? Or have the prospect rankings pretty much stayed the same throughout the season? With a shortened "window" to scout prospects, are NHL teams going to be less confident of their selections?
- boilermaker100

Exactly what you said is why I am where I am in the process....there is no junior playoff had to head to watch...so basically you will. not have all that second guessing, reordering, and overthinking on the kids and what you thought they were before it shut down.
If this was last year, all the draft punditswoulds have had Dach as a top three pick, but the scouting community widened their eyes looking for the buried treasure gem with upside and the March/April performances help raise many players' high upsides.

So yes, we will see teams who did good homework over the last couple years having opinions they will hold firm. So I would say, good scouting staffs will have less flipping and flopping in their projection.

We all know there is no exact science...if I get enough done, I was thinking about writing a huge article based on reviewing all the past decades pre draft scouting projections. all the nhl teams rankings for the hockey news of their owned prospects (of course there is PR involved, and the FUTURE WATCH published in the past...my head has been stuck on wanting to do this as I remember how Marion Hossa was listed by Ottawa as afterthought, maybe 5th in their prospects pool by their organization pr...

Look at last years draft class and we all know there were a whole lot of likable kids and now is the Tim thy have to put all the pieces together over the next 3-5 seasons, even though we as fans think that the pay off should be sooner...and many of those dominant junior level guys will not work to hone their upside, or can't reach the higher levels due to all these forces...that is why the drafts always have later selections excelling and guys undrafted, and get better, figure it out and are "surprising." (do I try and throw Mark Giordano and Dominck Kubalik in the same sentence, here?)