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Shuswap Wap
Location: BC
Joined: 02.07.2018

Mar 16 @ 2:49 PM ET
It is predicted the loss of Revenue would be 380 mil if the season is over. I think this one time situation to allow owners to try and recoup some revenues would be fitting.

NHL players are still getting paid and now it seems AHL players will be paid in full also.

I don't have a problem with 24 teams for one year.

- VANTEL

I think it would be a tainted win. That said I am sure even Leaf fans would take it if given a choice vs. no cup at all.
YeOldTimer
Vancouver Canucks
Location: BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Mar 16 @ 2:49 PM ET
Just a thought for discussion......if there is some sort of weird playoff format enabled and the Canucks go on a run and win it all, would it be tainted with an **, or would the masses here be content with a so-called " championship"?
- Shuswap Wap


Tainted? I think whatever they come up with should be considered every bit as legitimate as when there were only 6 teams and it took only 8 wins to capture the trophy.
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Mar 16 @ 2:50 PM ET
I read this morning of a 24 team playoffs where you play your way in, total BS. They should go off percentages.
- LeftCoaster


I hope they'd do both in that scenario. Base it off percentages, then have the lowest teams play a best of 1 or 2, then work their way up...

So...

9 plays 12 best of 1 or 2 or 3
10 play 11 best of 1 or 2 or 3

Winner of 9/12 plays 7 best of 3 or 5
Winner of 10/11 plays 8 best of 3 or 5

Now you have 1 through 6 as your divisional seeds, and they seed out as normal versus whichever team makes it through the gauntlet as wildcards. Probably start with best of 5 then move to 7s.
DariusKnight
Vancouver Canucks
Location: "The Alien has landed in Vancouver!"
Joined: 03.09.2006

Mar 16 @ 2:51 PM ET
It is predicted the loss of Revenue would be 380 mil if the season is over. I think this one time situation to allow owners to try and recoup some revenues would be fitting.

NHL players are still getting paid and now it seems AHL players will be paid in full also.

I don't have a problem with 24 teams for one year.

- VANTEL


I prefer having the 2 WC teams play the next 2 teams in a best of three to determine who gets the WC spots then have a 3-5-5-7 SC playoff.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Mar 16 @ 2:52 PM ET
I think it would be a tainted win. That said I am sure even Leaf fans would take it if given a choice vs. no cup at all.
- Shuswap Wap



I think even not playing the rest of the season it is a tainted year. Tainted cups are still cups
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Mar 16 @ 2:53 PM ET
I prefer having the 2 WC teams play the next 2 teams in a best of three to determine who gets the WC spots then have a 3-5-5-7 SC playoff.
- DariusKnight


It won't matter what we think . Bettman will try to get revenues into owners pockets
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

Mar 16 @ 2:55 PM ET
Oh I think it'll drop, but not significantly as the season was almost done with only a month left. Wishful thinking is all I'm saying. But it'd be nice for our poor management team and stupid owner
- LeftCoaster

we can only guess right now but i think it'll drop $3-5m. that's not a lot but i think the league will allow 1 compliance buyout.

that will allow teams to re-adjust to the cap AND i'm going to (guess) say that it's a way to artificially decrease the UFA market/contracts. lower cap plus an increase in supply (with the buyouts) will bring UFA salaries down. that could be a selling point by GMs/owners to bettman.

just conjecture on my part.
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Mar 16 @ 2:56 PM ET
It won't matter what we think . Bettman will try to get revenues into owners pockets
- VANTEL

That's his job. The players won't be happy as they'll be hit with a "claw-back" from the escrow fund.
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

Mar 16 @ 2:57 PM ET
It is predicted the loss of Revenue would be 380 mil if the season is over. I think this one time situation to allow owners to try and recoup some revenues would be fitting.

NHL players are still getting paid and now it seems AHL players will be paid in full also.

I don't have a problem with 24 teams for one year.

- VANTEL

that's the easiest way to try to recoup as much revenue as possible which makes it the most likely imo.
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Mar 16 @ 2:57 PM ET
we can only guess right now but i think it'll drop $3-5m. that's not a lot but i think the league will allow 1 compliance buyout.

that will allow teams to re-adjust to the cap AND i'm going to (guess) say that it's a way to artificially decrease the UFA market/contracts. lower cap plus an increase in supply (with the buyouts) will bring UFA salaries down. that could be a selling point by GMs/owners to bettman.

just conjecture on my part.

- RealityChecker

One would be a God-send for bonehead Benning

VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Mar 16 @ 2:59 PM ET
That's his job. The players won't be happy as they'll be hit with a "claw-back" from the escrow fund.
- LeftCoaster



Truthfully I don't care if they are happy or not. These are not normal times.
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

Mar 16 @ 3:01 PM ET
One would be a God-send for bonehead Benning


- LeftCoaster

if it's one, then it's obvious who it's going to be. what's troubling (even more) is that if you remove LE from the equation, we'd have a choice between 2 or 3 others.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Mar 16 @ 3:01 PM ET
One would be a God-send for bonehead Benning


- LeftCoaster



We can buy out Loui so Benning can sign him to a respectable contract. Maybe 2x2
NuckUp
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cap Busters
Joined: 07.01.2019

Mar 16 @ 3:04 PM ET
Unless reinstated Amnesty or Compliance buyouts don't exist, they were only following work stoppages.
- LeftCoaster


That's the point...work has stopped so ... could be reinstated given effect on cap.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Mar 16 @ 3:05 PM ET
They don't exist so why are we discussing a compliance buyout when they don't exist? There's normal buyouts and that's it.
- LeftCoaster


It's the what if game. You are only allowed to play it if it benefits the Canucks.
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Mar 16 @ 3:10 PM ET
if it's one, then it's obvious who it's going to be. what's troubling (even more) is that if you remove LE from the equation, we'd have a choice between 2 or 3 others.
- RealityChecker

I know
Shuswap Wap
Location: BC
Joined: 02.07.2018

Mar 16 @ 3:12 PM ET
Tainted? I think whatever they come up with should be considered every bit as legitimate as when there were only 6 teams and it took only 8 wins to capture the trophy.
- YeOldTimer

Good point.
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Mar 16 @ 3:12 PM ET
It's the what if game. You are only allowed to play it if it benefits the Canucks.
- 1970vintage

As an engineer the only time we play “what if” is in HAZOP’s, then we try to mitigate any risks to their lowest possible level.
NuckUp
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cap Busters
Joined: 07.01.2019

Mar 16 @ 3:14 PM ET
Oh I think it'll drop, but not significantly as the season was almost done with only a month left. Wishful thinking is all I'm saying. But it'd be nice for our poor management team and stupid owner
- LeftCoaster


Its not only the drop from the present cap to factor but also the loss of the gain. In its aggregate it could be a 6/7 million dollar hit on planned cap for next season. That's why compliance buyouts could be introduced.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Mar 16 @ 3:17 PM ET
As an engineer the only time we play “what if” is in HAZOP’s, then we try to mitigate any risks to their lowest possible level.
- LeftCoaster


Just saying, there is a group of fans who were critical of those suggesting how detrimental it would be to the team "if" Canucks missed the playoffs, and missed again next year, which I don't think is an unreasonable scenario. Now those same people are saying what "if" here are compliance buy outs allowed...
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Mar 16 @ 3:18 PM ET
Just saying, there is a group of fans who were critical of those suggesting how detrimental it would be to the team "if" Canucks missed the playoffs, and missed again next year, which I don't think is an unreasonable scenario. Now those same people are saying what "if" here are compliance buy outs allowed...
- 1970vintage

When you’re so used to being down and out you introduce faith into your coping mechanism’s.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Mar 16 @ 3:19 PM ET
Its not only the drop from the present cao to factor but also the loss of the gain. In its aggregate it could be a 6/7 million dollar hit on planned cap for next season. That's why compliance buyouts could be introduced.
- NuckUp


The lesson here should be "don't be stupid", not "here's a get out of stupid free card"
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

Mar 16 @ 3:19 PM ET
As an engineer the only time we play “what if” is in HAZOP’s, then we try to mitigate any risks to their lowest possible level.
- LeftCoaster

there's 1 easy way to mitigate the risks of the current gm signing more bad contracts.
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Mar 16 @ 3:20 PM ET
there's 1 easy way to mitigate the risks of the current gm signing more bad contracts.
- RealityChecker

VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Mar 16 @ 3:23 PM ET
As an engineer the only time we play “what if” is in HAZOP’s, then we try to mitigate any risks to their lowest possible level.
- LeftCoaster



The NHL doesn't have to do anything . They could freeze it at last years cap. Free agents who were hoping to find the jackpot will be reduced significantly and less term would also be wanted by them.

They could sign elsewhere for more but the teams with high cap space will fill up . Lots of teams will be trying to move players to free up extra cap space .

Until we get the exact numbers there will be a lot of what ifs.
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